(01-27-2014 08:35 AM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  For me (and I will go on a limb and say most Temple fans) the conversation ends at the mention of Villanova. After years of privately working hard to keep Temple out of the Big East even though most experts and many conference members agreed it was best for the conference, I (and I hope Temple) would support and endorse the additional of Al-Qaeda to the AAC before Villanova.

Understandable...but I think the option is worth noting.

I have said this before...I don't think the American should look at adding any basketball only schools....and the main reason why is that THEN it would compete with the Big East and potentially lose those basketball teams to the Big East.

The reason I think the option of Villanova is worth noting is that, say in 2017 or so the American is looking at its options of who to add...a call to Villanova to see if they want in by upgrading FB to FBS may be on the table. Would encourage the Nova/Temple rivalry and formalize the American's relationship with the Philly market. Plus it would hurt the Big East. Not saying it would happen, but I think the idea of raiding the Big East by offering FB upgrade has some marketplace sense to it.

The problem with raiding the MWC is if you do it, it has to be big...Air Force has been adamant they are not leaving their rivals. I think you'll have to get at least 3 other schools with Air Force and go to 16. For that reason, I don't see it as much of a viable option.

I think there will be no change until the next TV contract is up for renewal and I don't see programs being added that don't expand the contract or at least hurt other conferences (MWC/Big East)...but I do think that Nova WANTS to be a FBS program.

(01-26-2014 05:33 PM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  BE schools are making more than us now...

Why anybody would even think this is a possibility at this point is beyond my comprehension. Nova basically turned down an AQ Big East and G'Town has ZERO interest in playing FBS football. Smh.
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IMO Temple was an upgrade from Villanova. Nova had ample opportunities to upgrade their football program, but chose against it on multiple occasions. They were perfectly content on maintaining the status quo and putting all their eggs in one basket(ball).

(01-26-2014 05:56 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  I don't support any expansion that doesn't involve raiding the mountain west

The Tulsa & Tulane moves make this difficult. Boise, Fresno, SDst, AFA, NM or CSU should be targets to destoy the MWC. However, I'm not sure that going beyond 16 works.

Gotta agree with the posters against the idea. The BE took their ball and ran home with it. They made it crystal clear they wanted no association with this new mix of schools. If were up to me, Villanova wouldn't even be an associate member in women's rowing at this point. There are a lot of other options out there that the American could potentially look at.

This conference just needs to sit tight for a few years and see how things play out. For all we know we end up with the Access Bowl 2 or 3 years in a row and at that point would we still want to merge/raid the MWC? Also, a program like UMass or ODU might break out in the MAC / CUSA and suddenly become a viable option of building the football side while at the same time improving the basketball side of the conference. VCU is hot, but if Shaka rolls out, do they suddenly spiral down? I had never even heard of Wichita State as a basketball program (always known for baseball) until the last few years, so for all we know, they're in zone for now, but that could all change in a few years.

I think we sit tight, let Navy come on in 2015, and see what the landscape holds some time shortly after that. Do what we can for now: continue to improve infrastructure, fill stadiums/courts, beat P5 teams H2H, win bowls, etc.

(01-27-2014 08:35 AM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  For me (and I will go on a limb and say most Temple fans) the conversation ends at the mention of Villanova. After years of privately working hard to keep Temple out of the Big East even though most experts and many conference members agreed it was best for the conference, I (and I hope Temple) would support and endorse the additional of Al-Qaeda to the AAC before Villanova.

"would support and endorse the additional of Al-Qaeda to the AAC before Villanova"

A totally uncalled for comment!

The Big East tried for over a year to allow Villanova's entry.
This may have influenced some schools departure.
At least two objected to the idea of playing in a very small stadium with no probability of upgrade.

Villanova and Georgetown would not make my top 20.

Can we at least admit that if decide to expand west we can't do it half assed?

There is no "Oh let's just add Boise and be done with it"

We are looking at 4 team adds or nothing, and the CFP revenue limit of 12 shares per conference is still in effect...

(01-27-2014 01:17 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  Can we at least admit that if decide to expand west we can't do it half assed?

There is no "Oh let's just add Boise and be done with it"

We are looking at 4 team adds or nothing, and the CFP revenue limit of 12 shares per conference is still in effect...

Agree.

Adding 4 is not as easy as it seems out west.

In order to get Air Force you have to take Colorado State. Then you have Boise...and in California you have Fresno AND San Diego State...but wait, don't you want UNLV basketball (and if they build that football stadium)? Or what about the flagships in New Mexico or Nevada? Maybe we just add Hawaii for FB only to match Navy FB only?

Its not as simple as saying lets expand west. Utah State, SJ State and Wyoming are the only ones not in play.

That "killing the MWC Ship" has sailed. Not gonna to ever happen now. Maybe a merger of some kind could be possible but the AAC doesn't have the juice anymore to raid the MWC.

(01-27-2014 01:25 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  Adding 4 is not as easy as it seems out west.

In order to get Air Force you have to take Colorado State. Then you have Boise...and in California you have Fresno AND San Diego State...but wait, don't you want UNLV basketball (and if they build that football stadium)? Or what about the flagships in New Mexico or Nevada? Maybe we just add Hawaii for FB only to match Navy FB only?

Its not as simple as saying lets expand west. Utah State, SJ State and Wyoming are the only ones not in play.

