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RE: How in the Heck did Cincy Lose to X and New Mexico?
(01-31-2014 03:56 PM)AusTxPony Wrote: I know memphis fans would hate it, but boy does SMU need this win against the Tigers and so does the conference if we want 5 teams in the Tournament. We've beaten them before in the CUSA with worse teams.
I won't lie... I'm a little worried.
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RE: How in the Heck did Cincy Lose to X and New Mexico?
(01-31-2014 01:19 PM)JHG722 Wrote: The Pit at UNM is probably the toughest place to play in college basketball. If you ever saw it in person, you would be impressed. It is crazy.
I have heard the same thing. That is 15-16 K Arena.
Rick Majerus, whose 5-11 record against the Lobos at The Pit ties him with Don Haskins for most wins by a visiting coach
Attendance at Lobo games has consistently been among the national leaders in college basketball since The Pit opened, and it has a reputation as one of the loudest arenas in the country, creating a hostile playing environment for visitors. The Lobos have averaged over 15,400 fans per game at The Pit since 1966.[8] They finished in the top five nationally in attendance sixteen times in their first twenty years at The Pit, finishing second five times, and they were in the top ten all but one season through 2002.[6][8] Attendance has averaged an astonishing 95 percent of seating capacity, partially due to standing room only tickets pushing attendance beyond stated capacity at times.[6] The top average attendance for a season was 17,625 in 1997-98, and the largest crowd to attend a single game was 19,452 on Jan. 17, 1976, against UNLV. Recent renovations have decreased the seating capacity of The Pit, but the Lobos have continued to rank in the top 25 every season
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pit_%28arena%29
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RE: How in the Heck did Cincy Lose to X and New Mexico?
(01-31-2014 09:54 AM)BearcatMan Wrote: Easy answer...we can't beat teams with premier post play. Luckily no one in the AAC has that.
I wish we would run our offense through our big guys more. We did it against ok st and said the hell with it after that.
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RE: How in the Heck did Cincy Lose to X and New Mexico?
(01-31-2014 04:45 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: (01-31-2014 01:19 PM)JHG722 Wrote: The Pit at UNM is probably the toughest place to play in college basketball. If you ever saw it in person, you would be impressed. It is crazy.
I have heard the same thing. That is 15-16 K Arena.
Rick Majerus, whose 5-11 record against the Lobos at The Pit ties him with Don Haskins for most wins by a visiting coach
Attendance at Lobo games has consistently been among the national leaders in college basketball since The Pit opened, and it has a reputation as one of the loudest arenas in the country, creating a hostile playing environment for visitors. The Lobos have averaged over 15,400 fans per game at The Pit since 1966.[8] They finished in the top five nationally in attendance sixteen times in their first twenty years at The Pit, finishing second five times, and they were in the top ten all but one season through 2002.[6][8] Attendance has averaged an astonishing 95 percent of seating capacity, partially due to standing room only tickets pushing attendance beyond stated capacity at times.[6] The top average attendance for a season was 17,625 in 1997-98, and the largest crowd to attend a single game was 19,452 on Jan. 17, 1976, against UNLV. Recent renovations have decreased the seating capacity of The Pit, but the Lobos have continued to rank in the top 25 every season
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pit_%28arena%29
I was at UNM for our Bowl Game a few years ago. It is seriously ridiculous.
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RE: How in the Heck did Cincy Lose to X and New Mexico?
(01-31-2014 03:56 PM)AusTxPony Wrote: I know memphis fans would hate it, but boy does SMU need this win against the Tigers and so does the conference if we want 5 teams in the Tournament. We've beaten them before in the CUSA with worse teams.
We've played about 12 games against SMU since you joined CUSA in 2005-06. You have won two, both on your home court, in 2009-10 and 2010-11, Pastner's first two seasons. Those were our two worst teams in over a decade.
You generally play us close in Dallas, and get blown out in Memphis. Not saying you won't win, just saying that SMU winning is not exactly a trend, even in Dallas, and even against Pastner.
