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RE: 1/27/14 - AP & Coaches Poll. La Tech and USM getting votes.
(01-28-2014 10:13 AM)nastybunch Wrote:  
(01-28-2014 10:02 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  
(01-28-2014 08:18 AM)nastybunch Wrote:  
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(01-27-2014 11:09 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  Been playing buy games for 50 years to no avail here. Long overdue to quit doing it. Didn't work last year either. The Committee will use the big loss at Louisville against us if we don't win the tournament. You will see. Happens every year to teams like us... And happened to us last year.

No, the loss to Marshall cost us last year. We had a shot as an at-large until we loss that game. (was it a lock? Nope), but that game costs us.

Nope, playing whore games on the road once again cost us. It gave the committee something to point at and say...."See, we told you they don't belong". When will we ever learn. Gotta play on neutral courts against them in tournaments, or do not play them at all...

The selection committee did not point to that game last year. You lost by 8 at Arizona, nobody cares about a loss like that, it's competitive. You had shots against Arizona, La Tech, Wichita State, and NMSU. Your problem was you lost all those games. You beat Denver. That was literally your best win OOC, and best win overall. You had three shots against Memphis, and lost all of those. You also had one super WTF loss to Marshall. Put it altogether and the blind resume looked like this:

RPI: 31
SOS: 74
vs top 50: 0-5
vs 51-100: 3-2
1 loss to a 200+ team, 1 loss to a 101-200 team

If that wasn't Southern Miss, and you didn't have any tie to the team, you would say there was no way that team belonged in the tournament.(and as a member of the conference, I want Southern Miss in the tournament and thought they were a tournament team last year)

I'm afraid Southern Miss is headed for a similar fate this year(especially with another loss or two):

RPI 36
SOS 131
1-1 vs the top 50
3-1 vs the top 100
2 losses 101-200

Yep, and we lost the games that we played on the road...with no return
game....

:rolleyes: b/c not having return games has relevance on winning a game
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RE: 1/27/14 - AP & Coaches Poll. La Tech and USM getting votes.
Remove the Louisville game and USM still has no shot at an at large. You simply don't get into the tournament when your best OOC wins are NDSU and Drexel. Win that UL game on the other hand though and you likely get benefit of the doubt and get in.

UL was really the key to USM getting an at large this year and they failed that test. Gotta give yourself more than 1 opportunity for a legitimately good win. Scheduling like nastybunch wants to will result in good NIT seeds every year, but not an at-large berth.

USM really needs to get itself into a good pre-season tournament if they are unable to get anyone decent on the OOC on their own. At least that will provide the opportunity for 2-3 good match ups.
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(01-28-2014 10:52 AM)Niner National Wrote:  Remove the Louisville game and USM still has no shot at an at large. You simply don't get into the tournament when your best OOC wins are NDSU and Drexel. Win that UL game on the other hand though and you likely get benefit of the doubt and get in.

UL was really the key to USM getting an at large this year and they failed that test. Gotta give yourself more than 1 opportunity for a legitimately good win. Scheduling like nastybunch wants to will result in good NIT seeds every year, but not an at-large berth.

USM really needs to get itself into a good pre-season tournament if they are unable to get anyone decent on the OOC on their own. At least that will provide the opportunity for 2-3 good match ups.

That's what I've been saying too. Replace those RPI top 50 losses from the year before with games against teams 200+ at home, and what changes on that resume? A SOS that is worse? A few more wins? Nothing that the committee will care about.

People can not like the way the Selection Committee operates, but they have been pretty consistent in the way they select teams the last 8 years or so. If your OOC SOS sucks, they don't care if you go 15-0. If you play a crap OOC SOS, you better win your league, and it better be a pretty decent league. Top 50 wins matter. They don't care when, where, or how they happen, just that they are there. These are likely tournament/bubble teams. Top 100 wins matter. It's not always the easiest thing in the world to schedule top 50 games(you can't always tell which teams these will be) so the top 100 still has meaning. Play some road games, and win more than you lose. Advanced metrics do matter at least a little bit. Don't lose games outside of the top 100, especially to teams 200+.
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RE: 1/27/14 - AP & Coaches Poll. La Tech and USM getting votes.
(01-28-2014 10:52 AM)Niner National Wrote:  Remove the Louisville game and USM still has no shot at an at large. You simply don't get into the tournament when your best OOC wins are NDSU and Drexel. Win that UL game on the other hand though and you likely get benefit of the doubt and get in.

UL was really the key to USM getting an at large this year and they failed that test. Gotta give yourself more than 1 opportunity for a legitimately good win. Scheduling like nastybunch wants to will result in good NIT seeds every year, but not an at-large berth.