I think we can clearly cut out the UN-R, Hawaii, UNM, Wyoming, SJSU, Utah State.

I'm not so sure about Boise State anymore. Without Chris Petersen, it's a lot more difficult to rationalize adding a football program in Idaho, with poor academics.

I think we'd be lauded by many of the people in the know if we add SDSU, Fresno State, UNLV, and Colorado State.

AFA is not worth the add without Army, and if we add Army, we're not looking at anyone in the MWC outside of AFA.

In summary:

It's either Army and AFA to go to 14

Or it's CSU, SDSU, Fresno, and UNLV to go to 16

(01-27-2014 01:47 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  That "killing the MWC Ship" has sailed. Not gonna to ever happen now. Maybe a merger of some kind could be possible but the AAC doesn't have the juice anymore to raid the MWC.

You should spend your time on the CUSA board.

To keep up with "division 4" expenses coming down the pike, I'm hoping say espn, CBS and Directv-sports (root) agree to a joint tv contract of a best-of-the-rest mega-AAC.

$3MM/yr from both espn and CBS and $1.5MM/yr from dtv/root where espn, CBS and dtv agree to go in joint venture creating an all-sports AAC channel where dtv gives espn/CBS sweetheart deals on there channel lineup....this also allows dtv to expand subscriber bases across the entire country as root/AAC-Network would be demanded in all our footprints/DMAs.

We'd have to get approval from this new "div4" governing body to set up our divisions without having to play cross divisi games unless we want to. ( this limits travel to what we pretty much have now).

East blue division:

Army (FB-only)
Umass
UCONN
Temple
Marshall
Cincy
UCF
USF

East red div:

Navy (FB-only)
Odu
Uncc
ECU
Memphis
Southern miss
Tulane
Houston

West blue div:

Tulsa
SMU
UTSA
UTEP
New Mexico
Air force
Colo st
Wyo

West red div:

Hawaii (FB-only)
Fresno
San Diego
UNLV
Nevada
Boise
Utah st
BYU



For basketball, we have two 15 team divisons with only wichita st as a non-FB member. We'd play 14 games in division and 2 cross divison games, home & away, verse: 1e vs 1w, 2e vs 2w, 3e vs 3w and so on toward the end of the regular season to beef up our top teams' rpi....sort of our intra-conference bracket busters.


Crazy, I know...hence my name. ;P

SMU and Tulsa would get an extra travel bonus annually.

How would USF-UCF be a "cross-division" rival? -__-

Or actually any of the first 5 games mentioned?

(02-01-2014 11:40 AM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  How would USF-UCF be a "cross-division" rival? -__-

Or actually any of the first 5 games mentioned?

They would be in the same division for all sports....I don't understand your ?.

(02-01-2014 11:45 AM)fresnofanatic Wrote:  

(02-01-2014 11:40 AM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  How would USF-UCF be a "cross-division" rival? -__-

Or actually any of the first 5 games mentioned?

They would be in the same division for all sports....I don't understand your ?.

I think his question was in reference to the OP, not your division line-up.

I would only want a best of the best from the MWC/AAC and no non-football schools (i.e. VCU, Wichita State, etc etc etc).

From the west I would only really want: Boise (maybe...not sure now), Air Force, Fresno, UNLV, Colorado State, SDSU and maybe New Mexico.

(02-01-2014 11:30 AM)fresnofanatic Wrote:  To keep up with "division 4" expenses coming down the pike, I'm hoping say espn, CBS and Directv-sports (root) agree to a joint tv contract of a best-of-the-rest mega-AAC.

$3MM/yr from both espn and CBS and $1.5MM/yr from dtv/root where espn, CBS and dtv agree to go in joint venture creating an all-sports AAC channel where dtv gives espn/CBS sweetheart deals on there channel lineup....this also allows dtv to expand subscriber bases across the entire country as root/AAC-Network would be demanded in all our footprints/DMAs.

We'd have to get approval from this new "div4" governing body to set up our divisions without having to play cross divisi games unless we want to. ( this limits travel to what we pretty much have now).

East blue division:

Army (FB-only)
Umass
UCONN
Temple
Marshall
Cincy
UCF
USF

East red div:

Navy (FB-only)
Odu
Uncc
ECU
Memphis
Southern miss
Tulane
Houston

West blue div:

Tulsa
SMU
UTSA
UTEP
New Mexico
Air force
Colo st
Wyo

West red div:

Hawaii (FB-only)
Fresno
San Diego
UNLV
Nevada
Boise
Utah st
BYU



For basketball, we have two 15 team divisons with only wichita st as a non-FB member. We'd play 14 games in division and 2 cross divison games, home & away, verse: 1e vs 1w, 2e vs 2w, 3e vs 3w and so on toward the end of the regular season to beef up our top teams' rpi....sort of our intra-conference bracket busters.


Crazy, I know...hence my name. ;P

SMU and Tulsa would get an extra travel bonus annually.

What was the criteria in determining the 32 teams?

(02-01-2014 11:47 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(02-01-2014 11:45 AM)fresnofanatic Wrote:  

(02-01-2014 11:40 AM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  How would USF-UCF be a "cross-division" rival? -__-

Or actually any of the first 5 games mentioned?

They would be in the same division for all sports....I don't understand your ?.

I think his question was in reference to the OP, not your division line-up.

Yea, it was directed at the OP