(02-03-2014 04:14 PM)Tanyaskees Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 02:18 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 02:02 PM)transitt Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 01:58 PM)450bench Wrote:  I appreciate Black Man's take. I also think some of those takes are right on. No sweet 16 this year, look out. No sweet 16 next year, it's over. And if you guys think his buyout wasn't approved by the the money guys who are actually gonna pay it, well, you're sadly mistaken.

Again, your opinion is appreciated Black Man. It's an emotionally charged time in Tiger fandom land.

You're generally reasonable. However, there's a group on here who I GUARANTEE that if we get to the Sweet 16 and lose will call for Pastner's head for not making the elite eight.

WE ARE RANKED AND WINNING AND SOME ACT LIKE THIS SEASON HAS BEEN A FAILURE! We finished last season ranked! We've been ranked all season this season! My God, we're having a good season and all some do is ***** and want Pastner fired!

As with most things in life, the truth is somewhere in the middle of two extremes.

I don't want to "cut bait" and I'm sure a lot of tiger fans feel the same way but the way regressed defensively at SMU is disheartening.

Of particular concern is a point that CBM and others have brought up - that players don't respect pastner. I remember coverage of a specific practice a few years ago where the players were calling pastner "the corniest coach in America" to his face.

And when we read that the players were clowning around and joking after being spanked in Dallas, that shows an intensity and attitude problem.

I just hope the tigers from ok state round 2 show up in the matchups we have remaining in the regular season - we're in a spot now where we've put a lot of pressure on ourselves to win those games.

Do you remember the players crying in the locker room after a loss? What happened? They got bashed here for crying in the locker room after a loss. Now they are goofing off too much after a loss? Can they do anything right? Apparently not.

I never said anything about them crying in the locker room after that loss.

They can do the Charleston at mid-court after the game for all I care if they put forth a decent defensive effort.

The Roger Dorn "oley" defense isn't going to cut it.

Mentally, we seem to be regressing as a team, at least defensively. That's disconcerting at this point in the season and it does not give one high hopes that it will change if the team is screwing around after an embarrassing loss.

(02-03-2014 03:16 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 03:12 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 02:50 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 02:46 PM)transitt Wrote:  No one is content to simply be ranked but the program has moved forward and improved each season. Pastner is having a successful season and doing well in the AAC. If you don't see that you simply don't want to.

Firing Josh right now would be dumb beyond words. It would potentially damage the program in a big way!!!

Do you think the players respect josh? Are they executing his plan in games like SMU?

Posts like this are dumb. No we didn't (rolls eyes) execute the gameplan against SMU. We also didn't execute it a few other times. I am sure that we won't execute it again before the end of the season.

I went to a basketball camp at Syracuse in 1985 and me and 100 other campers had the pleasure of witnessing Dwayne "The Pearl" Washington curse Jim Boeheim up and down at the top of his lungs. There are a million stories about Cal's players threatening to, or almost taking a swing at him while he was here.

1) Call the question dumb
2) dodge the question
3) go off into an unrelated personal anecdote

You may have a career in politics yet.

Players didn't execute the game plan every game in Cal or Finch's tenure either.

(02-03-2014 04:21 PM)Collegiate Black Man Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 01:58 PM)450bench Wrote:  Do you remember the players crying in the locker room after a loss? What happened? They got bashed here for crying in the locker room after a loss. Now they are goofing off too much after a loss? Can they do anything right? Apparently not.

When were the players bashed for crying after a loss? One of the most enduring images I had growing up was seeing Penny crying in Coach Finch's arms after that debacle against Cinncinati in the Elite 8 his last year. Shows all heart. I would never bash a player for crying after a loss.

HERE you go.

(02-03-2014 04:37 PM)transitt Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 03:16 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 03:12 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 02:50 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 02:46 PM)transitt Wrote:  No one is content to simply be ranked but the program has moved forward and improved each season. Pastner is having a successful season and doing well in the AAC. If you don't see that you simply don't want to.

Firing Josh right now would be dumb beyond words. It would potentially damage the program in a big way!!!

Do you think the players respect josh? Are they executing his plan in games like SMU?

