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Think our TV deal sucks? Undefeated Wichita State isn't even on a TV tonight...
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our tv deal is amazing. $$$ isn't that great as we'd like but the exposure is tremendous.
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(01-28-2014 07:09 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  our tv deal is amazing. $$$ isn't that great as we'd like but the exposure is tremendous.

People still ***** about it though


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(01-28-2014 07:15 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  
(01-28-2014 07:09 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  our tv deal is amazing. $$$ isn't that great as we'd like but the exposure is tremendous.

People still ***** about it though


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Well to be fair the money is horrific. The exposure in hoops though is extremely good. Football is yet to be seen but if it's as good comparatively as the basketball then all things considered the TV deal will be a good thing long term.
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(01-28-2014 07:09 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  our tv deal is amazing. $$$ isn't that great as we'd like but the exposure is tremendous.

The money is gawd-awful, and that easily trumps "exposure".

But coming from C-USA, you guys never made any money anyway so I understand why you feel the way you do.
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(01-28-2014 07:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-28-2014 07:09 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  our tv deal is amazing. $$$ isn't that great as we'd like but the exposure is tremendous.

The money is gawd-awful, and that easily trumps "exposure".

But coming from C-USA, you guys never made any money anyway so I understand why you feel the way you do.

maybe, but usf never did anything with the money they got, so whats the point of crying about it?
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(01-28-2014 07:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-28-2014 07:09 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  our tv deal is amazing. $$$ isn't that great as we'd like but the exposure is tremendous.

The money is gawd-awful, and that easily trumps "exposure".

But coming from C-USA, you guys never made any money anyway so I understand why you feel the way you do.

I disagree. Memphis got a long segment called "The Dunk Show" on ESPN the other night that would have cost hundreds of thousands to produce and pay for a similar ad, if they would even agree to run it.

Almost all our games in both sports are on national cable or broadcast networks now. That helps immensely with recognition and recruiting. The AAC universities will just find another way to bridge that gap, with more fund raising, higher student fees, etc. Plus, for this contract, we have an extra few million each, depending on old vs. new schools, to help, too.

Would it be better with an extra $15-18M or so? Absolutely, but fans and recruits don't give a damn about that.

Just don't see how you can say the extra money "easily trumps exposure."
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Fans, players, and recruits have no idea how much each school receives from their media deal. They do care if their team is on TV and more importantly if their games will be on ESPN.
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(01-28-2014 07:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-28-2014 07:09 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  our tv deal is amazing. $$$ isn't that great as we'd like but the exposure is tremendous.

The money is gawd-awful, and that easily trumps "exposure".

But coming from C-USA, you guys never made any money anyway so I understand why you feel the way you do.

lol. You guys never made much off TV either. The current deal improves exposure over the old Big East contract and pays about a 1.2 million a team less annually than your old contract (not exactly the Big-12). Its basically a small step down money wise for the old teams--but not that much. The old teams just didn't get the big raise everyone thought was coming.
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(01-28-2014 07:42 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(01-28-2014 07:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-28-2014 07:09 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  our tv deal is amazing. $$$ isn't that great as we'd like but the exposure is tremendous.

The money is gawd-awful, and that easily trumps "exposure".

But coming from C-USA, you guys never made any money anyway so I understand why you feel the way you do.

I disagree. Memphis got a long segment called "The Dunk Show" on ESPN the other night that would have cost hundreds of thousands to produce and pay for a similar ad, if they would even agree to run it.

Almost all our games in both sports are on national cable or broadcast networks now. That helps immensely with recognition and recruiting. The AAC universities will just find another way to bridge that gap, with more fund raising, higher student fees, etc. Plus, for this contract, we have an extra few million each, depending on old vs. new schools, to help, too.

Would it be better with an extra $15-18M or so? Absolutely, but fans and recruits don't give a damn about that.

Just don't see how you can say the extra money "easily trumps exposure."

