(01-26-2014 07:21 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  Not that it is related but I feel that it is necessary to remind everyone that Larry Brown's other two stints in college basketball ended in major NCAA trouble.

As I said. Not related directly but worth remembering.

And both times he scurried out of Dodge and headed to the safety of the NBA as the investigators were unloading their gear in the visitor's parking lot. Left both schools holding the bag with vacated wins, post season bans, and probation.

He is a heck of a recruiter, though.

I'm not worried one bit. Whoever is the administrator at Dallas Kimball should be worried, though

Since the dawn of time, that is exactly the position fans take when violations are rumored.

I hope you are correct. This conference is in enough of a bind as it is.

Nothing to see here. If, and I say IF, a grade was changed, it was in High School. Frazier was cleared by the NCAA to be eligible and we enrolled him.

If he got a grade changed in high school to pass, has nothing to do with SMU.

I personally think nothing will come of it, but if it does, it is not on SMU, it is on the Dallas Independent School District.

Plenty of precedent here, SMU is not accountable.

(01-26-2014 10:11 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Since the dawn of time, that is exactly the position fans take when violations are rumored.

I hope you are correct. This conference is in enough of a bind as it is.

I was worried at first because I thought it might be Hansen. Shipp is anti-DISD. Same guy who broke Darrell Arthur story. Same thing will happen to us as happened at Kansas - nothing

Ask Memphis what they think?

(01-26-2014 10:39 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Ask Memphis what they think?

We fixed SAT scores. Get it straight, troll.

(01-26-2014 10:27 PM)shadowman Wrote:  Nothing to see here. If, and I say IF, a grade was changed, it was in High School. Frazier was cleared by the NCAA to be eligible and we enrolled him.

If he got a grade changed in high school to pass, has nothing to do with SMU.

I personally think nothing will come of it, but if it does, it is not on SMU, it is on the Dallas Independent School District.

Plenty of precedent here, SMU is not accountable.

mmmm, as they showed with Memphis the NCAA is more than happy to make someone retroactively ineligible....unless you win the national title. The you are fine.

(01-26-2014 10:40 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(01-26-2014 10:39 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Ask Memphis what they think?

We fixed SAT scores. Get it straight, troll.

My bad.

(01-26-2014 09:55 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(01-26-2014 07:21 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  Not that it is related but I feel that it is necessary to remind everyone that Larry Brown's other two stints in college basketball ended in major NCAA trouble.

As I said. Not related directly but worth remembering.

And both times he scurried out of Dodge and headed to the safety of the NBA as the investigators were unloading their gear in the visitor's parking lot. Left both schools holding the bag with vacated wins, post season bans, and probation.

He is a heck of a recruiter, though.

Do you know the entire story about the NCAA violation. As far as Kansas violations go. Larry gave a plane ticket to a player whose grandmother/legal guardian was dying in Memphis

As far as UCLA goes. The NCAA sanctions happened when Larry Brown was coaching. However, the alleged violations were occurring years before under John Wooden. John even said as much in the UCLA documentary. He knew players were getting money, and he chose to look the other way. For some strange reason, you can't put the blame on John. . . Apparently he is a basketball god that does no wrong.

Anybody with half a brain that actually has done the research would know this. . . But, don't let half stories get in the way of facts.

Ahh...all is right with the world..the circling of the wagons has officially begun.

@brett_shipp: SMU bb player at the center of grade changing investigation at Kimball HS. What did SMU coaches know and when did they know it? News8@10

(01-26-2014 10:27 PM)shadowman Wrote:  Nothing to see here. If, and I say IF, a grade was changed, it was in High School. Frazier was cleared by the NCAA to be eligible and we enrolled him.

If he got a grade changed in high school to pass, has nothing to do with SMU.

I personally think nothing will come of it, but if it does, it is not on SMU, it is on the Dallas Independent School District.

Plenty of precedent here, SMU is not accountable.

The University of Memphis had nothing to do with Derrick Rose’s ACT test and their clearing house cleared him to play. But the end result was they said (without proof) he was ineligible and vacated the team’s entire season.

The NCAA views each case as though nothing like it has ever happened before. They are the biggest joke in the nation.

That being said I hope you guys come out OK.

(01-26-2014 11:06 PM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  

(01-26-2014 10:27 PM)shadowman Wrote:  Nothing to see here. If, and I say IF, a grade was changed, it was in High School. Frazier was cleared by the NCAA to be eligible and we enrolled him.

If he got a grade changed in high school to pass, has nothing to do with SMU.

