And why hasn't it been replicated by other coaches?

I don't know but Duke just put the game into OT.

The team practices playing zone.

Dook made a bunch of shots and still lost.

Syracuse recruits players to fit the zone ... Boeheim always has long, athletic wings that close out on shooters like nobody's business.

(02-01-2014 09:39 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  Syracuse recruits players to fit the zone ... Boeheim always has long, athletic wings that close out on shooters like nobody's business.

We got some of those, they just don't ever get in the game.

(02-01-2014 09:41 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(02-01-2014 09:39 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  Syracuse recruits players to fit the zone ... Boeheim always has long, athletic wings that close out on shooters like nobody's business.

We got some of those, they just don't ever get in the game.

They're just princes... not yet kings.

(02-01-2014 09:55 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(02-01-2014 09:41 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(02-01-2014 09:39 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  Syracuse recruits players to fit the zone ... Boeheim always has long, athletic wings that close out on shooters like nobody's business.

We got some of those, they just don't ever get in the game.

They're just princes... not yet kings.

For the same reason no one can replicate the Spurs, it is a system that has been developed and ingrained over decades. Every player that comes in has to buy in to that system or doesn't play. They tend to buy in.

Boeheim doesn't coach by feel...he has a philosophy of what he wants to do and he follows that...he has identity...after 5 years..i still can't discern it from Tigers...

One thing that should NEVER change...fierce play on the Defensive end.

One thing that will help CJP is he communicates to the fan base like we know ball because we do and explain what he is attempting to do on offense and defense...as long as he keep crazy coach speak...I don't care for him as coach....

Perhaps its an oversimplification, but I think Boeheim is a defense-first coach. Cal was too.

Josh is an offense-first coach right now, just as Lute was.

Pastner need to find a better middle ground.

(02-02-2014 12:26 AM)Jedi Master Sipho-Dyas Wrote:  Perhaps its an oversimplification, but I think Boeheim is a defense-first coach. Cal was too.

Josh is an offense-first coach right now, just as Lute was.

Pastner need to find a better middle ground.

In some ways we are overcoached, or rather our coaches overthink things. We come out in man sometimes, we come out in zone sometimes, we switch it several times a game. Sometimes we soft press, sometimes we press more urgently. We have a talent level where we should have a defensive identity. It's ok to mix up defenses some, but you need to have a defensive identity

Boeheim's teams play 2-3 zone. Shaka smart plays a full court aggressive trapping man, Cal plays halfcourt man to man.

We're not Rice, we have the talent and athleticism to match up with most teams. Pick a style and stick with it. Personally, I wish we'd just play a straight up man, no shading one way or the other, and see if we can stay in front of them

Junk the lackadaisical press

(02-02-2014 10:29 AM)jgardne Wrote:  Personally, I wish we'd just play a straight up man, no shading one way or the other, and see if we can stay in front of them

I think this team has shown they can't do that. That's why you got Shaq 20 ft from the basket, following his man who just set a pick, and now no one is defending the paint. A guard loses his man who attacks, and there's no one there. Easy bucket.

Maybe some combination of zone/man could work --- zone around the paint area, man-to-man guarding the perimeter. Would still allow a quick guard to pick a pocket now and then, and bigs to still defend the basket when that gamble doesn't work.

(02-01-2014 11:39 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  For the same reason no one can replicate the Spurs, it is a system that has been developed and ingrained over decades. Every player that comes in has to buy in to that system or doesn't play. They tend to buy in.

exactly

Our zone has really looked at some points this season. Hell, the best we looked all day was in a zone agaist SMU. At one point in the first half we forced five straight turnovers and built our biggest lead of the day playing straight zone defense. Then the wheels fell off.

(02-02-2014 12:08 PM)3601 Wrote:  Our zone has really looked at some points this season. Hell, the best we looked all day was in a zone agaist SMU. At one point in the first half we forced five straight turnovers and built our biggest lead of the day playing straight zone defense. Then the wheels fell off.

I agree. We make a good move here and there but after the other team makes adjustments we tend to struggle. Our coaching staff needs to anticipate the other teams adjustments and have a plan in place for that adjustment.

It's a chess match not checkers.

Syracuse's zone has the quickest perimeter defense in America, a big who defends the paint and their quick help defense knows how to rotate. After saying all this, their defense can be defeated by getting two men to guard one and dropping a pass to the always open man. The problem is getting your players to execute the offensive plan consistently. The pressure of the quick defensive intimidates their opponents.

And Syracuse hasn't played man in 5 years. They know who they are and try to be the best at it.

Commitment, understanding and effort.

Doesn't appear that they treat the zone as just a chance to take it easy.