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RE: Like USFL, should NonBCS conferences play football in spring thru summer?
This is a (bad) solution in search of a problem.
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(01-22-2014 05:05 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  I just don't see why so many P5 fans seem annoyed at the very existence of G5. When the Big East was a BCS league with UConn in it, I had no such feelings. It really didn't matter much to me that there were other FBS programs that weren't in BCS leagues. I didn't pay attention to the non BCS leagues just like most P5 fans won't pay attention to the G5 going forward.

Why is it so hard to let fans of schools who are not currently in the P5 watch their teams during the regular college football season, hope they do really well, and get invited a high quality bowl game? How much does this really take away from the P5?

UConn didn't have another FBS in-state that might get a sliver of news time.

That's at least part of the issue though not all of it because it doesn't explain the head spinning hate that a segment of SEC fans have for Boise State. I've got a couple friends who won't even SAY Boise, they just call them "that blue team".

Maybe it is irritating when a ULM with grass poking up through the student side bleachers beats an Alabama when their coach makes more per game than ULM's does in a year.

One thing I've noted though is the typical fan who despises the G5 doesn't hold a diploma from a P5 but they are fans of a P5.
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RE: Like USFL, should NonBCS conferences play football in spring thru summer?
I just think the USFL is not the alternate football league any challenger conferences should emulate. Do whatever the AFL did if you can (as in Lamar Hunt, not Jim Foster.) (By the way intercollegiate arena football would be such a winner in some parts of the country.)
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(01-22-2014 10:24 PM)justinslot Wrote:  I just think the USFL is not the alternate football league any challenger conferences should emulate. Do whatever the AFL did if you can (as in Lamar Hunt, not Jim Foster.) (By the way intercollegiate arena football would be such a winner in some parts of the country.)

The formula is simple.
1. Have to be united.
2. Have to go out, beat your chest and declare yourself equal.
3. Have to have a TV network that loves you and gives you good exposures.
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I'll give some credit to Tallgrass for this one - if we were operating in a vacuum and this was purely a straight business decision that didn't impact anything else, moving G5 games to the spring isn't a bad idea. It can fill a football void during that time with little competition.

Now, the practical issues are that (1) as someone noted, it completely conflicts with the NFL draft process and the G5 has been producing enough pro prospects that they'd be essentially giving that talent away (as someone with realistic pro dreams won't even consider that calendar and (2) the G5 forego the ability to play the P5 at all, including the money from the the new CFP system. My guess is #2 is a big deal for many (most?) G5 schools as the new CFP money might actually be worth as much or more than what they could reasonably hope to receive in a spring league.

Still, it's at least an interesting thought.
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(01-22-2014 11:37 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I'll give some credit to Tallgrass for this one - if we were operating in a vacuum and this was purely a straight business decision that didn't impact anything else, moving G5 games to the spring isn't a bad idea. It can fill a football void during that time with little competition.

Now, the practical issues are that (1) as someone noted, it completely conflicts with the NFL draft process and the G5 has been producing enough pro prospects that they'd be essentially giving that talent away (as someone with realistic pro dreams won't even consider that calendar and (2) the G5 forego the ability to play the P5 at all, including the money from the the new CFP system. My guess is #2 is a big deal for many (most?) G5 schools as the new CFP money might actually be worth as much or more than what they could reasonably hope to receive in a spring league.

Still, it's at least an interesting thought.

(4) students not on campus, (5) G5 would be competing with baseball for TV eyeballs. P5>bb; G5<bb, imho, especially when all bb teams are still in the hunt for the pennant, and I don't really like baseball that much, and (6) try getting that through the NCAA.
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(01-22-2014 11:37 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I'll give some credit to Tallgrass for this one - if we were operating in a vacuum and this was purely a straight business decision that didn't impact anything else, moving G5 games to the spring isn't a bad idea. It can fill a football void during that time with little competition.

Now, the practical issues are that (1) as someone noted, it completely conflicts with the NFL draft process and the G5 has been producing enough pro prospects that they'd be essentially giving that talent away (as someone with realistic pro dreams won't even consider that calendar and (2) the G5 forego the ability to play the P5 at all, including the money from the the new CFP system. My guess is #2 is a big deal for many (most?) G5 schools as the new CFP money might actually be worth as much or more than what they could reasonably hope to receive in a spring league.

Still, it's at least an interesting thought.

The scheduling issue is why you would have to do a split schedule. Play one-third of the schedule Sept-Nov if you were so inclined to do such a thing.
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(01-23-2014 09:26 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(01-22-2014 11:37 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I'll give some credit to Tallgrass for this one - if we were operating in a vacuum and this was purely a straight business decision that didn't impact anything else, moving G5 games to the spring isn't a bad idea. It can fill a football void during that time with little competition.

Now, the practical issues are that (1) as someone noted, it completely conflicts with the NFL draft process and the G5 has been producing enough pro prospects that they'd be essentially giving that talent away (as someone with realistic pro dreams won't even consider that calendar and (2) the G5 forego the ability to play the P5 at all, including the money from the the new CFP system. My guess is #2 is a big deal for many (most?) G5 schools as the new CFP money might actually be worth as much or more than what they could reasonably hope to receive in a spring league.

