Sanders has become our go to post defender off of the bench. He quietly has done an outstanding job on D this year.

(02-01-2014 07:08 PM)eroc Wrote:  Here's the minutes played breakdown for Shaq, Guyn and Sanders for the past two seasons and the season year to date:

Ge Lawn Guyn: 322, 335, 389
Jermaine Sanders: 238, 440, 473
Shaq Thomas: R/S, 356, 511

Sanders has played more minutes than both Guyn and Shaq. Surprised? i am. For most of his career up until now, Sanders has been invisible. Shaq is starting to make an impact now, but was similarly a non-impact player. Why is Guyn being held to a higher standard? He's contributed more than Sanders and Thomas with more regularity prior to this season. i'm not saying he's an all american or even all conference, but i don't get why posters are going after Guyn?

The only category Guyn has a significant lead in is TO's, Thomas shouldn't be in the conversation as he's done more in about 200 less career min. Sanders isn't a starter.

Guyn career : 1066 min, 254 pts, 94 r, 54 a, 7bl, 40 stl, 58 to's
Sanders career : 1151 min, 292 pts, 174 r, 63a, 13bl, 23 stl, 46 to's
Thomas career : 867 min, 262 pts, 140 r, 43 a, 12 bl, 38 stl, 44 to's

(02-01-2014 10:57 PM)ucbrownsfan Wrote:  

(02-01-2014 07:08 PM)eroc Wrote:  Here's the minutes played breakdown for Shaq, Guyn and Sanders for the past two seasons and the season year to date:

Ge Lawn Guyn: 322, 335, 389
Jermaine Sanders: 238, 440, 473
Shaq Thomas: R/S, 356, 511

Sanders has played more minutes than both Guyn and Shaq. Surprised? i am. For most of his career up until now, Sanders has been invisible. Shaq is starting to make an impact now, but was similarly a non-impact player. Why is Guyn being held to a higher standard? He's contributed more than Sanders and Thomas with more regularity prior to this season. i'm not saying he's an all american or even all conference, but i don't get why posters are going after Guyn?

The only category Guyn has a significant lead in is TO's, Thomas shouldn't be in the conversation as he's done more in about 200 less career min. Sanders isn't a starter.

Guyn career : 1066 min, 254 pts, 94 r, 54 a, 7bl, 40 stl, 58 to's
Sanders career : 1151 min, 292 pts, 174 r, 63a, 13bl, 23 stl, 46 to's
Thomas career : 867 min, 262 pts, 140 r, 43 a, 12 bl, 38 stl, 44 to's

Guyn is a first year starter. So is Shaq. And i still don't know why posters are holding Guyn to a higher standard than either Shaq or Sanders. i don't remember either Sanders or Shaq making an impact last season, maybe Shaq in the Creighton game.

(02-01-2014 11:12 PM)eroc Wrote:  

(02-01-2014 10:57 PM)ucbrownsfan Wrote:  

(02-01-2014 07:08 PM)eroc Wrote:  Here's the minutes played breakdown for Shaq, Guyn and Sanders for the past two seasons and the season year to date:

Ge Lawn Guyn: 322, 335, 389
Jermaine Sanders: 238, 440, 473
Shaq Thomas: R/S, 356, 511

Sanders has played more minutes than both Guyn and Shaq. Surprised? i am. For most of his career up until now, Sanders has been invisible. Shaq is starting to make an impact now, but was similarly a non-impact player. Why is Guyn being held to a higher standard? He's contributed more than Sanders and Thomas with more regularity prior to this season. i'm not saying he's an all american or even all conference, but i don't get why posters are going after Guyn?

The only category Guyn has a significant lead in is TO's, Thomas shouldn't be in the conversation as he's done more in about 200 less career min. Sanders isn't a starter.

Guyn career : 1066 min, 254 pts, 94 r, 54 a, 7bl, 40 stl, 58 to's
Sanders career : 1151 min, 292 pts, 174 r, 63a, 13bl, 23 stl, 46 to's
Thomas career : 867 min, 262 pts, 140 r, 43 a, 12 bl, 38 stl, 44 to's

Guyn is a first year starter. So is Shaq. And i still don't know why posters are holding Guyn to a higher standard than either Shaq or Sanders. i don't remember either Sanders or Shaq making an impact last season, maybe Shaq in the Creighton game.

