Son...you're missing the point completely. Good lord.

I know people worry about geography, but I still think that the Big East is better off adding Memphis and East Carolina. Memphis, I feel, is the best overall athletic program, similar to Louisville and Cincinnati. And they give the Big East a presence in SEC territory. It also gives the conference another ready made pair of rivarlies, and the conference NEEDS a ton of rivalries for national attention and fan attention. East Carolina is a strong overall program. Basketball is their only weakness and I think with the right coach they can at least have an NIT-caliber program. And they give the Big East a presence in ACC territory, similar to the way South Carolina gives the SEC a presence in ACC territory. ECU also bring some rivalries with old C-USA schools and with West Virginia.

Hummell Wrote:Every team tries to get the best players in FLA after all the big schools have picked them over. Adding UCF would hurt the other Big East schools chances of getting those players, and at best, they would get less of them, thus making them less talented on the field.

I realize that there is an abundance of players in Florida, but the abundance of impact players in Florida are minimal after Miami, UofF, and Florida State have cleaned house. Adding UCF would detract the amount of impact players going to Big East schools today.

I agree with that. If you ask Miami, Florida and Florida State people, though they're the big dogs, you know they were very wary of South Florida moving up to BCS status.

CatsClaw Wrote:If you ask Miami, Florida and Florida State people, though they're the big dogs, you know they were very wary of South Florida moving up to BCS status.

Disagree. I live in Tampa, went to USF, and know lots of FSU/Miami/UF people. USF isn't on their radar recruiting-wise or any other way. Small potatoes, sadly.

stevej5 Wrote:

CatsClaw Wrote:If you ask Miami, Florida and Florida State people, though they're the big dogs, you know they were very wary of South Florida moving up to BCS status.

Disagree. I live in Tampa, went to USF, and know lots of FSU/Miami/UF people. USF isn't on their radar recruiting-wise or any other way. Small potatoes, sadly.

South Florida has only been in the Big East for 1 year, and only had a chance to recruit 2 years. I don't think South Florida is considered small potatoes at all. If they were, Miami wouldn't be trying to get a national television deal against them. South Florida is going to start sneaking into their recruiting circles, just watch.

South Florida may not be putting the fear of god in them, but you can bet that those schools are keeping an eye on them. South Florida has come a long way in a short time and now are in a BCS conference.

If/when South Florida makes it to a BCS bowl, I'd say the Big 3 will certainly notice.

Quote:Every team tries to get the best players in FLA after all the big schools have picked them over. Adding UCF would hurt the other Big East schools chances of getting those players, and at best, they would get less of them, thus making them less talented on the field.

I hate to break it to you, but UCF can and is getting the same kids that currently chose between the Big East schools. Case in point:

2007 class:
A.J. Johnson chose UCF over Rutgers and Uconn
Troy Kelly chose UCF over WVU and USF
Ereck Plancher chose UCF over USF

2006 class:
Jeremy Devane chose UCF over Louisville, WVU.
Travis Timmons chose UCF over USF

There are other that chose over other BCS conferences as well, as there will be other this year and more. To think that UCF can't recruit with the Big East schools in Florida is crazy. Adding BCS status to UCF would effect the ACC and SEC schools more than the Big East.

CatsClaw Wrote:East Carolina is a strong overall program.

Can I laugh now or later? lmfao I'm a UCF fan that wants to stay in the C-USA, but to say "ECU is a strong overall program"??? Ok...5 straight seasons without a winning record in football and 10 straight season without a winning record in hoops.

I hope the C-USA stays together and the Big East adds Villanova who is already a member of the Big East and located in the right region!

Quote:I realize that there is an abundance of players in Florida, but the abundance of impact players in Florida are minimal after Miami, UofF, and Florida State have cleaned house. Adding UCF would detract the amount of impact players going to Big East schools today.

-- Possibly...that is one of those things we will have to wait and see on....of course just to play Devil's Advocate...if USF and UCF are winnng now...and the BE schools in general hold their own out of confernece...that would seem to imply that there is enough talent to go around

-- As stated above...my main concern for USF is rivalries...They need someone for there fan base to hate. Somone who will draw a large crowd no matter what the records on the field look like. This is doubly needed in bball where USF is certainly an outsider. They are miles away from anyone and just don't have any tradition with any other team in the league. To make matters worse, that's going to be hard to develop because of the 16 team format and going most yrs only seeing another team once and sometimes not at all.