Posts like this are dumb. No we didn't (rolls eyes) execute the gameplan against SMU. We also didn't execute it a few other times. I am sure that we won't execute it again before the end of the season.

I went to a basketball camp at Syracuse in 1985 and me and 100 other campers had the pleasure of witnessing Dwayne "The Pearl" Washington curse Jim Boeheim up and down at the top of his lungs. There are a million stories about Cal's players threatening to, or almost taking a swing at him while he was here.

1) Call the question dumb
2) dodge the question
3) go off into an unrelated personal anecdote

You may have a career in politics yet.

Players didn't execute the game plan every game in Cal or Finch's tenure either.

That wasn't the primary question. Do you think the players respect Josh?

(02-03-2014 04:38 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 04:37 PM)transitt Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 03:16 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 03:12 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 02:50 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  Do you think the players respect josh? Are they executing his plan in games like SMU?

Posts like this are dumb. No we didn't (rolls eyes) execute the gameplan against SMU. We also didn't execute it a few other times. I am sure that we won't execute it again before the end of the season.

I went to a basketball camp at Syracuse in 1985 and me and 100 other campers had the pleasure of witnessing Dwayne "The Pearl" Washington curse Jim Boeheim up and down at the top of his lungs. There are a million stories about Cal's players threatening to, or almost taking a swing at him while he was here.

1) Call the question dumb
2) dodge the question
3) go off into an unrelated personal anecdote

You may have a career in politics yet.

Players didn't execute the game plan every game in Cal or Finch's tenure either.

That wasn't the primary question. Do you think the players respect Josh?

The ones to whom I've spoken (Geron, Shaq, Joe) respect the hell out of him. DJ loves him like a father. So yeah, they respect Josh. Funny that you hold Pastner to one standard while not holding Cal to the same standard. There were, in fact, players who cussed Cal like a dog and threatened to punch him. There were players threatened to transfer after every season.

Henderson and Garner both talked about transferring while they played for Finch. Did they not respect Finch?

To quote Jim Mora, "You THINK you know.....but you don't know...and ever will."

(02-03-2014 04:00 PM)Tigerbluesky Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 03:40 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 03:38 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 03:36 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 03:21 PM)Stammers Wrote:  I know you must get tired of it coming from all different angles. Try and say smarter stuff next time.

Lame insults and still dodging the question (that I asked another poster).

I must have hit a nerve.

I obviously did. I'm not surprised.

Nah. You're small potatoes.

Hyman Roth, is that you? Just kidding but it certainly seems like you hit a nerve.

I'm ready for a Godfather and Godfather II marathon. Hyman Roth woulda made a good ambassador.

(02-03-2014 04:42 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 04:00 PM)Tigerbluesky Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 03:40 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 03:38 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 03:36 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  Lame insults and still dodging the question (that I asked another poster).

I must have hit a nerve.

I obviously did. I'm not surprised.

Nah. You're small potatoes.

Hyman Roth, is that you? Just kidding but it certainly seems like you hit a nerve.

I'm ready for a Godfather and Godfather II marathon. Hyman Roth woulda made a good ambassador.

They had one on AMC a few weekends ago. Excellent!

(02-03-2014 04:42 PM)transitt Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 04:38 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 04:37 PM)transitt Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 03:16 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 03:12 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Posts like this are dumb. No we didn't (rolls eyes) execute the gameplan against SMU. We also didn't execute it a few other times. I am sure that we won't execute it again before the end of the season.

I went to a basketball camp at Syracuse in 1985 and me and 100 other campers had the pleasure of witnessing Dwayne "The Pearl" Washington curse Jim Boeheim up and down at the top of his lungs. There are a million stories about Cal's players threatening to, or almost taking a swing at him while he was here.

1) Call the question dumb
2) dodge the question
3) go off into an unrelated personal anecdote

You may have a career in politics yet.

Players didn't execute the game plan every game in Cal or Finch's tenure either.

That wasn't the primary question. Do you think the players respect Josh?