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RE: How in the Heck did Cincy Lose to X and New Mexico?
(01-31-2014 09:35 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote: Cincy wreaks havoc on the AAC but loses to Xavier and New Mexico. I do not understand.
1. New Mexico loses very very few games at home...check out their all time home record in the Pit.
2. New Mexico has major post player and that type of team is not a good match up for UC.
3. XU is a rivalry...throw out records, rankings, etc for rivalry games. Eg. UC's first team under Mick, a very very bad team beat Xu that year who went on to the elite 8. In 2000, the year UC was #1 most of the year with Kenyon Martin, XU beat us that year even though we smoked a number of good teams including UNC. Rivalry game...things happen. You should know this by now.
4. A team in December isn't always the same team by late Jan/early Feb. Ie teams improve over time and "find their groove".
5. Why is this even a question really?
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RE: How in the Heck did Cincy Lose to X and New Mexico?
(02-01-2014 08:26 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote: (01-31-2014 09:35 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote: Cincy wreaks havoc on the AAC but loses to Xavier and New Mexico. I do not understand.
1. New Mexico loses very very few games at home...check out their all time home record in the Pit.
2. New Mexico has major post player and that type of team is not a good match up for UC.
3. XU is a rivalry...throw out records, rankings, etc for rivalry games. Eg. UC's first team under Mick, a very very bad team beat Xu that year who went on to the elite 8. In 2000, the year UC was #1 most of the year with Kenyon Martin, XU beat us that year even though we smoked a number of good teams including UNC. Rivalry game...things happen. You should know this by now.
4. A team in December isn't always the same team by late Jan/early Feb. Ie teams improve over time and "find their groove".
5. Why is this even a question really?
The Bearcats have been outstanding this year and have exceeded the expectations set by the pundits. I looked back on Cincy's schedule and saw the two defeats and wondered how it happen. Y'all supplied the answers. Thanks.
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RE: How in the Heck did Cincy Lose to X and New Mexico?
A lot of us were desperately worried that those two losses were the sign of what the season would be. But the Bearcats came storming back to beat Pitt just a couple of days after that ugly Xavier loss.
Xavier and Pitt were the hinge of the season. Losing badly to X but coming back to beat Pitt on a neutral floor and in the national spotlight was the crucible that formed the character of this team.
They are going to be extremely dangerous down the stretch because they have been forged in a hot fire.
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RE: How in the Heck did Cincy Lose to X and New Mexico?
There is no doubt that UC has performed better than anybody else in the AAC so far. But, like the other top AAC teams, we all have our flaws. For UC, I think their lack of offensive firepower, and their lack of depth, will eventually become an issue, not with the lower tier AAC teams, but with the better teams late in their schedule, plus the conference tourney and the NCAAs.
Of course, they could prove me wrong. Wouldn't be the first time.
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RE: How in the Heck did Cincy Lose to X and New Mexico?
Beating Louisville this year is no accomplishment. Regardless what the record says Louisville is terrible by Louisville standards. We haven't beaten a ranked team all season. We need to just play out the string and get this season over with.
CJ
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RE: How in the Heck did Cincy Lose to X and New Mexico?
(02-01-2014 10:32 AM)TripleA Wrote: There is no doubt that UC has performed better than anybody else in the AAC so far. But, like the other top AAC teams, we all have our flaws. For UC, I think their lack of offensive firepower, and their lack of depth, will eventually become an issue, not with the lower tier AAC teams, but with the better teams late in their schedule, plus the conference tourney and the NCAAs.
Of course, they could prove me wrong. Wouldn't be the first time.
I was thinking this all year but the truth is over the last month including the last two games where UC has scored 80 and 69 points away from home, I'm not worried at all now. Think there are very few teams that will score above 65 against UC most will be at 60 or below, I think UC will do just find particularly in the NCAA tournament. Very few teams from other conf.'s have faced a team that switches and has a dominant shot blocker on defense like UC does.
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RE: How in the Heck did Cincy Lose to X and New Mexico?
