(01-28-2014 12:36 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  yeah, but the AAC loses UL and Rutgers right? and maybe the A-10 is shooting a tad high...by the time this year plays out, it may take on a different shape

For schools like USM and La Tech, it would seriously fill an OOC need.

...also thinking there would be a media benefit gained in december.

Why because UConn, Cincy, and Memphis need to play USM, La Tech, and MTSU as well as return a game the following year? They can schedule about who they want to anyway and guarantee games. You also make it sound like the conference is decimated by losses after this year.

#13 Cincinnati
#22 Memphis
UConn 26th vote getter
SMU 34th vote getter

That's probably 3 to 4 NCAA teams and likely a couple of deep NCAA even possible legit national title contenders there. SMU brings in a top 3 projected lottery pick one and done player next year and could even contend for a national title with a coach like Larry Brown and that kind of talent they've added since leaving. They'll have 2 McDonalds AA's. You talk about what you gain, but what is there to gain for them when they already schedule about what they want. They would be far more likely to get a challenge set up with the Big East or A10 if they wanted one. TV would probably get behind a Big East challenge with the split.

(01-28-2014 12:52 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 12:36 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  yeah, but the AAC loses UL and Rutgers right? and maybe the A-10 is shooting a tad high...by the time this year plays out, it may take on a different shape

For schools like USM and La Tech, it would seriously fill an OOC need.

...also thinking there would be a media benefit gained in december.

Why because UConn, Cincy, and Memphis need to play USM, La Tech, and MTSU as well as return a game the following year? They can schedule about who they want to anyway and guarantee games. You also make it sound like the conference is decimated by losses after this year.

#13 Cincinnati
#22 Memphis
UConn 26th vote getter
SMU 34th vote getter

That's probably 3 to 4 NCAA teams and likely a couple of deep NCAA even possible legit national title contenders there. SMU brings in a top 3 projected lottery pick one and done player next year and could even contend for a national title with a coach like Larry Brown and that kind of talent they've added since leaving. They'll have 2 McDonalds AA's. You talk about what you gain, but what is there to gain for them when they already schedule about what they want. They would be far more likely to get a challenge set up with the Big East or A10 if they wanted one. TV would probably get behind a Big East challenge with the split.

not biting....bye bye

Bitting? You are the one that introduced this fantasy challenge idea. Just use a little common sense, why would UConn or Cincy want to travel down to USM? What is in it for them when they can schedule about anyone they want. Even the ODU fan said it wasn't attainable, and then you still start talking about it like he was wrong and it was and was decimated by losses etc.

(01-28-2014 01:22 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Bitting? You are the one that introduced this far fetched fantasy challenge idea like those programs owe you something or would ever go for it. Just use a little common sense, why would UConn want to travel down to USM? What is in it for them when they can schedule about anyone they want. Even the ODU fan said it wasn't attainable, and they you still start talking about it like it was and was decimated by losses and on the level.

Just take this **** to the AAC board and have a good laugh there. You don't have to tell us how much better they are then us. You don't have to post fact after fact that isn't relevant to C-USA. We get it, you think the AAC is miles ahead of C-USA. Good luck when you move there. If you want to talk in depth about the conference, they have a board.

(01-28-2014 01:25 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  Just take this **** to the AAC board and have a good laugh there. You don't have to tell us how much better they are then us. You don't have to post fact after fact that isn't relevant to C-USA.

Stinky introduced this idea, and an ODU fan told him it was far fetched and not attainable, not me. Get it straight. Then stinky went on to talk about teams lost like it was, and I just asked where is the logic for schools like UConn to play at USM? Where is it, maybe you would like to help him out if you think he is on to something.

Quote:We get it, you think the AAC is miles ahead of C-USA.

I didn't say that. I posted current poll rankings when he suggested the conference wasn't going to be very good. What do you think? What's the nation think? What's TV think? Those would be better questions and relevant to what this guy introduced. Hey but what ever , even the ODU fan told him he was wrong.

(01-28-2014 01:31 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 01:25 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  Just take this **** to the AAC board and have a good laugh there. You don't have to tell us how much better they are then us. You don't have to post fact after fact that isn't relevant to C-USA.

Stinky introduced this idea, and an ODU fan told him it was far fetched and not attainable, not me. Get it straight. Then stinky went on to talk about teams lost like it was, and I just asked where is the logic for schools like UConn to play at USM? Where is it, maybe you would like to help him out if you think he is on to something.

Quote:We get it, you think the AAC is miles ahead of C-USA.