PG's are ALWAYS held to a higher standard, because they are the QB of the offense. Please tell me this thread is a joke?! Guyn is a role player. Nothing more, nothing less. He can give a FEW quality minutes at PG and knock down the occasional 3 pointer. If you cannot trust him to bring the ball up the court against a UofL press, then he should not be the starting PG. He is a junior. Not a freshman.

Guyn really has a bulldog mentality and I love that. If Cash Wright played like that he wouldve been great

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(02-02-2014 12:26 AM)Cat-Man Wrote:  

(02-01-2014 11:12 PM)eroc Wrote:  

(02-01-2014 10:57 PM)ucbrownsfan Wrote:  

(02-01-2014 07:08 PM)eroc Wrote:  Here's the minutes played breakdown for Shaq, Guyn and Sanders for the past two seasons and the season year to date:

Ge Lawn Guyn: 322, 335, 389
Jermaine Sanders: 238, 440, 473
Shaq Thomas: R/S, 356, 511

Sanders has played more minutes than both Guyn and Shaq. Surprised? i am. For most of his career up until now, Sanders has been invisible. Shaq is starting to make an impact now, but was similarly a non-impact player. Why is Guyn being held to a higher standard? He's contributed more than Sanders and Thomas with more regularity prior to this season. i'm not saying he's an all american or even all conference, but i don't get why posters are going after Guyn?

The only category Guyn has a significant lead in is TO's, Thomas shouldn't be in the conversation as he's done more in about 200 less career min. Sanders isn't a starter.

Guyn career : 1066 min, 254 pts, 94 r, 54 a, 7bl, 40 stl, 58 to's
Sanders career : 1151 min, 292 pts, 174 r, 63a, 13bl, 23 stl, 46 to's
Thomas career : 867 min, 262 pts, 140 r, 43 a, 12 bl, 38 stl, 44 to's

Guyn is a first year starter. So is Shaq. And i still don't know why posters are holding Guyn to a higher standard than either Shaq or Sanders. i don't remember either Sanders or Shaq making an impact last season, maybe Shaq in the Creighton game.

PG's are ALWAYS held to a higher standard, because they are the QB of the offense. Please tell me this thread is a joke?! Guyn is a role player. Nothing more, nothing less. He can give a FEW quality minutes at PG and knock down the occasional 3 pointer. If you cannot trust him to bring the ball up the court against a UofL press, then he should not be the starting PG. He is a junior. Not a freshman.

The UL press that grabbed/held/handchecked/bodybumped the entire game? NONE of our guys had much success bringing the ball up. in all reality, Mick made a huge mistake not having SK bring the ball up by himself all the time. He at least commands some respect from the officials and would have probably gotten a few more calls.

Really? Mick made a huge mistake? Please. If SK brings the ball up more it tires him out more which in turn requires more breaks for SK which leads to less leadership and less freshness down the stretch. Which of SK's FTs are you ok with him missing? Or perhaps which 3? Or which new TO because SK now has to get rid of the ball to start the offense as opposed to being the recipient? People can blame Mick for many supposed coaching blunders but on Thursday he more than held his own... while being short handed... against a HOF coach and a Top 15 talented ball club. Kudos to him and his decisions

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Mick out coached Pitino in this game plain and simple.

Pretty good half for MR. Guyn today.

I'm still saying this it's a guy like Guyn or Sanders that puts the dagger in you in an ncaa game....


esp Sanders...he's so unassuming, has a slow release, etc. Yet he is the type of guy that nails the three to push the lead to 5 with under a minute to go in an ncaa game

Quote: If SK brings the ball up more it tires him out more which in turn requires more breaks for SK which leads to less leadership and less freshness down the stretch.

He wouldn't have gotten tired

Quote:Which of SK's FTs are you ok with him missing? Or perhaps which 3?

He wouldn't have missed any FTs

Quote:Or which new TO because SK now has to get rid of the ball to start the offense as opposed to being the recipient?