The ones to whom I've spoken (Geron, Shaq, Joe) respect the hell out of him. DJ loves him like a father. So yeah, they respect Josh. Funny that you hold Pastner to one standard while not holding Cal to the same standard. There were, in fact, players who cussed Cal like a dog and threatened to punch him. There were players threatened to transfer after every season.

Henderson and Garner both talked about transferring while they played for Finch. Did they not respect Finch?

To quote Jim Mora, "You THINK you know.....but you don't know...and ever will."

I never brought up Cal once. As a matter of fact, I don't think I've mentioned Cal since right after he left for KY. So you telling me I hold him to a different standard is as irrelevant as your quote and the points that you're desperately trying to make by bringing up past coaches.

All I wanted to know was your opinion and you couldn't give it with bringing up some imaginary perceived slight against Pastner and getting defensive on his behalf.

At least you answered the question though, stammers couldn't even bring himself to do that.

(02-03-2014 04:55 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 04:42 PM)transitt Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 04:38 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 04:37 PM)transitt Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 03:16 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  1) Call the question dumb
2) dodge the question
3) go off into an unrelated personal anecdote

You may have a career in politics yet.

Players didn't execute the game plan every game in Cal or Finch's tenure either.

That wasn't the primary question. Do you think the players respect Josh?

The ones to whom I've spoken (Geron, Shaq, Joe) respect the hell out of him. DJ loves him like a father. So yeah, they respect Josh. Funny that you hold Pastner to one standard while not holding Cal to the same standard. There were, in fact, players who cussed Cal like a dog and threatened to punch him. There were players threatened to transfer after every season.

Henderson and Garner both talked about transferring while they played for Finch. Did they not respect Finch?

To quote Jim Mora, "You THINK you know.....but you don't know...and ever will."

I never brought up Cal once. As a matter of fact, I don't think I've mentioned Cal since right after he left for KY. So you telling me I hold him to a different standard is as irrelevant as your quote and the points that you're desperately trying to make by bringing up past coaches.

All I wanted to know was your opinion and you couldn't give it with bringing up some imaginary perceived slight against Pastner and getting defensive on his behalf.

There was no PERCIEVED slight. You stated your opinion pretty clearly in this and other threads.

(02-03-2014 04:57 PM)transitt Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 04:55 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 04:42 PM)transitt Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 04:38 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 04:37 PM)transitt Wrote:  Players didn't execute the game plan every game in Cal or Finch's tenure either.

That wasn't the primary question. Do you think the players respect Josh?

The ones to whom I've spoken (Geron, Shaq, Joe) respect the hell out of him. DJ loves him like a father. So yeah, they respect Josh. Funny that you hold Pastner to one standard while not holding Cal to the same standard. There were, in fact, players who cussed Cal like a dog and threatened to punch him. There were players threatened to transfer after every season.

Henderson and Garner both talked about transferring while they played for Finch. Did they not respect Finch?

To quote Jim Mora, "You THINK you know.....but you don't know...and ever will."

I never brought up Cal once. As a matter of fact, I don't think I've mentioned Cal since right after he left for KY. So you telling me I hold him to a different standard is as irrelevant as your quote and the points that you're desperately trying to make by bringing up past coaches.

All I wanted to know was your opinion and you couldn't give it with bringing up some imaginary perceived slight against Pastner and getting defensive on his behalf.

At least you answered the question though, stammers couldn't even bring himself to do that.

There was no PERCIEVED slight. You stated your opinion pretty clearly in this and other threads.

You mean the opinion that I want pastner to succeed?

It's fascinating that you see me stating this - (or any opinion for that matter) and asking if you think players respect Pastner as a slight on the man worth your time in defending.

I'm starting to wonder if some of you take out a rug and pray towards glen dale, WV twice a day.

(02-03-2014 05:10 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 04:57 PM)transitt Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 04:55 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 04:42 PM)transitt Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 04:38 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  That wasn't the primary question. Do you think the players respect Josh?

The ones to whom I've spoken (Geron, Shaq, Joe) respect the hell out of him. DJ loves him like a father. So yeah, they respect Josh. Funny that you hold Pastner to one standard while not holding Cal to the same standard. There were, in fact, players who cussed Cal like a dog and threatened to punch him. There were players threatened to transfer after every season.

