Lol.... Rivals

(01-24-2014 10:56 AM)BleedsGreen33 Wrote:  Popularity of site has nothing to do with how the recruits are rated. rhose kids are not evaluated by the individual sites.

Who cares the senior class that won our CUSA titles their JR and SR year beat ranked Boise State, Houston, Virginia Tech and West Virginia was thrown together a couple weeks after Skip got here and didn't have a single 3 star player in it.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/eastcarolina/foo...ments/2005

CJ Wilson
J Ross
A. Allison
T. Hudgins

all played in the NFL, and we had several other all conf talents. This is about the time I seriously stopped caring about about football recruiting after seeing it over and over and nobody recruits like Chris Johnson emerging.

Again here is our best players this year.

Carden, no D1 offers best offer was Harvard
Hardy, walk on
Cooper, no offers
I. Jones one offer to Ark St
D Johnson ??? can't even find his HS profile
Maggazu no D1 offers
T. Williams Kent State and Eastern Michigan

That's our best players, and in some cases some of the best players in the country at their positions and with NFL potiental.

Historically it's not all that different. What was Chris Johnson's offers, some sun belt schools? Schools didn't even want Blake or Garrard as a QB's etc.

Stars matter to an extent, but not so much for most of the recruits we vie for. That isn't a knock. In fact, I believe one of the more difficult parts of being a "mid-major" head coach is evaluating which 2 and 3 star players to really pursue. A good evaluation and picking the RIGHT ones is the difference between success and failure in CUSA and comparable conferences.

It's easy for Alabama, Texas, Ohio State, and those coaching staffs to pick which recruits to pursue....the blue chips. The unanimously chosen best players at every position.

I mean, look at Alabama's class.....tons of stars.....they also usually have the best athletes at every position in every game they play. So the stars matter, to an extent. ALL OF US would love to have a few 4 and 5 star guys every year.

Different sites (ESPN, etc) have different star powers so who's closest in the "battle of the stars" ? Who really knows......NO ONE. How they will play at the college level certainly won't be determined before they even hit the field. Good off-season topic for discussion...........but....

It's kinda interesting to see how many of these "stars" actually live up to the rep when the hit college. CUSA has two highly recruited, high profile QB transfers in this past years class. One at NT was a total disappointment & actually was the only player on the squad that did no get into a certain road-game. The other at Louisiana Tech lost his job during the season.

We've has some success with "star power" transfers and a lot of disappointments. I'll be watching a 4-star Oregon transfer middle line backer this spring to see if his star rises or falls.

Never liked or understood Rivals star classifications.

Our 3 star player have offers from Ball st. NC A&T and ODU. Yet we have recruits with offers from Kansas, Kansas St. Missouri and Mississippi St. but they only get 2 stars. Makes a lot of since to me.

Our recruiting classes are usually 2 stars with one or two 3 stars and we've done pretty well. Kids that are 2 and 3 stars are pretty closely aligned in terms of talent. I wouldn't place too much emphasis into star ratings and who has a better class, etc. Its all about how that kid develops in the training room and how he is coached.

How many times do we have to go over this? ECU doesn't use Rivals recruiting services, so many aren't graded and are just given a 2 star rating. It the same for other schools and across all the sites. Also, it depends on the focus of the classes for each school. ECU is more focused on the OL, DL and secondary, which will not earn as many points in Rivals ranking system.

But, lets compare, ECU on Rivals vs 24/7

Rivals 19, 1-3 star 18-2 star
24\7 composite 20, 7-3 star, 11-2 star, 2-not rated

Don't know about you, but that a bit different isn't it?

(01-24-2014 11:54 AM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  How many times do we have to go over this? ECU doesn't use Rivals recruiting services, so many aren't graded and are just given a 2 star rating. It the same for other schools and across all the sites. Also, it depends on the focus of the classes for each school. ECU is more focused on the OL, DL and secondary, which will not earn as many points in Rivals ranking system.