Well it depends on how much "extra money" we are talking about. If we were saying the choices were P5 money but mediocre to bad exposure or what we have right now then yes that would easily trump exposure. However, since that clearly was never going to happen if the choices were something in the ball park of MWC/C-USA TV exposure for 4 million a year or what we have right now I'd take what we have. My main reason for extreme skepticism about the exposure aspects of the deal originally were that I had a real fear that a lot of the "televised" games were actually going to be ESPN3 games. It appears that fear was unfounded, so for me as more and more time passes the TV deal appears better and better. When compared to the other G5 deals it's not even in the same conversation.
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ESPN is making alot of money on this conference. They paid pennies for the contract and are raking in millions returns.
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(01-28-2014 07:56 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(01-28-2014 07:42 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(01-28-2014 07:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-28-2014 07:09 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  our tv deal is amazing. $$$ isn't that great as we'd like but the exposure is tremendous.

The money is gawd-awful, and that easily trumps "exposure".

But coming from C-USA, you guys never made any money anyway so I understand why you feel the way you do.

I disagree. Memphis got a long segment called "The Dunk Show" on ESPN the other night that would have cost hundreds of thousands to produce and pay for a similar ad, if they would even agree to run it.

Almost all our games in both sports are on national cable or broadcast networks now. That helps immensely with recognition and recruiting. The AAC universities will just find another way to bridge that gap, with more fund raising, higher student fees, etc. Plus, for this contract, we have an extra few million each, depending on old vs. new schools, to help, too.

Would it be better with an extra $15-18M or so? Absolutely, but fans and recruits don't give a damn about that.

Just don't see how you can say the extra money "easily trumps exposure."

Well it depends on how much "extra money" we are talking about. If we were saying the choices were P5 money but mediocre to bad exposure or what we have right now then yes that would easily trump exposure. However, since that clearly was never going to happen if the choices were something in the ball park of MWC/C-USA TV exposure for 4 million a year or what we have right now I'd take what we have. My main reason for extreme skepticism about the exposure aspects of the deal originally were that I had a real fear that a lot of the "televised" games were actually going to be ESPN3 games. It appears that fear was unfounded, so for me as more and more time passes the TV deal appears better and better. When compared to the other G5 deals it's not even in the same conversation.

I'm not sure I even agree with that. Certainly, not correct with our money now, as you said, or Quo's big 'ol $3,2M TV money the old BE made, lol.

But even if we could get P5 money, if we had the exposure of CUSA or the Sun Belt, I think we would find that, for fans and recruits, and for the ability to sustain a program, and improve general enrollment, the exposure still wins out, in the long run.
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(01-28-2014 07:58 PM)Crazier Wrote:  ESPN is making alot of money on this conference. They paid pennies for the contract and are raking in millions returns.

There's no doubt they are. They got a power basketball conference and a pretty solid football conference next to nothing. That's the price we paid for negotiating a TV deal at the worst possible time. If we were negotiating it right now with all the grant of rights that have been signed and some of the positive things that have happened in both football and basketball I realistically think we'd have gotten a good bit more money.
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(01-28-2014 08:08 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I'm not sure I even agree with that. Certainly, not correct with our money now, as you said, or Quo's big 'ol $3,2M TV money the old BE made, lol.

But even if we could get P5 money, if we had the exposure of CUSA or the Sun Belt, I think we would find that, for fans and recruits, and for the ability to sustain a program, and improve general enrollment, the exposure still wins out, in the long run.

I think P5 money over the long haul would outweigh exposure, but that argument really doesn't matter because P5 money only comes with great exposure as well. A more reasonable discussion to have is would you rather have the new Big East's TV deal or the AAC's? Throw out the fact that it's just for basketball, but do you think we'd be better off on FS1, 2, and CBSSN for 4 million or the ESPN family and CBSN for 2?
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(01-28-2014 08:17 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(01-28-2014 08:08 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I'm not sure I even agree with that. Certainly, not correct with our money now, as you said, or Quo's big 'ol $3,2M TV money the old BE made, lol.

But even if we could get P5 money, if we had the exposure of CUSA or the Sun Belt, I think we would find that, for fans and recruits, and for the ability to sustain a program, and improve general enrollment, the exposure still wins out, in the long run.