I didn't say that. I posted current poll rankings when he suggested the conference wasn't going to be very good. What do you think? What's the nation think? What's TV think? Those would be better questions and relevant to what this guy introduced. Hey but what ever , even the ODU fan told him he was wrong.

I agree the ODU fan told him was wrong. You came pimping the freaking AAC with all your facts and stats about them. I agree with you for what it's worth, just take this **** to their board. We don't need to read about it here, especially when it's coming from you.

(01-28-2014 01:45 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  I agree the ODU fan told him was wrong. You came pimping the freaking AAC with all your facts and stats about them. I agree with you for what it's worth, just take this **** to their board. We don't need to read about it here, especially when it's coming from you.

Fine, I'll leave you with these awesome and fresh ideas from Stinky

(01-28-2014 01:47 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 01:45 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  I agree the ODU fan told him was wrong. You came pimping the freaking AAC with all your facts and stats about them. I agree with you for what it's worth, just take this **** to their board. We don't need to read about it here, especially when it's coming from you.

Fine, I'll leave you with these awesome and fresh ideas from Stinky

you really do make me laugh....just gotta suck to be you man

maybe I should be flattered that you trolled me w/o an sj verbal reference....my telepathic mind control is gushing right now....

have I hit the big top with you like this guy....holy fk

(01-28-2014 01:47 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 01:45 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  I agree the ODU fan told him was wrong. You came pimping the freaking AAC with all your facts and stats about them. I agree with you for what it's worth, just take this **** to their board. We don't need to read about it here, especially when it's coming from you.

Fine, I'll leave you with these awesome and fresh ideas from Stinky

It's better than hearing about the rankings of AAC teams and how many McDonald's All Americans they have.

His original ideas are also piles of that smell like his name. BTW I guess it's cool though if you are downing those schools or starting threads on this board about those same recruits when there is a sniff of wrong doing with their transcripts.

(01-28-2014 02:14 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  His original ideas are also piles of that smell like his name. BTW I guess it's cool though if you are downing those schools or starting threads on this board about those same recruits when there is a sniff of wrong doing with their transcripts.

I don't particularly care about those either, but that person hasn't come into 85 different CUSA threads telling us how many All Americans SMU has.

(01-28-2014 02:50 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 02:14 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  His original ideas are also piles of that smell like his name. BTW I guess it's cool though if you are downing those schools or starting threads on this board about those same recruits when there is a sniff of wrong doing with their transcripts.

I don't particularly care about those either, but that person hasn't come into 85 different CUSA threads telling us how many All Americans SMU has.

Looks like maybe the "Carolina Way" has made it all the way to SMU. That may explain things.

(01-28-2014 01:31 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 01:25 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  Just take this **** to the AAC board and have a good laugh there. You don't have to tell us how much better they are then us. You don't have to post fact after fact that isn't relevant to C-USA.

Stinky introduced this idea, and an ODU fan told him it was far fetched and not attainable, not me. Get it straight. Then stinky went on to talk about teams lost like it was, and I just asked where is the logic for schools like UConn to play at USM? Where is it, maybe you would like to help him out if you think he is on to something.

Quote:We get it, you think the AAC is miles ahead of C-USA.

I didn't say that. I posted current poll rankings when he suggested the conference wasn't going to be very good. What do you think? What's the nation think? What's TV think? Those would be better questions and relevant to what this guy introduced. Hey but what ever , even the ODU fan told him he was wrong.

I know one easy way for CUSA to get better...ship ECU to the AAC. That's an instant RPI boost for us.

(01-28-2014 04:22 PM)Maryland Monarch Wrote:  I know one easy way for CUSA to get better...ship ECU to the AAC. That's an instant RPI boost for us.

It wouldn't have the last 3 years, nor do I suspect it does the next 3 years considering we would have one of the best recruiting classes in CUSA and have like one of three 4 star player coming in next year signed by current CUSA 3.0 schools. Our average RPI the last 4 years under Lebo and with current seniors is still higher than ODU's as well and upper half of CUSA 3.0. You guys have already said a couple times (of which I let go) that it was better for CUSA 3.0 to lose us but it's not really true. We have the highest budget in CUSA, an upper half drawing team (more than your flagship USM), have performed well overall to most of the schools under Lebo by comparison, and are currently recruiting near the top. Tulsa isn't a good loss either.

(01-28-2014 04:40 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Our average RPI the last 4 years under Lebo and with current seniors is still higher than ODU's as well and upper half of CUSA 3.0.