But, lets compare, ECU on Rivals vs 24/7

Rivals 19, 1-3 star 18-2 star
24\7 composite 20, 7-3 star, 11-2 star, 2-not rated

Don't know about you, but that a bit different isn't it?

Absolutely correct ! The 'big uglies' don't get much star power from the sites, but they sure do from the coaches because the trenches is where the game is won or lost.

(01-24-2014 11:40 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  we have recruits with offers from Kansas, Kansas St. Missouri and Mississippi St. but they only get 2 stars.

Because they committed to ECU and not Missouri. Had they said "Missouri" they would have been given another star. For no other reason.

One thing to keep in mind for UNT is that we don't have a single site (Rivals, Scout, or 247) that actually covers UNT recruiting. That actually means a lot when it comes to these rankings, if they're not getting money from a fan base it sways their rankings. That's why some fans will say 247 is garbage, or scout is garbage, simply because that site doesn't cover their recruiting efforts and gives most of their commits the default 2* ranking. ESPN is the only recruiting site who grades players and lets their rating stick regardless of who they sign with. Texas State had two 4* players last season for this reason. On ESPN we have 5 3* players with another visiting this weekend leaning towards UNT.

247 rates our class better than rivals

http://247sports.com/Season/2014-Footbal...ence=C-USA

(01-24-2014 12:24 PM)mufanatehc Wrote:  247 rates our class better than rivals

http://247sports.com/Season/2014-Footbal...ence=C-USA

Using their point system, ECU would rank 4th in C-USA at this point.

(01-24-2014 12:15 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 11:40 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  we have recruits with offers from Kansas, Kansas St. Missouri and Mississippi St. but they only get 2 stars.

Because they committed to ECU and not Missouri. Had they said "Missouri" they would have been given another star. For no other reason.

It's true. Rice has a recruit who was just downgraded on Rivals from 3 stars to 2 stars. Happens when you commit to Rice

(01-24-2014 01:18 PM)07owl Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 12:15 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 11:40 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  we have recruits with offers from Kansas, Kansas St. Missouri and Mississippi St. but they only get 2 stars.

Because they committed to ECU and not Missouri. Had they said "Missouri" they would have been given another star. For no other reason.

It's true. Rice has a recruit who was just downgraded on Rivals from 3 stars to 2 stars. Happens when you commit to Rice

Works for us too. Massey, a 3 star was down graded two days after commiting to ECU.

(01-24-2014 10:56 AM)BleedsGreen33 Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 10:29 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 09:56 AM)BleedsGreen33 Wrote:  I know these aren't final but to this point I am a little surprised at ECU's class.

Mostly b/c the 247 board has become a lot more popular than the Rivals board. Simply put, go to your school's most popular board and chances are pretty good they're going to have the highest ranking for your class. I'm not really concerned about our class at this point as long as we land a solid RB.

Popularity of site has nothing to do with how the recruits are rated. rhose kids are not evaluated by the individual sites.

You're very naive if you believe that it has NOTHING to do with ratings.

(01-24-2014 09:30 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 09:19 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  I'm always skeptical of these ratings. But just accepting them at face value, that's very impressive work by WKU.

What's more impressive is that even with the loss of Petrino, by hiring Brohm we've been able to keep this list intact........of course, I'll wait until they arrive on campus to be truly excited.

Something Vanderbilt has been unable to do with Franklin poaching their class

(01-24-2014 11:05 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 10:56 AM)BleedsGreen33 Wrote:  Popularity of site has nothing to do with how the recruits are rated. rhose kids are not evaluated by the individual sites.

Who cares the senior class that won our CUSA titles their JR and SR year beat ranked Boise State, Houston, Virginia Tech and West Virginia was thrown together a couple weeks after Skip got here and didn't have a single 3 star player in it.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/eastcarolina/foo...ments/2005

CJ Wilson
J Ross
A. Allison
T. Hudgins

all played in the NFL, and we had several other all conf talents. This is about the time I seriously stopped caring about about football recruiting after seeing it over and over and nobody recruits like Chris Johnson emerging.

Again here is our best players this year.