-- Personally, I think USF is gong to have a say on what happens to UCF. I'm sure the football schools are going to ask Bull officials, DO you want a close rival? Would that help you or hurt you in the long run? Remember, Miami officials were horrified when the BE office was hatching a plan to add USF to the old league to eaise 'Cane reservations about isolation and travel costs. Would USF do the same to UCF, or would they welcome a close rival?

Quote:I hope the C-USA stays together and the Big East adds Villanova who is already a member of the Big East and located in the right region!

-- the BE office has been begging them to do this for yrs to ease scheduling concerns of the football schools and they have always refused...frankly they don't have the cash that Uconn does to move up...don't look for that as being an option

Jackson

KNIGHTTIME Wrote:

CatsClaw Wrote:East Carolina is a strong overall program.

Can I laugh now or later? lmfao I'm a UCF fan that wants to stay in the C-USA, but to say "ECU is a strong overall program"??? Ok...5 straight seasons without a winning record in football and 10 straight season without a winning record in hoops.

I hope the C-USA stays together and the Big East adds Villanova who is already a member of the Big East and located in the right region!

I'm talking about the athletic department, if you even bothered to ask what I was talking about. Their athletic department has been strong until a few years when they made some questionable decisions that hurt the football program. But, overall, their program is healthy, with a healthy budget, a very good facilities, good leadership and they know where they need to go. UCF has had one good football season, but, aside from that, it's not like you have their powerful football program that is knocking down doors. You're one year removed from a winless season. And, yes, your basketball program was nice, but it was nice in the A-Sun, so be careful before you cast stones. So feel free to laugh because everyone was laughing at your program last year now weren't they?

Sir Galahad Wrote:2007 class:
A.J. Johnson chose UCF over Rutgers and Uconn
Troy Kelly chose UCF over WVU and USF
Ereck Plancher chose UCF over USF

2006 class:
Jeremy Devane chose UCF over Louisville, WVU.
Travis Timmons chose UCF over USF

Thank you for proving our point. I would however enjoy reading your explanation on how UCF having BCS status would harm the SEZ and ACC more than the Big East. This should be interesting.....
CJ

Sir Galahad Wrote:

Quote:Every team tries to get the best players in FLA after all the big schools have picked them over. Adding UCF would hurt the other Big East schools chances of getting those players, and at best, they would get less of them, thus making them less talented on the field.

I hate to break it to you, but UCF can and is getting the same kids that currently chose between the Big East schools. Case in point:

2007 class:
A.J. Johnson chose UCF over Rutgers and Uconn
Troy Kelly chose UCF over WVU and USF
Ereck Plancher chose UCF over USF

2006 class:
Jeremy Devane chose UCF over Louisville, WVU.
Travis Timmons chose UCF over USF

There are other that chose over other BCS conferences as well, as there will be other this year and more. To think that UCF can't recruit with the Big East schools in Florida is crazy. Adding BCS status to UCF would effect the ACC and SEC schools more than the Big East.

UCF may get some home grown recruiting coups every now and then, but looking at UCF's ranking on Scout among the 119 D1A programs, #87 puts you behind every single BE program as well as behind at least 6 cusa programs. The poor ranking of UCF florida recruits tells me that your recruits were not 4 or 5 stars, and probably not even 3 stars.

cuseroc Wrote:

Sir Galahad Wrote:

Quote:Every team tries to get the best players in FLA after all the big schools have picked them over. Adding UCF would hurt the other Big East schools chances of getting those players, and at best, they would get less of them, thus making them less talented on the field.

I hate to break it to you, but UCF can and is getting the same kids that currently chose between the Big East schools. Case in point:

2007 class:
A.J. Johnson chose UCF over Rutgers and Uconn
Troy Kelly chose UCF over WVU and USF
Ereck Plancher chose UCF over USF

2006 class:
Jeremy Devane chose UCF over Louisville, WVU.
Travis Timmons chose UCF over USF

There are other that chose over other BCS conferences as well, as there will be other this year and more. To think that UCF can't recruit with the Big East schools in Florida is crazy. Adding BCS status to UCF would effect the ACC and SEC schools more than the Big East.

UCF may get some home grown recruiting coups every now and then, but looking at UCF's ranking on Scout among the 119 D1A programs, #87 puts you behind every single BE program as well as behind at least 6 cusa programs. The poor ranking of UCF florida recruits tells me that your recruits were not 4 or 5 stars, and probably not even 3 stars.

The recruiting rankings are BS. Kevin Smith and Joe Burnett were rated low and Burnett was a freshman all-american last year. Kevin Smith was the C-USA freshman of the Year. UCF and USF offer different players any way. There's not a whole lot of crossover. We don't offer the people they recruit other than maybe one or two.