Henderson and Garner both talked about transferring while they played for Finch. Did they not respect Finch?

To quote Jim Mora, "You THINK you know.....but you don't know...and ever will."

I never brought up Cal once. As a matter of fact, I don't think I've mentioned Cal since right after he left for KY. So you telling me I hold him to a different standard is as irrelevant as your quote and the points that you're desperately trying to make by bringing up past coaches.

All I wanted to know was your opinion and you couldn't give it with bringing up some imaginary perceived slight against Pastner and getting defensive on his behalf.

At least you answered the question though, stammers couldn't even bring himself to do that.

There was no PERCIEVED slight. You stated your opinion pretty clearly in this and other threads.

You mean the opinion that I want pastner to succeed?

It's fascinating that you see me stating this - (or any opinion for that matter) and asking if you think players respect Pastner as a slight on the man worth your time in defending.

I'm starting to wonder if some of you take out a rug and pray towards glen dale, WV twice a day.

You compared his program building ability to Larry Brown in another thread. Pastner IS succeeding, just not on the schedule that a few on here demand.

In the weeks after Calipari left, had you told most people that five years later we'd be in a better league, ranked, and winning over 75% of our games they'd have taken it in a second. Now, for some, it just isn't good enough. According to some, it's better to hire a known cheater like Pearl and win big quickly than let Pastner develop and build the program the right way where banners don't come down and our name isn't X'ed out of the record books; you know, like two of the three times we've won big.

Pastner has proven that he can coach. Maybe that 2010 class wasn't the best class for his personality. However, it was one he HAD to get.

(02-03-2014 04:21 PM)Collegiate Black Man Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 01:58 PM)450bench Wrote:  Do you remember the players crying in the locker room after a loss? What happened? They got bashed here for crying in the locker room after a loss. Now they are goofing off too much after a loss? Can they do anything right? Apparently not.

When were the players bashed for crying after a loss? One of the most enduring images I had growing up was seeing Penny crying in Coach Finch's arms after that debacle against Cinncinati in the Elite 8 his last year. Shows all heart. I would never bash a player for crying after a loss.

I didn't say that. Tanya did I think but I sure didn't. I think you got the quote lines wrong or something but I certainly didn't say that.

(02-03-2014 05:18 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 04:21 PM)Collegiate Black Man Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 01:58 PM)450bench Wrote:  Do you remember the players crying in the locker room after a loss? What happened? They got bashed here for crying in the locker room after a loss. Now they are goofing off too much after a loss? Can they do anything right? Apparently not.

When were the players bashed for crying after a loss? One of the most enduring images I had growing up was seeing Penny crying in Coach Finch's arms after that debacle against Cinncinati in the Elite 8 his last year. Shows all heart. I would never bash a player for crying after a loss.

I didn't say that. Tanya did I think but I sure didn't.

Yes, I asked. I just asked if you remember. Maybe I should have asked if you all remember. It wasn't really directed at anyone.....just making a point that no matter what our kids or coach do, it's never the right thing to some.

(02-03-2014 05:16 PM)transitt Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 05:10 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 04:57 PM)transitt Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 04:55 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 04:42 PM)transitt Wrote:  The ones to whom I've spoken (Geron, Shaq, Joe) respect the hell out of him. DJ loves him like a father. So yeah, they respect Josh. Funny that you hold Pastner to one standard while not holding Cal to the same standard. There were, in fact, players who cussed Cal like a dog and threatened to punch him. There were players threatened to transfer after every season.

Henderson and Garner both talked about transferring while they played for Finch. Did they not respect Finch?

To quote Jim Mora, "You THINK you know.....but you don't know...and ever will."

I never brought up Cal once. As a matter of fact, I don't think I've mentioned Cal since right after he left for KY. So you telling me I hold him to a different standard is as irrelevant as your quote and the points that you're desperately trying to make by bringing up past coaches.

All I wanted to know was your opinion and you couldn't give it with bringing up some imaginary perceived slight against Pastner and getting defensive on his behalf.

