Michigan considering a ban on small farms:

http://michiganradio.org/post/changes-co...rd-farmers

Whats really funny is that some of these farms probably qualified for pigsford settlement money..

Lol a lot of people outside of Detroit and Lansing will throw a fit about this.

I thought this was about farming. It is actually about being a considerate neighbor to those around you. This is why covenants and HOA's abound. There are lots of people that literally do not give a damn about those that live around them. Don't live somewhere that allows this stuff unless you are prepared to deal with a jackarse neighbor that decided to raise Beagles next door.

(01-31-2014 06:41 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I thought this was about farming. It is actually about being a considerate neighbor to those around you. This is why covenants and HOA's abound. There are lots of people that literally do not give a damn about those that live around them. Don't live somewhere that allows this stuff unless you are prepared to deal with a jackarse neighbor that decided to raise Beagles next door.

Let me get this right...

Man A buys farm and works it for years.

Man B buys neighboring farm and subdivides it into housing development.

Man A is in the wrong because he is hurting Man B's property value?


I'm building a hog farm on my land almost solely because of a Man B, who can go screw himself.

Jerry actually summed up how it works.

If you own a hog farm for 100 years and neighborhoods grow up around you they can force you out. It sucks but the argument is the progress of society shouldn't be slowed by holdouts, it's old school English law that is still used.

(01-31-2014 09:58 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Jerry actually summed up how it works.

If you own a hog farm for 100 years and neighborhoods grow up around you they can force you out. It sucks but the argument is the progress of society shouldn't be slowed by holdouts, it's old school English law that is still used.

It's not right but it comes down to taxes. More homes bring in more tax revenue than a hog farm I guess.

The only way they can currently force a farm out of business is to change the zoning from A-1 agricultural to commercial or residential.

(01-31-2014 09:58 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Jerry actually summed up how it works.

If you own a hog farm for 100 years and neighborhoods grow up around you they can force you out. It sucks but the argument is the progress of society shouldn't be slowed by holdouts, it's old school English law that is still used.

I can see both sides to that argument. I've heard stories of holdouts that were offered shop space in the new locale that would benefit them and everyone else. But they wouldn't do it.

No easy answer to this, except an even older tradition: Do unto others as you'd have them do unto you.

(01-31-2014 10:36 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(01-31-2014 09:58 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Jerry actually summed up how it works.

If you own a hog farm for 100 years and neighborhoods grow up around you they can force you out. It sucks but the argument is the progress of society shouldn't be slowed by holdouts, it's old school English law that is still used.

I can see both sides to that argument. I've heard stories of holdouts that were offered shop space in the new locale that would benefit them and everyone else. But they wouldn't do it.

No easy answer to this, except an even older tradition: Do unto others as you'd have them do unto you.

Yea, I'm the same.

The idea of being forced out by neighbors is sort of antithetical to our idea of being independent Americans. At the same time, we can't develop if a small group, or lone person, wants to hang on.

I've seen some really ugly cases on this sort of thing. They get downright nasty. It's always pissed of redneck versus uber liberal yuppie.

(01-31-2014 10:39 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It's always pissed of redneck versus uber liberal yuppie.

Wrong. It can often be uber rich Republican vs. poor redneck.

Money knows no boundaries.

(01-31-2014 11:29 AM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  

(01-31-2014 10:39 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It's always pissed of redneck versus uber liberal yuppie.

Wrong. It can often be uber rich Republican vs. poor redneck.

Money knows no boundaries.

WRONG

I'm talking about the cases I've seen.

Use context clues next time.

(01-31-2014 10:39 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(01-31-2014 10:36 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(01-31-2014 09:58 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Jerry actually summed up how it works.

If you own a hog farm for 100 years and neighborhoods grow up around you they can force you out. It sucks but the argument is the progress of society shouldn't be slowed by holdouts, it's old school English law that is still used.