Yep, the offense has looked sooo much better lately. It looked rough earlier in the conference season as Kilpatrick had a pretty rough 4-5 game stretch. But now he is back to the normal SK playing great offensive basketball and that really helps our offense. Plus, Shaquille Thomas, who may be the best NBA prospect on our roster, has really started to come into his own these past few games. If he continues to improve and play well this is a very very solid offensive team. Also, Jermaine Lawrence should be back in a week or two. He gives us another athlete to sub for Rubles and Jackson, and he has shown the ability to hit some face up jumpers.
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RE: How in the Heck did Cincy Lose to X and New Mexico?
We would have a huge shot in arm if our frosh stud F Jermaine Lawrence can come back from turf toe sooner rather than later....at his height and ability to move, defend multiple positions and score we need him down the stretch run. I'm just disappointed that he isn't playing NOW getting valuable playing time. But I'd take him for March in a heartbeat, esp from a depth point of view.
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02-01-2014 11:47 AM |
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RE: How in the Heck did Cincy Lose to X and New Mexico?
(02-01-2014 11:03 AM)CincyBro Wrote: (02-01-2014 10:32 AM)TripleA Wrote: There is no doubt that UC has performed better than anybody else in the AAC so far. But, like the other top AAC teams, we all have our flaws. For UC, I think their lack of offensive firepower, and their lack of depth, will eventually become an issue, not with the lower tier AAC teams, but with the better teams late in their schedule, plus the conference tourney and the NCAAs.
Of course, they could prove me wrong. Wouldn't be the first time.
I was thinking this all year but the truth is over the last month including the last two games where UC has scored 80 and 69 points away from home, I'm not worried at all now. Think there are very few teams that will score above 65 against UC most will be at 60 or below, I think UC will do just find particularly in the NCAA tournament. Very few teams from other conf.'s have faced a team that switches and has a dominant shot blocker on defense like UC does.
But you're still relying on your defense, and relying on Jackson and SK to stay out of foul trouble. I think the second time around for UL, UConn and Memphis, we might figure out adjustments to score more, or perhaps get JJ in foul trouble.
In either tourney, it only takes one hot shooting night from the perimeter to knock you out.
Not saying it will happen, just saying those remain your vulnerabilities. Of course, I can break down Memphis, UL and UConn the same way.
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RE: How in the Heck did Cincy Lose to X and New Mexico?
(02-01-2014 01:02 PM)TripleA Wrote: (02-01-2014 11:03 AM)CincyBro Wrote: (02-01-2014 10:32 AM)TripleA Wrote: There is no doubt that UC has performed better than anybody else in the AAC so far. But, like the other top AAC teams, we all have our flaws. For UC, I think their lack of offensive firepower, and their lack of depth, will eventually become an issue, not with the lower tier AAC teams, but with the better teams late in their schedule, plus the conference tourney and the NCAAs.
Of course, they could prove me wrong. Wouldn't be the first time.
I was thinking this all year but the truth is over the last month including the last two games where UC has scored 80 and 69 points away from home, I'm not worried at all now. Think there are very few teams that will score above 65 against UC most will be at 60 or below, I think UC will do just find particularly in the NCAA tournament. Very few teams from other conf.'s have faced a team that switches and has a dominant shot blocker on defense like UC does.
But you're still relying on your defense, and relying on Jackson and SK to stay out of foul trouble. I think the second time around for UL, UConn and Memphis, we might figure out adjustments to score more, or perhaps get JJ in foul trouble.
In either tourney, it only takes one hot shooting night from the perimeter to knock you out.
Not saying it will happen, just saying those remain your vulnerabilities. Of course, I can break down Memphis, UL and UConn the same way.
UCONN doesn't get their first crack until this Thursday. Ollie should have his guys ready. I think it will be a close game.
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RE: How in the Heck did Cincy Lose to X and New Mexico?