At least you answered the question though, stammers couldn't even bring himself to do that.

There was no PERCIEVED slight. You stated your opinion pretty clearly in this and other threads.

You mean the opinion that I want pastner to succeed?

It's fascinating that you see me stating this - (or any opinion for that matter) and asking if you think players respect Pastner as a slight on the man worth your time in defending.

I'm starting to wonder if some of you take out a rug and pray towards glen dale, WV twice a day.

You compared his program building ability to Larry Brown in another thread. Pastner IS succeeding, just not on the schedule that a few on here demand.

In the weeks after Calipari left, had you told most people that five years later we'd be in a better league, ranked, and winning over 75% of our games they'd have taken it in a second. Now, for some, it just isn't good enough. According to some, it's better to hire a known cheater like Pearl and win big quickly than let Pastner develop and build the program the right way where banners don't come down and our name isn't X'ed out of the record books; you know, like two of the three times we've won big.

Pastner has proven that he can coach. Maybe that 2010 class wasn't the best class for his personality. However, it was one he HAD to get.

I think you either have me confused for another poster or lump folks into some version of "good guy pastner lovers" vs. "bad guy pastner haters."

I never compared Pastner to Larry Brown and I've never written the words "Pastner can't coach."

.........gee....just basketball.....

I like the fact our players are doing so well in school........and Josh (I believe) thinks it VERY important to take these HS kids and graduate quality young adult individuals....

Also, it helps the reputation of the University and City to do the above...

Even sometimes we win a few games.....

So, if we under-perform at times or do not ALWAYS live up to expectations in a B-ball game....well...that's basketball....even if we have the best 11 players in the USA<----doesn't guarantee a national championship....the days of John Wooden are over...

So are the days of Tic Price over....

>>>Time to cut bait<<<???

Don't think so....

(02-03-2014 05:20 PM)Tanyaskees Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 05:18 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 04:21 PM)Collegiate Black Man Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 01:58 PM)450bench Wrote:  Do you remember the players crying in the locker room after a loss? What happened? They got bashed here for crying in the locker room after a loss. Now they are goofing off too much after a loss? Can they do anything right? Apparently not.

When were the players bashed for crying after a loss? One of the most enduring images I had growing up was seeing Penny crying in Coach Finch's arms after that debacle against Cinncinati in the Elite 8 his last year. Shows all heart. I would never bash a player for crying after a loss.

I didn't say that. Tanya did I think but I sure didn't.

Yes, I asked. I just asked if you remember. Maybe I should have asked if you all remember. It wasn't really directed at anyone.....just making a point that no matter what our kids or coach do, it's never the right thing to some.

I just think we should expect Josh to do at LEAST as well as Cal did his 5th year. I mean, if you're going to have a standard, let's set up a good one. You remember Cal's 5 year don't you? we went what...32-5 including 8 wins over top 25 teams? And those teams had no drama, all the young men were a credit to the university. Why? because cal had their respect...right?

(02-03-2014 02:53 PM)Mimi Wrote:  More bait.

Not really worthy.

The TELL is... "if you are happy with beating St. Mary's and wining a lot of meaningless games then I see why you like him..."

That is not even fresh bait anymore.

Yes- failure to mock and criticize and daring to recognize that this is likely the 5th year of getting better than the last one means completely satisfied with nothing more.

Yep chu chu chu.

People keep saying Josh gets better every year. I must be missing something then, because if he's getter better then it seems incremental to me at best.

I honestly think the best tournament game we've played with him at the helm was year 2 against Zona. We should have won the game.

After that came St.Louis, then Mich St. How does that make so many here that confident to say he keeps improving?

He seems a little more confident this year than his previous years, but to me he's had some pretty serious beatdowns this year. If you just look at the record 16-5 looks pretty good but of the five losses, we got smoked in four of them. UCONN beat us by like 10 on our court. Cincy beat us even worse on our home court. OSU part one reminded me of the Mich St. game, and SMU was in my opinion the worst one of all.

I know we're playing a tougher schedule now, but so far we've had our worst batch of bad losses of any year he's coached. We still have half the season to go.

