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RE: New Convo
If Mrs. Greens is not saved in the COB expansion then I will be very disappointed.

I am not a fan of the suggested site for the new arena. Part of me really still doesn't like the idea of U Park being off campus and that is a heck of a lot closer than Valley Lanes. They can run all the buses they want but I don't see it being a practical location.

I wonder how student attendance at soccer games compares now to when it was on campus
10-01-2014 09:31 PM
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(10-01-2014 09:31 PM)Dukes1825 Wrote:  If Mrs. Greens is not saved in the COB expansion then I will be very disappointed.

I am not a fan of the suggested site for the new arena. Part of me really still doesn't like the idea of U Park being off campus and that is a heck of a lot closer than Valley Lanes. They can run all the buses they want but I don't see it being a practical location.

I wonder how student attendance at soccer games compares now to when it was on campus

In addition, you have ready made parking if its on campus. Will they charge to park? Does this mean the off campus students will need to come park on campus and then bus to the game? Not that I make it to many MBB or WBB games, but I hate the thought of coming to JMU and not making it to campus. Coming from the south as I do, there is a really good chance of me not seeing it. I want people on campus as often as possible as it helps one to stay engaged as a Duke.
10-01-2014 09:40 PM
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(10-01-2014 09:40 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  
(10-01-2014 09:31 PM)Dukes1825 Wrote:  If Mrs. Greens is not saved in the COB expansion then I will be very disappointed.

I am not a fan of the suggested site for the new arena. Part of me really still doesn't like the idea of U Park being off campus and that is a heck of a lot closer than Valley Lanes. They can run all the buses they want but I don't see it being a practical location.

I wonder how student attendance at soccer games compares now to when it was on campus

In addition, you have ready made parking if its on campus. Will they charge to park? Does this mean the off campus students will need to come park on campus and then bus to the game? Not that I make it to many MBB or WBB games, but I hate the thought of coming to JMU and not making it to campus. Coming from the south as I do, there is a really good chance of me not seeing it. I want people on campus as often as possible as it helps one to stay engaged as a Duke.

I never see "campus" when coming to home basketball games. I get off 81south at 247 and then go to the convo via E Market to University. I see a brief flash of campus at E Hall and the Arboretum but that is it. Otherwise I see a parking lot and the convo and then head back home.

I am sure when the convo was built there was an outcry because they were putting it "off-campus" too. No one is saying that now.
10-02-2014 05:44 AM
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RE: New Convo
(10-02-2014 05:44 AM)JMU_Degenerate Wrote:  
(10-01-2014 09:40 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  
(10-01-2014 09:31 PM)Dukes1825 Wrote:  If Mrs. Greens is not saved in the COB expansion then I will be very disappointed.

I am not a fan of the suggested site for the new arena. Part of me really still doesn't like the idea of U Park being off campus and that is a heck of a lot closer than Valley Lanes. They can run all the buses they want but I don't see it being a practical location.

I wonder how student attendance at soccer games compares now to when it was on campus

In addition, you have ready made parking if its on campus. Will they charge to park? Does this mean the off campus students will need to come park on campus and then bus to the game? Not that I make it to many MBB or WBB games, but I hate the thought of coming to JMU and not making it to campus. Coming from the south as I do, there is a really good chance of me not seeing it. I want people on campus as often as possible as it helps one to stay engaged as a Duke.

I never see "campus" when coming to home basketball games. I get off 81south at 247 and then go to the convo via E Market to University. I see a brief flash of campus at E Hall and the Arboretum but that is it. Otherwise I see a parking lot and the convo and then head back home.

I am sure when the convo was built there was an outcry because they were putting it "off-campus" too. No one is saying that now.

I was there when it opened and yes, we found it odd as it was the only thing other than a couple of practice fields on that side of I-81. But, I would park in Godwin and walk through the tunnel for the games. It seemed like a long way at the time, but now I park in the CONVO for FB games and it seems very normal. I will say that at least a couple of FB games I will still enter campus from S. Main and make the long trip back around and through campus just to get me some JMU "juice".
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I wonder if the new "proposed" off campus location could have anything to do with this...the city of Harrisonburg is asking for comments regarding the rejuvenation of the hotel/conference center idea...

https://www.facebook.com/HarrisonburgVA/...75/?type=1

https://harrisonburg-va.legistar.com/Mee...tions=info
10-07-2014 09:12 PM
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(10-07-2014 09:12 PM)lingerba Wrote:  I wonder if the new "proposed" off campus location could have anything to do with this...the city of Harrisonburg is asking for comments regarding the rejuvenation of the hotel/conference center idea...

https://www.facebook.com/HarrisonburgVA/...75/?type=1

https://harrisonburg-va.legistar.com/Mee...tions=info

Looks like this is proposed for an area adjacent to campus.