USM really needs to get itself into a good pre-season tournament if they are unable to get anyone decent on the OOC on their own. At least that will provide the opportunity for 2-3 good match ups.

totally agree....UL sticks out b/c it was really our only top notch test...it's an eyesore through isolation....losing by 30 coupled with that makes it really look ugly.

we have to play in better december tournaments
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RE: 1/27/14 - AP & Coaches Poll. La Tech and USM getting votes.
(01-28-2014 10:52 AM)Niner National Wrote:  Remove the Louisville game and USM still has no shot at an at large. You simply don't get into the tournament when your best OOC wins are NDSU and Drexel. Win that UL game on the other hand though and you likely get benefit of the doubt and get in.

UL was really the key to USM getting an at large this year and they failed that test. Gotta give yourself more than 1 opportunity for a legitimately good win. Scheduling like nastybunch wants to will result in good NIT seeds every year, but not an at-large berth.

USM really needs to get itself into a good pre-season tournament if they are unable to get anyone decent on the OOC on their own. At least that will provide the opportunity for 2-3 good match ups.

Let's see how this season plays out first. We have a winning record vs. the Top 100 and a top 50 win. Just because that top 50 win is NDSU and not some "big name" school you want to discount it, but it shouldn't be.
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(01-28-2014 01:05 PM)EaglehasLanded Wrote:  
(01-28-2014 10:52 AM)Niner National Wrote:  Remove the Louisville game and USM still has no shot at an at large. You simply don't get into the tournament when your best OOC wins are NDSU and Drexel. Win that UL game on the other hand though and you likely get benefit of the doubt and get in.

UL was really the key to USM getting an at large this year and they failed that test. Gotta give yourself more than 1 opportunity for a legitimately good win. Scheduling like nastybunch wants to will result in good NIT seeds every year, but not an at-large berth.

USM really needs to get itself into a good pre-season tournament if they are unable to get anyone decent on the OOC on their own. At least that will provide the opportunity for 2-3 good match ups.

Let's see how this season plays out first. We have a winning record vs. the Top 100 and a top 50 win. Just because that top 50 win is NDSU and not some "big name" school you want to discount it, but it shouldn't be.

North Dakota State has a 4 point win at a very mediocre Notre Dame, and
a 19 point win over Delaware. They have 5 top 100 games on their schedule, and are 2-3 in those games, including 0-3 vs the top 50. They also have an 18 point loss at RPI 247 North Dakota. This is a case of having a lot of winnable road games and inflating an RPI. It's not a top 50 team, despite what the RPI shows.
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RE: 1/27/14 - AP & Coaches Poll. La Tech and USM getting votes.
(01-28-2014 10:52 AM)Niner National Wrote:  Remove the Louisville game and USM still has no shot at an at large. You simply don't get into the tournament when your best OOC wins are NDSU and Drexel. Win that UL game on the other hand though and you likely get benefit of the doubt and get in.

UL was really the key to USM getting an at large this year and they failed that test. Gotta give yourself more than 1 opportunity for a legitimately good win. Scheduling like nastybunch wants to will result in good NIT seeds every year, but not an at-large berth.

USM really needs to get itself into a good pre-season tournament if they are unable to get anyone decent on the OOC on their own. At least that will provide the opportunity for 2-3 good match ups.

Just like last year, this is going to be another game of 'what if?' For us. Last year, it was "what if we pull out a win against Arizona or Wichita state?", "what if east Carolina and Ucf stayed top 100 and thus gave us a 6-8 top 100 record instead of a 3-7 one?", and "what if ole miss loses their first game in the sec tournament and denies middle Tennessee a top 50 win as well as damaging their rpi rather than helping it?".

FWIW, our second best win is quietly turning out to have been against Georgia State, who has lost to no one else since November. If they sweep the belt through the conference tournament, they have an outside chance of cracking the top 50. That is a massive if though. The same thing applies to la tech...meet us again on Saturday in El Paso while having lost to no one else, and the loser of that game has an excellent chance of picking up an at large (both would likely have 2-3 top 50 wins if la tech wins that game). These are both improbable "what ifs?"...the only way to guarantee your spot in the dance is to earn it outright in El Paso.
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RE: 1/27/14 - AP & Coaches Poll. La Tech and USM getting votes.
(01-28-2014 01:21 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  
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(01-28-2014 10:52 AM)Niner National Wrote:  Remove the Louisville game and USM still has no shot at an at large. You simply don't get into the tournament when your best OOC wins are NDSU and Drexel. Win that UL game on the other hand though and you likely get benefit of the doubt and get in.

UL was really the key to USM getting an at large this year and they failed that test. Gotta give yourself more than 1 opportunity for a legitimately good win. Scheduling like nastybunch wants to will result in good NIT seeds every year, but not an at-large berth.

USM really needs to get itself into a good pre-season tournament if they are unable to get anyone decent on the OOC on their own. At least that will provide the opportunity for 2-3 good match ups.

