(02-04-2014 10:05 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 11:43 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  They'll take Johnny and ride the fans for cash and Texas themed excitement.

They'll take Teddy and have the QB they need.

They'll take Clowney and have a sick D-line while stroking McNair's USC love.

Got a feeling they are going to take Manziel for the Texas Love...but make no mistake Mack going in the Top 8

Mack will definitely go early, but at this point, I'm not ready to say whether he will get drafted in the top 5, top 10 or top 20. A lot can happen in the next three months.

As far as who the Texans will draft, assuming they stay in the #1 overall slot, it makes sense to take a quarterback. Teams rarely get to be in the position to take any player available to them, so when the opportunity to get a franchise player arises, you don't risk the pick on role players. I am not as enamored with the highest rated quarterbacks as others are, but IMHO the choice will come down to who the Texans feel is a championship quarterback. I can see them taking any of the four top rated guys -- Bridgewater, Bortles, Manziel or Carr -- but I think they will ultimately come down to a choice between Bridgewater and Bortles and I won't be shocked if Bortles ends up being the pick.

If I were the Texans GM and making this pick, Manziel would not be in the equation.

I'd have to take a strong look at Manziel. He'd be a cash cow of epic proportions.

But will be get along with Bill?

Clowney would be a great pick but they already have a great D-line.

(02-04-2014 11:05 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I'd have to take a strong look at Manziel. He'd be a cash cow of epic proportions.

But will be get along with Bill?

Clowney would be a great pick but they already have a great D-line.

He is a flop waiting to happen. His game wont translate to the next level.

Will he be a serviceable QB in the NFL? Quite possible but do you want to waste the #1 pick on an average QB?

Especially when you have glaring holes elsewhere that need to be addressed. Their problems start with the O-Line pass to the linebacker corps carry on to the d-line (to go with Watt) and then and only then does it land on QB.

(02-04-2014 11:15 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(02-04-2014 11:05 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I'd have to take a strong look at Manziel. He'd be a cash cow of epic proportions.

But will be get along with Bill?

Clowney would be a great pick but they already have a great D-line.

He is a flop waiting to happen. His game wont translate to the next level.

Will he be a serviceable QB in the NFL? Quite possible but do you want to waste the #1 pick on an average QB?

Especially when you have glaring holes elsewhere that need to be addressed. Their problems start with the O-Line pass to the linebacker corps carry on to the d-line (to go with Watt) and then and only then does it land on QB.

If they had a QB this season they would have been competitive.

They need a QB desperately.

Just saying, when the face of your organization, Watt, is a defensive linemen it shows that you literally have nothing of worth on the offensive side of the ball.

There is a good chance the Texans trade down. Supposedly Cleveland is interested in Manziel and would trade the Texans 2 first round picks (#4 and #21 I think) for the #1 overall pick. The Texans could still get a good QB prospect along with another quality round one selection likely capable of starting. That would give the Texans 3 of the first 33 picks.

(02-04-2014 11:22 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  There is a good chance the Texans trade down. Supposedly Cleveland is interested in Manziel and would trade the Texans 2 first round picks (#4 and #21 I think) for the #1 overall pick. The Texans could still get a good QB prospect along with another quality round one selection likely capable of starting. That would give the Texans 3 of the first 33 picks.

That would be solid.

The thing is this is a QB's league and the Texans need an elite one.

(02-04-2014 11:17 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  If they had a QB this season they would have been competitive.

They need a QB desperately.

Just saying, when the face of your organization, Watt, is a defensive linemen it shows that you literally have nothing of worth on the offensive side of the ball.

Incorrect. If they had any protection they would have been competitive.

Why was Schaub so bad? Because they dropped 2 pro-bowl o-lineman for salary cap purposes in the past few years.

Lack of protection caught up to Matt. He is not a very good QB but given time he can be serviceable. That and (I know this comes off as a homer) when Case got a smidge of protection he showed what he can do. Go look at Johnsons numbers with Matt versus with Case.

I concede that the Texans will draft a QB in this draft but wasting the 1st pick on one with this line is a joke.

There are better QB's than Case (Matt is gone either way) coming into this draft but they won't be able to develop with this sieve of a line.

I know Watt plays dline. My point was take a tackle. Take Clowney (to pair with Watt). Take a LB to solve depth problems and Cushing health issues (by trading down), and only then think about taking a QB #1.

Defense wins championship and O-Lines make or break a QB. The problem is we have issues with both so a QB should not be the focus.

(02-04-2014 11:28 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(02-04-2014 11:17 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  If they had a QB this season they would have been competitive.

They need a QB desperately.

Just saying, when the face of your organization, Watt, is a defensive linemen it shows that you literally have nothing of worth on the offensive side of the ball.