I am sure it will be a good game. Always is against UConn. (02-01-2014 01:08 PM)HuskyU Wrote: (02-01-2014 01:02 PM)TripleA Wrote: (02-01-2014 11:03 AM)CincyBro Wrote: (02-01-2014 10:32 AM)TripleA Wrote: There is no doubt that UC has performed better than anybody else in the AAC so far. But, like the other top AAC teams, we all have our flaws. For UC, I think their lack of offensive firepower, and their lack of depth, will eventually become an issue, not with the lower tier AAC teams, but with the better teams late in their schedule, plus the conference tourney and the NCAAs.
Of course, they could prove me wrong. Wouldn't be the first time.
I was thinking this all year but the truth is over the last month including the last two games where UC has scored 80 and 69 points away from home, I'm not worried at all now. Think there are very few teams that will score above 65 against UC most will be at 60 or below, I think UC will do just find particularly in the NCAA tournament. Very few teams from other conf.'s have faced a team that switches and has a dominant shot blocker on defense like UC does.
But you're still relying on your defense, and relying on Jackson and SK to stay out of foul trouble. I think the second time around for UL, UConn and Memphis, we might figure out adjustments to score more, or perhaps get JJ in foul trouble.
In either tourney, it only takes one hot shooting night from the perimeter to knock you out.
Not saying it will happen, just saying those remain your vulnerabilities. Of course, I can break down Memphis, UL and UConn the same way.
UCONN doesn't get their first crack until this Thursday. Ollie should have his guys ready. I think it will be a close game.
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RE: How in the Heck did Cincy Lose to X and New Mexico?
That's the spirit. (02-01-2014 10:50 AM)CardinalJim Wrote: Beating Louisville this year is no accomplishment. Regardless what the record says Louisville is terrible by Louisville standards. We haven't beaten a ranked team all season. We need to just play out the string and get this season over with.
CJ
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RE: How in the Heck did Cincy Lose to X and New Mexico?
(02-01-2014 10:50 AM)CardinalJim Wrote: Beating Louisville this year is no accomplishment. Regardless what the record says Louisville is terrible by Louisville standards. We haven't beaten a ranked team all season. We need to just play out the string and get this season over with.
CJ
I always love hearing that from fans when UC beats them. I've been hearing it for a while now.
When they lose, they just say 'Well, we aren't that good this year. Cincy isn't good. We are just bad. That's it.' UC also beat UofL two years ago when they went to the Final 4. Were they not that good then either? Not up to UofL standards. We are well aware that UofL is not as good as last year, but if you want to downplay UC and a tough road win in conference, then go ahead. No else is buying what you are selling.
Keep doubting UC, and they will just continue to prove people wrong.
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RE: How in the Heck did Cincy Lose to X and New Mexico?
(02-01-2014 02:56 PM)stxrunner Wrote: (02-01-2014 10:50 AM)CardinalJim Wrote: Beating Louisville this year is no accomplishment. Regardless what the record says Louisville is terrible by Louisville standards. We haven't beaten a ranked team all season. We need to just play out the string and get this season over with.
CJ
I always love hearing that from fans when UC beats them. I've been hearing it for a while now.
When they lose, they just say 'Well, we aren't that good this year. Cincy isn't good. We are just bad. That's it.' UC also beat UofL two years ago when they went to the Final 4. Were they not that good then either? Not up to UofL standards. We are well aware that UofL is not as good as last year, but if you want to downplay UC and a tough road win in conference, then go ahead. No else is buying what you are selling.
Keep doubting UC, and they will just continue to prove people wrong.
Remember...Louisville doesn't care until the last 10 games of the season. That starts today. UC was unfortunately the 11th game out so it doesn't matter nor really count.
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RE: How in the Heck did Cincy Lose to X and New Mexico?
(02-01-2014 10:50 AM)CardinalJim Wrote: Beating Louisville this year is no accomplishment. Regardless what the record says Louisville is terrible by Louisville standards. We haven't beaten a ranked team all season. We need to just play out the string and get this season over with.
CJ
Yeah...you're right. You guys should just forfeit the rest of the way out. Just give the team the rest of the year off and let em' think about how bad they are.
I expected better from you CJ....just sayin
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