Let's see how this season plays out first. We have a winning record vs. the Top 100 and a top 50 win. Just because that top 50 win is NDSU and not some "big name" school you want to discount it, but it shouldn't be.

North Dakota State has a 4 point win at a very mediocre Notre Dame, and
a 19 point win over Delaware. They have 5 top 100 games on their schedule, and are 2-3 in those games, including 0-3 vs the top 50. They also have an 18 point loss at RPI 247 North Dakota. This is a case of having a lot of winnable road games and inflating an RPI. It's not a top 50 team, despite what the RPI shows.

doubt the selection committee would investigate on a microbial scale....just seeing NDSU is a good enough poisoned dart....that is what has to change when people look at schools in our conference

right now, La Tech and USM are rolling.....would think as a conference all members would want this to continue to promote the future

once upon a not too distant time.....UL, VT, FSU, UCF, UConn, etc... in football were pansies....it's time to figure out how to change that for our schools in basketball
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Oh, I want Southern Miss and La Tech to continue to succeed. Don't get me wrong here. I'm just saying a win over NDSU is nothing to write home about. I'd say that about any team in the country. The two best wins our conference had this year are far and away Michigan and Oklahoma. If La Tech keeps rolling, that will be huge for them. Charlotte did whatever they did to take the luster off that win.

And I agree, we need some schools to become relevant on the national stage. That will help the entire conference.
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"USM really needs to get itself into a good pre-season tournament if they are unable to get anyone decent on the OOC on their own. At least that will provide the opportunity for 2-3 good match ups."

Bingo, but no whore games. Alot of USM fans are satisfied with mediocrity here, but I am not. Innovative scheduling takes work, scheduling whore games does not. They 9 times out of ten get you beat, and leave a bad taste in the mouths of the committee.
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(01-28-2014 01:50 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  Oh, I want Southern Miss and La Tech to continue to succeed. Don't get me wrong here. I'm just saying a win over NDSU is nothing to write home about. I'd say that about any team in the country. The two best wins our conference had this year are far and away Michigan and Oklahoma. If La Tech keeps rolling, that will be huge for them. Charlotte did whatever they did to take the luster off that win.

And I agree, we need some schools to become relevant on the national stage. That will help the entire conference.

and I think I agreed with you....nobody is pounding their chest about NDSU...they definitely fail the eye test

it's a body of work thingy....as the conference improves, the body of work becomes better on both sides of the scheduling

man, I feel for the niners....reminds me of USM (or UH for that matter) football in '11...not slamming the schools we lost too, but they were head scratchers.....however, we also got lucky beating la tech in the hurricane soup game

it's why the body of work is important....right now we're only getting started...wayyyyyyyyyyyy toooooooooooo early to be over confident, but sometimes it's fun to jibber jabber about 04-cheers
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(01-28-2014 01:53 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  "USM really needs to get itself into a good pre-season tournament if they are unable to get anyone decent on the OOC on their own. At least that will provide the opportunity for 2-3 good match ups."

Bingo, but no whore games. Alot of USM fans are satisfied with mediocrity here, but I am not. Innovative scheduling takes work, scheduling whore games does not. They 9 times out of ten get you beat, and leave a bad taste in the mouths of the committee.

So you would rather play Prairie View at home than a buy game at Oklahoma State?
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(01-28-2014 01:53 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  "USM really needs to get itself into a good pre-season tournament if they are unable to get anyone decent on the OOC on their own. At least that will provide the opportunity for 2-3 good match ups."

Bingo, but no whore games. Alot of USM fans are satisfied with mediocrity here, but I am not. Innovative scheduling takes work, scheduling whore games does not. They 9 times out of ten get you beat, and leave a bad taste in the mouths of the committee.

So you would rather play Prairie View at home than a buy game at Oklahoma State?

don't use logic coupled with our lack of draw ability to generate cents....that's fools gold

you'll NEVER get an alternative or better solution response....only a "LOL", "you're an idiot", or "you're small thinking"

....and he works in our athletic dept
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(01-28-2014 02:18 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  
(01-28-2014 01:53 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  "USM really needs to get itself into a good pre-season tournament if they are unable to get anyone decent on the OOC on their own. At least that will provide the opportunity for 2-3 good match ups."

Bingo, but no whore games. Alot of USM fans are satisfied with mediocrity here, but I am not. Innovative scheduling takes work, scheduling whore games does not. They 9 times out of ten get you beat, and leave a bad taste in the mouths of the committee.

So you would rather play Prairie View at home than a buy game at Oklahoma State?

Every time, but, of course that's not what the quote means...and I really think some of our fans want to be like Jackson State and Alcorn State...
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(01-28-2014 02:55 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  
(01-28-2014 02:18 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  
(01-28-2014 01:53 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  "USM really needs to get itself into a good pre-season tournament if they are unable to get anyone decent on the OOC on their own. At least that will provide the opportunity for 2-3 good match ups."