I can see both sides to that argument. I've heard stories of holdouts that were offered shop space in the new locale that would benefit them and everyone else. But they wouldn't do it.

No easy answer to this, except an even older tradition: Do unto others as you'd have them do unto you.

Yea, I'm the same.

The idea of being forced out by neighbors is sort of antithetical to our idea of being independent Americans. At the same time, we can't develop if a small group, or lone person, wants to hang on.

I've seen some really ugly cases on this sort of thing. They get downright nasty. It's always pissed of redneck versus uber liberal yuppie.

It reminds me of Oceana NAS in Va Beach. That Air Station is over 60 years old, but because of the jet noise and the built up environment around it, residents want the Navy to close it and relocate somewhere else.

(01-31-2014 03:08 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(01-31-2014 11:29 AM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  

(01-31-2014 10:39 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It's always pissed of redneck versus uber liberal yuppie.

Wrong. It can often be uber rich Republican vs. poor redneck.

Money knows no boundaries.

WRONG

I'm talking about the cases I've seen.

Use context clues next time.

The context clue I tuned into was the word "ALWAYS".

Don't use always if you're talking about sometimes, next time.

(01-31-2014 04:08 PM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  

(01-31-2014 03:08 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(01-31-2014 11:29 AM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  

(01-31-2014 10:39 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It's always pissed of redneck versus uber liberal yuppie.

Wrong. It can often be uber rich Republican vs. poor redneck.

Money knows no boundaries.

WRONG

I'm talking about the cases I've seen.

Use context clues next time.

The context clue I tuned into was the word "ALWAYS".

Don't use always if you're talking about sometimes, next time.

I'll redirect you to the word context again.

(01-31-2014 04:19 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(01-31-2014 04:08 PM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  

(01-31-2014 03:08 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(01-31-2014 11:29 AM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  

(01-31-2014 10:39 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It's always pissed of redneck versus uber liberal yuppie.

Wrong. It can often be uber rich Republican vs. poor redneck.

Money knows no boundaries.

WRONG

I'm talking about the cases I've seen.

Use context clues next time.

The context clue I tuned into was the word "ALWAYS".

Don't use always if you're talking about sometimes, next time.

I'll redirect you to the word context again.

As always, sometimes except when convenient and critically usually not important.

Maybe I am misunderstanding this, but it appears to me like all they are saying is that if you decide to start keeping farm animals at your house in a residential area you won't be covered.

I get this. Who wants to live next to someone who decides that they want to start raising geese, turkeys, ducks or pigs in a subdivision?

(01-31-2014 09:08 PM)blah Wrote:  Maybe I am misunderstanding this, but it appears to me like all they are saying is that if you decide to start keeping farm animals at your house in a residential area you won't be covered.

I get this. Who wants to live next to someone who decides that they want to start raising geese, turkeys, ducks or pigs in a subdivision?

I agree. Farm animals smell bad.

(01-31-2014 09:13 AM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  

(01-31-2014 06:41 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I thought this was about farming. It is actually about being a considerate neighbor to those around you. This is why covenants and HOA's abound. There are lots of people that literally do not give a damn about those that live around them. Don't live somewhere that allows this stuff unless you are prepared to deal with a jackarse neighbor that decided to raise Beagles next door.

Let me get this right...

Man A buys farm and works it for years.

Man B buys neighboring farm and subdivides it into housing development.

Man A is in the wrong because he is hurting Man B's property value?


I'm building a hog farm on my land almost solely because of a Man B, who can go screw himself.

You are talking about a different scenario. I would in that case support A because IMO he is grandfathered. Of course...progress and politicians often trumps this. I would suggest B subdivide also...and retire.

Guess the Libs will eventually require every house to come with a cow
for milk, laying chickens for eggs, a rooster for an alarm clock and the chickens,
a pig for pork, etc.
That and solar panels, a couple of wind turbines, etc.
Self sufficiency. Not having to burn petrol to transport food.