Quote:Project. Proposed development of a 205-room independent Hotel ("Hotel Madison") and Conference Center ("The Shenandoah Valley Conference Center") located on South Main Street between the streets of MLK Way/Historic Cantrell Avenue and Grace Street...
10-07-2014 09:35 PM
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it looks like the Madison Hotel is going to be at the intersection of Main Street and Grace Street on the North corner of campus.
This is an absolute winner plan. Walking distance to downtown, adjacent to campus.

How it relates to the convo location, I have no idea
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Hart you are correct, the conference/hotel is proposed for the location you mentioned. It has little to do with the new Convo's location.


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10-08-2014 07:42 AM
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I'm not really crazy about the location either but if it helps it get built in any way sooner rather than later, so be it. It doesn't really affect me as I only attend a Saturday game or two per year maybe but I'd definitely like it to be as accessible for students as possible and make it a great atmosphere. I'm sure they'd probably run a lot of buses likely even from off campus housing on game nights but honestly, students don't like standing at bus stops at night when it's 20 degrees out in the winter. Also, depending on the route it might take a while to get to and from the game and people don't like having to be at the mercy of when the bus is going to return them home. Even schools like Georgetown have a problem getting kids to get on a bus down to the Verizon Center in DC.
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nothing to do with the convo. The hotel/conference center & parking facilities have been in talks for a long time. It's a win/win for the city and JMU.
10-08-2014 12:20 PM
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(10-08-2014 12:20 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  nothing to do with the convo. The hotel/conference center & parking facilities have been in talks for a long time. It's a win/win for the city and JMU.

This project is not a win-win for the city taxpayers. It is only a "win" for the developer who gets public money because no one will support his project with private funds. Anyone who lives in the city should not be interested in supporting this deal with back end public funds, as is currently the plan. Harrisonburg's tax $$ are much better spent elsewhere.

I know, I know... there is no upfront money from the city as the JMU foundation would pay the $10m up front to get the project started and that $10m will be paid back by the tax revenues collected locally off the project for up to 21 years. First of all, there is no way that the hotel will collect nearly enough taxes to pay this $10m back. When I run the numbers for year 5 of operation of the project (knowing that hotels can take 5 years to ramp up) I can only come up with numbers that are roughly 50% of what the city is projecting they will receive. Even if they were paying back the $10m at a rate of $476,000/year over 21 years, this is clearly too ambitious.

Furthermore, The city's statements about this project are always along the lines of "This is new tax revenue that we are using to pay back the $10m". This is not true. No hotel opens and automatically creates new demand. This hotel will only be successful by stealing market share from existing hotels in the marketplace and doing so at a rapid pace. This means that the tax revenue will not be new $$ but will just be displaced $$ which means that existing city tax $$ will be directly used to pay back the $10m. All of this while meeting and event business globally is declining at record paces as more and more companies and government agencies are mandating the use of virtual meetings.

Another note regarding tax revenues off hotels (often called transient or occupancy taxes) is that they are collected evenly among all hotels and boarding houses and should be used to support all hotels equally. This is why it is a common practice at city visitors centers across the country to train their staffs not to recommend specific hotels but instead to present all viable options. In speaking with key players from the city regarding this project it is clear that the city will be putting a heavier emphasis on marketing and selling the new hotel, over the existing lodging choices, since they have a stake in the success of the new hotel.

A similar project, by the same developer, was built at George Mason University. The project was foreclosed on within two years and the university was forced to purchase the hotel out of bankruptcy and convert it to dorms. Why is it assumed that this cannot happen in Harrisonburg?

FINALLY, and most importantly, the developers of this project tried, for years, to build this project with private funds and could not find any private investors to get involved. It is clear that without the public funds this project would collapse. That should tell you all you need to know. If this project had any chance of being a financial success, the developers would have hotel companies from all over the world picking up the phone and calling them (believe me the hotel development world is a very small circle with very large dollars) as hospitality investors are flooding the marketplace right now. If this project is really such a "win-win" then it should be able to be built solely with private money.
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(10-08-2014 10:52 AM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  I'm not really crazy about the location either but if it helps it get built in any way sooner rather than later, so be it. It doesn't really affect me as I only attend a Saturday game or two per year maybe but I'd definitely like it to be as accessible for students as possible and make it a great atmosphere. I'm sure they'd probably run a lot of buses likely even from off campus housing on game nights but honestly, students don't like standing at bus stops at night when it's 20 degrees out in the winter. Also, depending on the route it might take a while to get to and from the game and people don't like having to be at the mercy of when the bus is going to return them home. Even schools like Georgetown have a problem getting kids to get on a bus down to the Verizon Center in DC.

This location does help this project get built sooner.
Also, remember that the new convo was a pretty strong requirement prior to moving up per the Carr Report.
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(10-08-2014 03:14 PM)JMU_Degenerate Wrote:  This location does help this project get built sooner.
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How?
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