He wouldn't have turned over the ball and their were plenty of possessions where he starts the offense, passes off to move without the ball.

Quote:Really? Mick made a huge mistake? Please...People can blame Mick for many supposed coaching blunders but on Thursday he more than held his own... while being short handed... against a HOF coach and a Top 15 talented ball club. Kudos to him and his decisions

All kidding aside, i was pumped by the W and i appreciated the coaching job done by Mick and Co. i misstated my position. i would have preferred that SK bring the ball up because i felt that the refs would have respected him more than some of the other players and perhaps called some of the grabbing/holding/etc...That being said, there's no guarantees that anything you stated would have actually happened had he taken the ball up the floor. Get over yourself.

LOL only in a UC forum do you see fans of a 20-2 team bickering about hypotheticals rather than enjoying the ride....

(02-02-2014 12:59 PM)DMT Wrote:  Pretty good half for MR. Guyn today.

Indeed. He and The Machine were the only ones hitting anything.

Guyn provides needed lift for Bearcats
02/02/14 at 3:48pm by Bill Koch

UC’s 14-game winning streak is tied for the fifth-longest in the country, according to the UC SID office. Wichita State has the longest at 23 games, followed by Syracuse at 18, Stephen F. Austin at 17 and UC and Saint Louis at 14.


Ge’Lawn Guyn

The Bearcats struggled to get to 14 Sunday with a 50-45 victory over South Florida, a team that entered the game with a 13-112 all-time record against AP Top 25 opponents. In the end, it was Sean Kilpatrick who bailed UC out, as he has done so frequently this season but on a day when Titus Rubles and Shaq Thomas combined for only eight points, UC got a nice lift from junior point guard Ge’Lawn Guyn.

Guyn scored eight points and made two 3-pointers to help pick up the slack. His contribution was especially welcome considering that Kilpatrick was playing sick. He also made two 3-pointers in UC’s win over Louisville on Thursday.

“We don’t beat Louisville if he don’t knock down two 3s,” said UC coach Mick Cronin. “Ge’Lawn shot the ball well his whole career in drills here and in practice here but it’s different when you get into this type of environment. But he’s finally comfortable. That has a lot do with it. You can’t shoot the ball with nerves.”

If No. 13 UC makes it into the Top 10 Monday as expected, it will be the Bearcats’ first appearance there since they were ranked No. 8 before losing to New Mexico on Dec. 27, 2012.

http://cincinnati.com/blogs/uc/2014/02/0...-bearcats/

Either I cannot count, or St. Louis and Cincinnati are tied for 4th.

I actually wish Guyn had shot a few more yesterday. It is one thing to defer to the star (SK), but when the guy is getting over the flu, it is about time to be more selfish. I do like the uptick in confidence that Guyn is playing with. It is obvious he is more comfortable than the beginning of the season.

(02-03-2014 08:09 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  Either I cannot count, or St. Louis and Cincinnati are tied for 4th.

I actually wish Guyn had shot a few more yesterday. It is one thing to defer to the star (SK), but when the guy is getting over the flu, it is about time to be more selfish. I do like the uptick in confidence that Guyn is playing with. It is obvious he is more comfortable than the beginning of the season.

I agree - both Guyn and Caupain need to shoot when they are in a good position to do so.

Good point on Guyn's confidence. As many here have said, this team needs Guyn to give quality minutes. His game is improving, he's a tough defender and you just can't have enough good guards on a team to make a deep run in March. Caupain has been excellent but I do expect him to continue to have freshman moments--especially as the fatigue of the long college season sets in.

(02-03-2014 08:09 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  Either I cannot count, or St. Louis and Cincinnati are tied for 4th.

I actually wish Guyn had shot a few more yesterday. It is one thing to defer to the star (SK), but when the guy is getting over the flu, it is about time to be more selfish. I do like the uptick in confidence that Guyn is playing with. It is obvious he is more comfortable than the beginning of the season.

There was one time where Guyn passed up a pretty open shot and going to timeout JJ was telling him to shoot it. Shooting is something that Guyn does very well. His form looks damn near flawless to me.