Current
ODU - 169
ECU - 224

2012-13
ODU - 318 (YIKES!!!!)
ECU - 104

2011-12
ODU - 103
ECU - 164

2010-11
ODU - 20
ECU - 96

2009-10
ODU - 27
ECU - 231

Average
ODU - 127.4
ECU - 163.8

Source: http://www.realtimerpi.com/

That 5th year you posted was not under Lebo or with any current class or player that are in college.

4 years is not selective, it accounts for this current senior classes success which is pretty standard for program to measure itself by, and also happens to be when our current coach arrived. So you've never heard of anyone talking about a current senior class winning this number or that number of games? Yep real selective stuff.

ECU 147
ODU 153


Also this year is barely over half over and wouldn't count as much as the others at this point if you really wanted to do it correctly. Point is look in the mirror or better yet look around if you think we got a horrible program anymore by comparison to some of these others since Lebo got here, especially not with the talent we have coming in this year to add to current freshman White and Stith we pulled out of Virginia.

(01-28-2014 05:22 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  That 5th year you posted was not under Lebo or with any current class or player that are in college.

4 years is not selective, it accounts for this current senior classes success which is pretty standard for program to measure itself by, and also happens to be when our current coach arrived. So you've never heard of anyone talking about a current senior class winning this number or that number of games? Yep real selective stuff.

ECU 147
ODU 153


Also this year is barely over half over and wouldn't count as much as the others at this point if you really wanted to do it correctly. Point is look in the mirror or better yet look around if you think we got a horrible program anymore by comparison to some of these others since Lebo got here.

Quote:"Whilst the mean is used in many statistical methods it is not always a good summary statistic...its weakness as a summary statistic is that it is sensitive to outlying values."

http://www.brighton-webs.co.uk/statistics/mean.aspx

...but it can make some people feel good.

(01-28-2014 05:34 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  Is this really an argument? ODU has been in the tournament 4 times in the last 10 years. ECU hasn't been since 1993.

ODU is a major upgrade.

Was UTSA and their 700 fans a game a major upgrade? They didn't specify to who, they just said it was good for the conf "RPI" for us to leave which has not been the case since Lebo or this current senior class got here compared to many teams in CUSA 3.0.

Who from 10 years ago is still around at any of our schools? Your AD Mike Hammrick was still at ECU back then even. Things change, coaches change, players graduate, conf situations change, etc. That's a lot more selective of stuff no longer touching any of our programs in any way and in many far different situation even the last few years.

We are recruiting better than schools like ODU now, even beat them on the first recruit I can ever remember beating them on getting Zangari head to head, as well as took some very good players from Virginia in this class. That never used to happen and they all will impact our program for the next few years.

(01-28-2014 05:47 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 05:34 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  Is this really an argument? ODU has been in the tournament 4 times in the last 10 years. ECU hasn't been since 1993.

ODU is a major upgrade.

Was UTSA and their 700 fans a game a major upgrade? They didn't specify to who, they just said it was good for the conf "RPI" for us to leave which has not been the case since Lebo or this current senior class got here compared to many teams. Who from 10 years ago is still around at any of our schools? Hell your AD Mike Hammrick was still at ECU back then. Things change, coaches change, players graduate and get jobs, conf situations change, etc. That's a lot more selective of stuff no longer touching any of our programs in any way and in many far different the last few years.

I think that was called a "jab" (a joke). But for you to suggest that ECU's basketball program has somehow surpassed ODU's based on a mean average over the last four years is disingenuous. You forgot to point out that your RPI was better than ODU's exactly once, and that had more to do with ODU than ECU.

(01-28-2014 05:47 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 05:34 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  Is this really an argument? ODU has been in the tournament 4 times in the last 10 years. ECU hasn't been since 1993.

ODU is a major upgrade.

Was UTSA and their 700 fans a game a major upgrade? They didn't specify to who, they just said it was good for the conf "RPI" for us to leave which has not been the case since Lebo or this current senior class got here compared to many teams in CUSA 3.0.

Who from 10 years ago is still around at any of our schools? Your AD Mike Hammrick was still at ECU back then even. Things change, coaches change, players graduate, conf situations change, etc. That's a lot more selective of stuff no longer touching any of our programs in any way and in many far different situation even the last few years.

We are recruiting better than schools like ODU now, even beat them on the first recruit I can ever remember beating them on getting Zangari head to head, as well as took some very good players from Virginia in this class. That never used to happen and they all will impact our program for the next few years.

You beat them for a recruit. They beat you on the court.

I forgot, you don't like to talk about the results of games.