I'm not saying we should fire him in the middle of the season. That I agree would be absurd. But if we crap out the rest of this season, I know I won't want him here next year.

(02-03-2014 05:38 PM)Chi-TownTiger Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 02:53 PM)Mimi Wrote:  More bait.

Not really worthy.

The TELL is... "if you are happy with beating St. Mary's and wining a lot of meaningless games then I see why you like him..."

That is not even fresh bait anymore.

Yes- failure to mock and criticize and daring to recognize that this is likely the 5th year of getting better than the last one means completely satisfied with nothing more.

Yep chu chu chu.

People keep saying Josh gets better every year. I must be missing something then, because if he's getter better then it seems incremental to me at best.

I honestly think the best tournament game we've played with him at the helm was year 2 against Zona. We should have won the game.

After that came St.Louis, then Mich St. How does that make so many here that confident to say he keeps improving?

He seems a little more confident this year than his previous years, but to me he's had some pretty serious beatdowns this year. If you just look at the record 16-5 looks pretty good but of the five losses, we got smoked in four of them. UCONN beat us by like 10 on our court. Cincy beat us even worse on our home court. OSU part one reminded me of the Mich St. game, and SMU was in my opinion the worst one of all.

I know we're playing a tougher schedule now, but so far we've had our worst batch of bad losses of any year he's coached. We still have half the season to go.

I'm not saying we should fire him in the middle of the season. That I agree would be absurd. But if we crap out the rest of this season, I know I won't want him here next year.

Agreed.

(02-03-2014 05:33 PM)Oman Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 05:20 PM)Tanyaskees Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 05:18 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 04:21 PM)Collegiate Black Man Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 01:58 PM)450bench Wrote:  Do you remember the players crying in the locker room after a loss? What happened? They got bashed here for crying in the locker room after a loss. Now they are goofing off too much after a loss? Can they do anything right? Apparently not.

When were the players bashed for crying after a loss? One of the most enduring images I had growing up was seeing Penny crying in Coach Finch's arms after that debacle against Cinncinati in the Elite 8 his last year. Shows all heart. I would never bash a player for crying after a loss.

I didn't say that. Tanya did I think but I sure didn't.

Yes, I asked. I just asked if you remember. Maybe I should have asked if you all remember. It wasn't really directed at anyone.....just making a point that no matter what our kids or coach do, it's never the right thing to some.

I just think we should expect Josh to do at LEAST as well as Cal did his 5th year. I mean, if you're going to have a standard, let's set up a good one. You remember Cal's 5 year don't you? we went what...32-5 including 8 wins over top 25 teams? And those teams had no drama, all the young men were a credit to the university. Why? because cal had their respect...right?

Right!

(02-03-2014 05:38 PM)Chi-TownTiger Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 02:53 PM)Mimi Wrote:  More bait.

Not really worthy.

The TELL is... "if you are happy with beating St. Mary's and wining a lot of meaningless games then I see why you like him..."

That is not even fresh bait anymore.

Yes- failure to mock and criticize and daring to recognize that this is likely the 5th year of getting better than the last one means completely satisfied with nothing more.

Yep chu chu chu.

People keep saying Josh gets better every year. I must be missing something then, because if he's getter better then it seems incremental to me at best.

I honestly think the best tournament game we've played with him at the helm was year 2 against Zona. We should have won the game.

After that came St.Louis, then Mich St. How does that make so many here that confident to say he keeps improving?

He seems a little more confident this year than his previous years, but to me he's had some pretty serious beatdowns this year. If you just look at the record 16-5 looks pretty good but of the five losses, we got smoked in four of them. UCONN beat us by like 10 on our court. Cincy beat us even worse on our home court. OSU part one reminded me of the Mich St. game, and SMU was in my opinion the worst one of all.

I know we're playing a tougher schedule now, but so far we've had our worst batch of bad losses of any year he's coached. We still have half the season to go.

I'm not saying we should fire him in the middle of the season. That I agree would be absurd. But if we crap out the rest of this season, I know I won't want him here next year.

I like this. The last few sentences are exactly how I feel.