I personally think nothing will come of it, but if it does, it is not on SMU, it is on the Dallas Independent School District.

Plenty of precedent here, SMU is not accountable.

The University of Memphis had nothing to do with Derrick Rose’s ACT test and their clearing house cleared him to play. But the end result was they said (without proof) he was ineligible and vacated the team’s entire season.

The NCAA views each case as though nothing like it has ever happened before. They are the biggest joke in the nation.

That being said I hope you guys come out OK.

1) Yeah, we got steamrolled after the fact. Our guy was cleared to play by the clearing house and retroactively declared ineligible. I'll admit up front that none of us know what was really going on in Calipari's world at the time, but Rose was cleared and later declared ineligible.

2) I hope SMU comes out of this clean. Regardless of any of Cal's potential issues while he was at Memphis, what happened to us in the Rose case was unfair and shouldn't happen to another program. Good luck to the Mustangs in this situation.

3) I believe that reporter lacked any class at all for going about asking Larry about the grades in the manner that he did. All things being fair, he should have limited access to SMU coaches for interviews, but it's impossible to do that from an image standpoint.

Considering SMU isn't viewed by the NCAA as North Carolina or Miami...watch out. Miami cheated for a whole decade and got a slap on the wrist. Miami had their own self imposed sanction which they only did after 2 straight seasons went in the toilet. UNC just flat out committed academic fraud for 10 years.

For what I know about Memphis the NCAA had no real proof on D Rose, but Memphis had to forfeit the national title runner up. WTF! Duke's coach blatantly cheats every recruiting cycle.

First half of report aired tonight. Basically SMU assistant coach Ulric Maligi knew KF was not doing well with grades and called Kimball High to ask how Keith could improve his grades (possibly to pass on to Keith some advice from someone he would listen to), and then Keith's grade was changed to where he was passing.

No proof that SMU knew that the grade was changed. At least not yet. Supposedly more to come tomorrow.

(01-26-2014 11:34 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  First half of report aired tonight. Basically SMU assistant coach Ulric Maligi knew KF was not doing well with grades and called Kimball High to ask how Keith could improve his grades (possibly to pass on to Keith some advice from someone he would listen to), and then Keith's grade was changed to where he was passing.

No proof that SMU knew that the grade was changed. At least not yet. Supposedly more to come tomorrow.

Good luck to you guys. Larry's really got things turned around down there. Looking forward to playing the Mustangs.

(01-26-2014 11:06 PM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  

(01-26-2014 10:27 PM)shadowman Wrote:  Nothing to see here. If, and I say IF, a grade was changed, it was in High School. Frazier was cleared by the NCAA to be eligible and we enrolled him.

If he got a grade changed in high school to pass, has nothing to do with SMU.

I personally think nothing will come of it, but if it does, it is not on SMU, it is on the Dallas Independent School District.

Plenty of precedent here, SMU is not accountable.

The University of Memphis had nothing to do with Derrick Rose’s ACT test and their clearing house cleared him to play. But the end result was they said (without proof) he was ineligible and vacated the team’s entire season.

The NCAA views each case as though nothing like it has ever happened before. They are the biggest joke in the nation.

That being said I hope you guys come out OK.

Heh, my only good memory from the days of Doherty coaching SMU was after a loss at Memphis and being heckled all day by the students, he turned to them and pointed at their conference title banner and their final four banner and told them they needed to take it down because "ya'll effin cheated and the NCAA took it away".

Probably will happen to us now.

(01-26-2014 06:12 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Tweet from UH beat writer Joe Duarte re: SMU-UH postgame:

SMU hoops apparently has player under investigation for alleged grade fixing, according to line of questioning by @wfaachannel8 in presser

TV reporter began questioning Larry Brown post game. Brown said he was unaware

just face it, houston or smu....you guys suck...you have to cheat...you are minor league goofs. just close you sports programs down, turn up the florescent lights and become the night schools you are destined to be.

you killed the SWC... please dont kill the AAc.

(01-27-2014 12:05 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(01-26-2014 06:12 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Tweet from UH beat writer Joe Duarte re: SMU-UH postgame:

SMU hoops apparently has player under investigation for alleged grade fixing, according to line of questioning by @wfaachannel8 in presser

TV reporter began questioning Larry Brown post game. Brown said he was unaware

just face it, houston or smu....you guys suck...you have to cheat...you are minor league goofs. just close you sports programs down, turn up the florescent lights and become the night schools you are destined to be.

you killed the SWC... please dont kill the AAc.

What are you worried about a** hole.. you are in the same minor league with UH and SMU..