I think P5 money over the long haul would outweigh exposure, but that argument really doesn't matter because P5 money only comes with great exposure as well. A more reasonable discussion to have is would you rather have the new Big East's TV deal or the AAC's? Throw out the fact that it's just for basketball, but do you think we'd be better off on FS1, 2, and CBSSN for 4 million or the ESPN family and CBSN for 2?

ESPN for sure. I don't see the big east on tv now. Heck I even saw Memphis football on tv a couple of times this year. Back in the day I had to keep up with Memphis football on gametracker.
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The Valley for years now has had a deal to show games on Fox Sports Midwest as well as CSN-Chicago... It is what it is.

Obviously Wichita is doing incredible things right now, but for years The Valley has been a very overlooked Conference. I hope they can get back to the times of a consistent three spots in the Big Dance.
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(01-28-2014 07:25 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  
(01-28-2014 07:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-28-2014 07:09 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  our tv deal is amazing. $$$ isn't that great as we'd like but the exposure is tremendous.

The money is gawd-awful, and that easily trumps "exposure".

But coming from C-USA, you guys never made any money anyway so I understand why you feel the way you do.

maybe, but usf never did anything with the money they got, so whats the point of crying about it?

Very interesting. 07-coffee3
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Talking about the TV deal, regardless IF the Big East accepted than 10 Mill a school deal, I would see the schools dipping out asap anyway. We would be in the same situation we are in now, which they would have lowered that 10 Mill per school to the same that they are paying us now...

This is their 'Market price' for us until one of our schools takes in a huge chunk of eyeballs every Basketball/Football game

then we'd go to the 'P5'
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The people criticizing the deal never believed the details in the deal that many of us were quoting about the amount of games on "NATIONAL" stations... ABC, ESPN, ESPN2, and now ESPN U... NBC thought it won the contract by doubling ESPN's offer and being specific on the number of games broadcast on networks with enough households to be considered "NATIONAL." The reality is, thanks to the clause in the old deal, ESPN only had to match NBC to win, NBC didn't get to counter, which could have driven the money up... NBC thought it went high enough and had the trump with the P5 level of nationally televised games (football and basketball) to block ESPN... but that didn't happen ESPN matched and the money didn't go any higher, but the coverage is more than double ESPN's initial offer.

Football coverage in 2014 (the first year under the new deal, as this past season rounded out the last of the old Big East deal) will be more than double the games broadcast - with now a minimum # of conference games weekly (on ABC, ESPN, ESPN2, or ESPNU), with basically all conference games broadcast somewhere - ESPN3, regional, etc...
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(01-29-2014 01:06 AM)IceJus10 Wrote:  The people criticizing the deal never believed the details in the deal that many of us were quoting about the amount of games on "NATIONAL" stations... ABC, ESPN, ESPN2, and now ESPN U... NBC thought it won the contract by doubling ESPN's offer and being specific on the number of games broadcast on networks with enough households to be considered "NATIONAL." The reality is, thanks to the clause in the old deal, ESPN only had to match NBC to win, NBC didn't get to counter, which could have driven the money up... NBC thought it went high enough and had the trump with the P5 level of nationally televised games (football and basketball) to block ESPN... but that didn't happen ESPN matched and the money didn't go any higher, but the coverage is more than double ESPN's initial offer.

Football coverage in 2014 (the first year under the new deal, as this past season rounded out the last of the old Big East deal) will be more than double the games broadcast - with now a minimum # of conference games weekly (on ABC, ESPN, ESPN2, or ESPNU), with basically all conference games broadcast somewhere - ESPN3, regional, etc...

To be clear, NBC could have counter offered (in which case, ESPN would again have the opportunity to match). NBC simply chose not counter offer. It seems to me that NBC is willing to pay top dollar for premium content but will only buy second tier content if they can get it for virtually nothing. They would rather show golf, ice skating, and Ivy League football than pay 20% of the P5 cost for G5 content. It's best we avoided NBC-Sports as our product would have been placed side by side with the cheapest least costly bargain basement programming available.
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