CatsClaw Wrote:I don't think South Florida is considered small potatoes at all. If they were, Miami wouldn't be trying to get a national television deal against them. South Florida is going to start sneaking into their recruiting circles, just watch.

I wish i could consider us to be big-time, but we're not and probably never will be. We don't have a stadium on campus, we have a commuter student population and widely dispersed alumni base, and Tampa is a Bucs town.

Miami would love to get a "national tv deal" to play anyone, since every team wants to be on national tv. particularly if it's against a team you will easily beat.

stevej5 Wrote:

CatsClaw Wrote:I don't think South Florida is considered small potatoes at all. If they were, Miami wouldn't be trying to get a national television deal against them. South Florida is going to start sneaking into their recruiting circles, just watch.

I wish i could consider us to be big-time, but we're not and probably never will be. We don't have a stadium on campus, we have a commuter student population and widely dispersed alumni base, and Tampa is a Bucs town.

Miami would love to get a "national tv deal" to play anyone, since every team wants to be on national tv. particularly if it's against a team you will easily beat.

Here we go again. Someone pretending to be a USF fan talking smack about USF and the BE. You can always tell the "self hatin BE fans. lmfao

Just read the posts from this guy. He will be banned in no time flat.

cuseroc Wrote:

stevej5 Wrote:

CatsClaw Wrote:I don't think South Florida is considered small potatoes at all. If they were, Miami wouldn't be trying to get a national television deal against them. South Florida is going to start sneaking into their recruiting circles, just watch.

I wish i could consider us to be big-time, but we're not and probably never will be. We don't have a stadium on campus, we have a commuter student population and widely dispersed alumni base, and Tampa is a Bucs town.

Miami would love to get a "national tv deal" to play anyone, since every team wants to be on national tv. particularly if it's against a team you will easily beat.

Here we go again. Someone pretending to be a USF fan talking smack about USF and the BE. You can always tell the "self hatin BE fans. lmfao

Just read the posts from this guy. He will be banned in no time flat.

Why would anyone ban me? And what's talking smack about admitting the limitations of my school's program?

I wish i could say we are on the way to national power-hood, but it just isn't going to happen. Our alumni base and student base just isn't oriented towards football, at least not Bullls football, and probably never will be.

Heck, i visited a couple USF dorms last fall, and there were as many UF and FSU banners, etc. in the dorm rooms as USF banners, believe it or not. Lots of the students grew up rooting for UF, FSU, or Miami.

stevej5 Wrote:

cuseroc Wrote:

stevej5 Wrote:

CatsClaw Wrote:I don't think South Florida is considered small potatoes at all. If they were, Miami wouldn't be trying to get a national television deal against them. South Florida is going to start sneaking into their recruiting circles, just watch.

I wish i could consider us to be big-time, but we're not and probably never will be. We don't have a stadium on campus, we have a commuter student population and widely dispersed alumni base, and Tampa is a Bucs town.

Miami would love to get a "national tv deal" to play anyone, since every team wants to be on national tv. particularly if it's against a team you will easily beat.

Here we go again. Someone pretending to be a USF fan talking smack about USF and the BE. You can always tell the "self hatin BE fans. lmfao

Just read the posts from this guy. He will be banned in no time flat.

Why would anyone ban me? And what's talking smack about admitting the limitations of my school's program?

I wish i could say we are on the way to national power-hood, but it just isn't going to happen. Our alumni base and student base just isn't oriented towards football, at least not Bullls football, and probably never will be.

Heck, i visited a couple USF dorms last fall, and there were as many UF and FSU banners, etc. in the dorm rooms as USF banners, believe it or not. Lots of the students grew up rooting for UF, FSU, or Miami.

25 years ago you could say the same thing about Miami. NOBODY in Dade County gave a rats arse about the Hurricanes. Since then they are the program this Quarter of a Century. USF has the same advantages and really is in a better position then Miami was in 1980.

stevej5 Wrote:

CatsClaw Wrote:I don't think South Florida is considered small potatoes at all. If they were, Miami wouldn't be trying to get a national television deal against them. South Florida is going to start sneaking into their recruiting circles, just watch.

I wish i could consider us to be big-time, but we're not and probably never will be. We don't have a stadium on campus, we have a commuter student population and widely dispersed alumni base, and Tampa is a Bucs town.

Miami would love to get a "national tv deal" to play anyone, since every team wants to be on national tv. particularly if it's against a team you will easily beat.

Dude, go back over to the C-USA board.