Bingo, but no whore games. Alot of USM fans are satisfied with mediocrity here, but I am not. Innovative scheduling takes work, scheduling whore games does not. They 9 times out of ten get you beat, and leave a bad taste in the mouths of the committee.

So you would rather play Prairie View at home than a buy game at Oklahoma State?

Every time, but, of course that's not what the quote means...and I really think some of our fans want to be like Jackson State and Alcorn State...

just one more factual faux pas by you ....our only buy game where we lost out on a home game since joining cusa (w/o looking it up and to the best of my knowledge) was last year to help burden the buyout of that dipshite we had to fire

who has ever stated your latter comment other than you agreeing with outsiders about wanting to drop down to FCS? (maybe andre did)

are you brain dead?

we get paid 1.4 mil this year from bama AND have 6 home games

edit: why are we talking about football now
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RE: 1/27/14 - AP & Coaches Poll. La Tech and USM getting votes.
(01-28-2014 01:53 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  "USM really needs to get itself into a good pre-season tournament if they are unable to get anyone decent on the OOC on their own. At least that will provide the opportunity for 2-3 good match ups."

Bingo, but no whore games. Alot of USM fans are satisfied with mediocrity here, but I am not. Innovative scheduling takes work, scheduling whore games does not. They 9 times out of ten get you beat, and leave a bad taste in the mouths of the committee.

We had to schedule the UL game because we can't even sell 1500 season tickets and get the home support this team deserves on a consistent basis, but yet fans want us to schedule like we've been some established program that quality teams will come to Hattiesburg and play for pennies when they can go to all these pre-season tournaments as well. Until USM and its fans can show that it's worth it for a "legit" team to sign a 1-1 with USM, it's not going to happen. DT wanted to take the team to the Bahamas for the pre-season, and UL pretty much footed the bill for us.
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(01-29-2014 01:27 AM)southernmiss4ever Wrote:  
(01-28-2014 01:53 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  "USM really needs to get itself into a good pre-season tournament if they are unable to get anyone decent on the OOC on their own. At least that will provide the opportunity for 2-3 good match ups."

Bingo, but no whore games. Alot of USM fans are satisfied with mediocrity here, but I am not. Innovative scheduling takes work, scheduling whore games does not. They 9 times out of ten get you beat, and leave a bad taste in the mouths of the committee.

We had to schedule the UL game because we can't even sell 1500 season tickets and get the home support this team deserves on a consistent basis, but yet fans want us to schedule like we've been some established program that quality teams will come to Hattiesburg and play for pennies when they can go to all these pre-season tournaments as well. Until USM and its fans can show that it's worth it for a "legit" team to sign a 1-1 with USM, it's not going to happen. DT wanted to take the team to the Bahamas for the pre-season, and UL pretty much footed the bill for us.

Finally,a mature, thought out answer, and without childish name calling. Thanks!
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(01-28-2014 02:55 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  
(01-28-2014 02:18 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  
(01-28-2014 01:53 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  "USM really needs to get itself into a good pre-season tournament if they are unable to get anyone decent on the OOC on their own. At least that will provide the opportunity for 2-3 good match ups."

Bingo, but no whore games. Alot of USM fans are satisfied with mediocrity here, but I am not. Innovative scheduling takes work, scheduling whore games does not. They 9 times out of ten get you beat, and leave a bad taste in the mouths of the committee.

So you would rather play Prairie View at home than a buy game at Oklahoma State?

Every time, but, of course that's not what the quote means...and I really think some of our fans want to be like Jackson State and Alcorn State...

So this is what you strive to be: http://realtimerpi.com/2010-2011/rpi_205_Men.html

Good idea.
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(01-29-2014 09:52 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  
(01-28-2014 02:55 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  
(01-28-2014 02:18 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  
(01-28-2014 01:53 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  "USM really needs to get itself into a good pre-season tournament if they are unable to get anyone decent on the OOC on their own. At least that will provide the opportunity for 2-3 good match ups."

Bingo, but no whore games. Alot of USM fans are satisfied with mediocrity here, but I am not. Innovative scheduling takes work, scheduling whore games does not. They 9 times out of ten get you beat, and leave a bad taste in the mouths of the committee.

So you would rather play Prairie View at home than a buy game at Oklahoma State?

Every time, but, of course that's not what the quote means...and I really think some of our fans want to be like Jackson State and Alcorn State...

So this is what you strive to be: http://realtimerpi.com/2010-2011/rpi_205_Men.html

Good idea.

Nah, it is a better idea to go get massacred at Louisville by 30 and impress the committee....Good idea.
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If Southern Miss doesn't get in somehow this year, I would be willing to be it had nothing to do with how much you lost to Louisville by.
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