Incorrect. If they had any protection they would have been competitive.

Why was Schaub so bad? Because they dropped 2 pro-bowl o-lineman for salary cap purposes in the past few years.

Lack of protection caught up to Matt. He is not a very good QB but given time he can be serviceable. That and (I know this comes off as a homer) when Case got a smidge of protection he showed what he can do. Go look at Johnsons numbers with Matt versus with Case.

I concede that the Texans will draft a QB in this draft but wasting the 1st pick on one with this line is a joke.

There are better QB's than Case (Matt is gone either way) coming into this draft but they won't be able to develop with this sieve of a line.

I know Watt plays dline. My point was take a tackle. Take Clowney (to pair with Watt). Take a LB to solve depth problems and Cushing health issues (by trading down), and only then think about taking a QB #1.

Defense wins championship and O-Lines make or break a QB. The problem is we have issues with both so a QB should not be the focus.

No.

The O-line wasn't great but Schaub was even worse.

Check out the video of his picks and you'll see it.

(02-04-2014 11:32 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  No.

The O-line wasn't great but Schaub was even worse.

Check out the video of his picks and you'll see it.

That’s my point. The O-Line was terrible. When the line was stronger is previous years Matt was ok (not great and some perverse aversion to passing to AJ).

The line was the problem that just exposed Schaubs shortcomings.

Case is under contract this year and you can either choose to draft a QB in the 3-4 rounds to compete with him. Or throw Case to the wolves and if he succeeds you have your QB if not then you draft one next year when you have solved the O-Line problems.

(02-04-2014 11:38 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(02-04-2014 11:32 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  No.

The O-line wasn't great but Schaub was even worse.

Check out the video of his picks and you'll see it.

That’s my point. The O-Line was terrible. When the line was stronger is previous years Matt was ok (not great and some perverse aversion to passing to AJ).

The line was the problem that just exposed Schaubs shortcomings.

Case is under contract this year and you can either choose to draft a QB in the 3-4 rounds to compete with him. Or throw Case to the wolves and if he succeeds you have your QB if not then you draft one next year when you have solved the O-Line problems.

I think Case showed he was only a marginal improvement.

I'll place money on them taking Johnny and riding the excitement that will bring. It's a good business move even if it isn't the best move from a players standpoint.

(02-04-2014 11:42 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I think Case showed he was only a marginal improvement.

I'll place money on them taking Johnny and riding the excitement that will bring. It's a good business move even if it isn't the best move from a players standpoint.

See that is thinking like a fan and not like a businessman (which is what this all is to them).

Yes, I am a Case fan and think given the chance (not looking over your shoulder at the coach to yank you or the oline who can't protect you) he will succeed.

That said I concede that a QB will be drafted and just as likely outplay Case and take the job.

My point is the smart business move is to address the O-Line 1st.

QB's like Johnny Football are all sizzle and no steak. Yes, he would make a splash here, sell jerseys, fire up the fanbase. But all in the short term you need to think 4,5,6 years down the road not just 2014.

Look no further than Vince Young for what an all sizzle no steak QB will get you. The guy can't buy a job these days, and people wanted us to draft him back in the day.

(02-04-2014 11:48 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(02-04-2014 11:42 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I think Case showed he was only a marginal improvement.

I'll place money on them taking Johnny and riding the excitement that will bring. It's a good business move even if it isn't the best move from a players standpoint.

See that is thinking like a fan and not like a businessman (which is what this all is to them).

Yes, I am a Case fan and think given the chance (not looking over your shoulder at the coach to yank you or the oline who can't protect you) he will succeed.

That said I concede that a QB will be drafted and just as likely outplay Case and take the job.

My point is the smart business move is to address the O-Line 1st.

QB's like Johnny Football are all sizzle and no steak. Yes, he would make a splash here, sell jerseys, fire up the fanbase. But all in the short term you need to think 4,5,6 years down the road not just 2014.

Look no further than Vince Young for what an all sizzle no steak QB will get you. The guy can't buy a job these days, and people wanted us to draft him back in the day.

Case can't hack it. He's at best average, he isn't in CUSA anymore.

Your argument would hold water if there wasn't a draft every year.

Take Johnny, ride the wave of profit, like a good businessman, and draft another kid next year, or the year after that, or even the year after that, or, and I know this is crazy, the year after that.

A Heisman winning QB from just down the road only comes around every so often.

(02-04-2014 11:52 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(02-04-2014 11:48 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(02-04-2014 11:42 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I think Case showed he was only a marginal improvement.

I'll place money on them taking Johnny and riding the excitement that will bring. It's a good business move even if it isn't the best move from a players standpoint.