Carden, no D1 offers best offer was Harvard
Hardy, walk on
Cooper, no offers
I. Jones one offer to Ark St
D Johnson ??? can't even find his HS profile
Maggazu no D1 offers
T. Williams Kent State and Eastern Michigan

That's our best players, and in some cases some of the best players in the country at their positions and with NFL potiental.

Historically it's not all that different. What was Chris Johnson's offers, some sun belt schools? Schools didn't even want Blake or Garrard as a QB's etc.

collier - who knows who was looking at him...but we did
favre - nobody else
davis - fedora era walk-on

...and that's just qbs,..

one of these days chris johnson II is going to fall in our lap...

honestly, it's why I love being a mid-major fan

(01-24-2014 11:54 AM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  How many times do we have to go over this? ECU doesn't use Rivals recruiting services, so many aren't graded and are just given a 2 star rating. It the same for other schools and across all the sites. Also, it depends on the focus of the classes for each school. ECU is more focused on the OL, DL and secondary, which will not earn as many points in Rivals ranking system.

But, lets compare, ECU on Rivals vs 24/7

Rivals 19, 1-3 star 18-2 star
24\7 composite 20, 7-3 star, 11-2 star, 2-not rated

Don't know about you, but that a bit different isn't it?

ODU doesn't have a Rivals site either and the differences you noted are fairly similar for ODU.

(01-24-2014 02:39 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 11:54 AM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  How many times do we have to go over this? ECU doesn't use Rivals recruiting services, so many aren't graded and are just given a 2 star rating. It the same for other schools and across all the sites. Also, it depends on the focus of the classes for each school. ECU is more focused on the OL, DL and secondary, which will not earn as many points in Rivals ranking system.

But, lets compare, ECU on Rivals vs 24/7

Rivals 19, 1-3 star 18-2 star
24\7 composite 20, 7-3 star, 11-2 star, 2-not rated

Don't know about you, but that a bit different isn't it?

ODU doesn't have a Rivals site either and the differences you noted are fairly similar for ODU.

And, it doesn't stop there, there are more reasons I don't pay much attention to the star ratings. Most if not all the sites limit the total number of 4 and 5 star ratings they hand out each. So, naturally many 4 star players could actually be 5 star players and many 3 star kids could be 4 star, but due to the caps they max out at 3 or 4 star.

How can these ratings or class rankings be taken seriously when the recruiting sites put arbitrary caps on the number of guys they will grade at the top two levels, the answer, you can't.

It's even true for 24/7, one of our commits M. Rice a 6'7 DE was first graded as a 2 star. He was selected for the HS senior Shrine Bowl, and there he started turning heads. He was graded again, this time he given a rating 1 point shy of being a 4 star. Why 1 point though? Why only a maxed out 3 star and not a 4? No more room in the inn, they've awarded all the 4 star rating they are going to for this year.

(01-24-2014 02:39 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 11:54 AM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  How many times do we have to go over this? ECU doesn't use Rivals recruiting services, so many aren't graded and are just given a 2 star rating. It the same for other schools and across all the sites. Also, it depends on the focus of the classes for each school. ECU is more focused on the OL, DL and secondary, which will not earn as many points in Rivals ranking system.

But, lets compare, ECU on Rivals vs 24/7

Rivals 19, 1-3 star 18-2 star
24\7 composite 20, 7-3 star, 11-2 star, 2-not rated

Don't know about you, but that a bit different isn't it?

ODU doesn't have a Rivals site either and the differences you noted are fairly similar for ODU.

Also, ECU has a Rivals site and I would say the 3rd-4th most active ECU message board. The thing is, each of these sites offer recruiting services to the schools, for a fee. Some schools use Rivals and/or Scout, while others use 24/7 and/or ESPN or other combinations. ECU uses ESPN and 24/7 and doesn't use Rivals or Scout. So it's no surprise to me that ESPN and 24/7 rank our class and commit higher than Rivals or Scout. Why you bother with properly grading players committing to schools that don't use your services.