See that is thinking like a fan and not like a businessman (which is what this all is to them).

Yes, I am a Case fan and think given the chance (not looking over your shoulder at the coach to yank you or the oline who can't protect you) he will succeed.

That said I concede that a QB will be drafted and just as likely outplay Case and take the job.

My point is the smart business move is to address the O-Line 1st.

QB's like Johnny Football are all sizzle and no steak. Yes, he would make a splash here, sell jerseys, fire up the fanbase. But all in the short term you need to think 4,5,6 years down the road not just 2014.

Look no further than Vince Young for what an all sizzle no steak QB will get you. The guy can't buy a job these days, and people wanted us to draft him back in the day.

Case can't hack it. He's at best average, he isn't in CUSA anymore.

Your argument would hold water if there wasn't a draft every year.

Take Johnny, ride the wave of profit, like a good businessman, and draft another kid next year, or the year after that, or even the year after that, or, and I know this is crazy, the year after that.

A Heisman winning QB from just down the road only comes around every so often.

Agree with you here. It's also why I think the Jags should have picked up Tebow right away. The re-energized fan-base alone would have filled the seats and brought in very good money (for at least the initial wave).

(02-04-2014 09:02 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(02-04-2014 12:42 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  it is a shame that MAC students stay home, go to bars and watch Big 10 games as opposed to going to games.

Can you blame them? Who would pass up Beat the Clock in Oxford to go watch a winless team play?

Though part of the reason for the fall of Miami football is what recruit wants to go play in front of that lousy fanbase.

(02-04-2014 11:52 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Case can't hack it. He's at best average, he isn't in CUSA anymore.

Your argument would hold water if there wasn't a draft every year.

Take Johnny, ride the wave of profit, like a good businessman, and draft another kid next year, or the year after that, or even the year after that, or, and I know this is crazy, the year after that.

A Heisman winning QB from just down the road only comes around every so often.

Good Lord get of Case's back. I like him but for the 1,000,000th time the Texans will draft a QB and he will likely beat out Case.

In your world they draft a QB every year and suck every year? Yeah that makes financial sense.

Draft a QB in the 3-4 round after you take a tackle #1 if we suck then you take a QB with your #1 pick next year to play behind an improved line.

That was all I was saying but you seem to have had a great big gulp of Johnny football Kool-Aid.

Who cares if he won the Heisman? Let’s see the jury is still out on RGIII and Cam Newton but go down the line and tell me the last one (QB Heisman) that was a success at the NFL level? RGIII has shown he can do it and Cam has made it to the playoffs but they are the exception rather than the rule.

Do you recall names like..... Sam Bradford (there is hope but it is fading fast), Tim Tebow, Troy Smith, Matt Leinart, Jason White, Carson Palmer (serviceable but short of a few flashes that is it), Eric Crouch, Chris Weinke, Danny Wuerffel, Gino Torretta, Ty Detmer, all the way back (and I will stop here) to my beloved Coog Andre Ware.

The Heisman is a collegiate award and has no bearing on if a player will be successful at the next level.

(02-04-2014 12:10 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(02-04-2014 11:52 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Case can't hack it. He's at best average, he isn't in CUSA anymore.

Your argument would hold water if there wasn't a draft every year.

Take Johnny, ride the wave of profit, like a good businessman, and draft another kid next year, or the year after that, or even the year after that, or, and I know this is crazy, the year after that.

A Heisman winning QB from just down the road only comes around every so often.

Good Lord get of Case's back. I like him but for the 1,000,000th time the Texans will draft a QB and he will likely beat out Case.

In your world they draft a QB every year and suck every year? Yeah that makes financial sense.

Draft a QB in the 3-4 round after you take a tackle #1 if we suck then you take a QB with your #1 pick next year to play behind an improved line.

That was all I was saying but you seem to have had a great big gulp of Johnny football Kool-Aid.

Who cares if he won the Heisman? Let’s see the jury is still out on RGIII and Cam Newton but go down the line and tell me the last one (QB Heisman) that was a success at the NFL level? RGIII has shown he can do it and Cam has made it to the playoffs but they are the exception rather than the rule.

Do you recall names like..... Sam Bradford (there is hope but it is fading fast), Tim Tebow, Troy Smith, Matt Leinart, Jason White, Carson Palmer (serviceable but short of a few flashes that is it), Eric Crouch, Chris Weinke, Danny Wuerffel, Gino Torretta, Ty Detmer, all the way back (and I will stop here) to my beloved Coog Andre Ware.

The Heisman is a collegiate award and has no bearing on if a player will be successful at the next level.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$

It's all about the Benjamins bro.

Hell, if they win 4 games next year there will still be a buzz. It's Houston.