Still, it's at least an interesting thought.

The scheduling issue is why you would have to do a split schedule. Play one-third of the schedule Sept-Nov if you were so inclined to do such a thing.

The Spring/Summer schedule could be extended to Mid-September in order for NonBCS teams to play BCS teams...for the money, a real issue.

Regarding the NFL tryouts, this is not a complicated issue to work out. Some solution can be found. I would argue that the NFL scouts would now have more time to devote to NonBCS players....since they don't have to scout BCS players during the Spring/Summer schedule.
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RE: Like USFL, should NonBCS conferences play football in spring thru summer?
(01-23-2014 01:22 AM)Lurker Above Wrote:  
(01-22-2014 11:37 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I'll give some credit to Tallgrass for this one - if we were operating in a vacuum and this was purely a straight business decision that didn't impact anything else, moving G5 games to the spring isn't a bad idea. It can fill a football void during that time with little competition.

Now, the practical issues are that (1) as someone noted, it completely conflicts with the NFL draft process and the G5 has been producing enough pro prospects that they'd be essentially giving that talent away (as someone with realistic pro dreams won't even consider that calendar and (2) the G5 forego the ability to play the P5 at all, including the money from the the new CFP system. My guess is #2 is a big deal for many (most?) G5 schools as the new CFP money might actually be worth as much or more than what they could reasonably hope to receive in a spring league.

Still, it's at least an interesting thought.

(4) students not on campus, (5) G5 would be competing with baseball for TV eyeballs. P5>bb; G5<bb, imho, especially when all bb teams are still in the hunt for the pennant, and I don't really like baseball that much, and (6) try getting that through the NCAA.

#4 and #6 are certainly major issues. In terms of #5 and competing with baseball, it's 6 on one side and a half-dozen on the other. In the fall, there's the NFL, pennant race and postseason baseball in October/November, and the NBA, NHL and college basketball all start in late-October/early-November. To me, that's really the most competitive part of the sports calendar of the year. The spring gets a little bit crowded with March Madness, the NBA and NHL playoffs and the start of MLB, but it's not quite as frenetic as the fall. The summer is actually a great time if you're trying to get more spots on the sports calendar to yourself. After the NBA Finals and Stanley Cup Finals are over, there isn't anything other than MLB as competition (and those are much lower impact games compared to the pennant race/postseason games in September and October).
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RE: Like USFL, should NonBCS conferences play football in spring thru summer?
For the P5 t-shirt fans ITT that don't get why this is such a crappy idea, change it slightly by asking "should all of NCAA div 1 football consider splitting the season fall/spring to avoid competition with the NFL and get more tv money?"
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RE: Like USFL, should NonBCS conferences play football in spring thru summer?
BcS Bowl for ONE qualified nonBcS team

Then the rest of the nonBcS should have their own “mini” playoff.
8 Teams (Conf “chumps” MAC, Conf USA, AAC, MWC, Sun, & 3 “invitee’s”)
Start w/ 4 games around Christmas
Semi final on New Year’s Day
Final day B4 BcS final

Could “add” a 16 team playoff W/ first game, 1st week of December
But that wold effect the nonBcS bowl candidate
(not determined until the 1st Sunday night in December.)

People would watch, increase fan interest
An ESPN competitor like Fox would B interested.
It would B a good TV draw.

Reason it won’t ever happen
NonBcS Conf Commissioner's unwilling to loosen
its one spot in a total of 6 BcS bowls.
A few years, its possible 2 nonBcS teams could make a BcS bowl.
But only, once every 10 years,
will a nonBcS B in the 4 team playoff, if ever!

Won’t happen because 21 nonBcS teams
played in minor bowl games this year.
It would be difficult to lessen the # of nonBcS schools
who could participate in a post season bowl

Sadly the division between the have & the have not’s
will continue to grow unless the nonBcS Conf can lessen the gap.
How?
Increase TV ratings would help!
A nonBcS playoff would do the trick!

P.S. what is needed in Spring is 4 the NCAA 2 allow
one or 2 controlled scrimmages per school w/ other schools.
Just like what all the High Schools do now!
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(01-23-2014 10:56 AM)HHOOTter Wrote:  BcS Bowl for ONE qualified nonBcS team

Then the rest of the nonBcS should have their own “mini” playoff.
8 Teams (Conf “chumps” MAC, Conf USA, AAC, MWC, Sun, & 3 “invitee’s”)
Start w/ 4 games around Christmas
Semi final on New Year’s Day
Final day B4 BcS final

Could “add” a 16 team playoff W/ first game, 1st week of December
But that wold effect the nonBcS bowl candidate
(not determined until the 1st Sunday night in December.)

People would watch, increase fan interest
An ESPN competitor like Fox would B interested.
It would B a good TV draw.

Reason it won’t ever happen
NonBcS Conf Commissioner's unwilling to loosen
its one spot in a total of 6 BcS bowls.
A few years, its possible 2 nonBcS teams could make a BcS bowl.
But only, once every 10 years,
will a nonBcS B in the 4 team playoff, if ever!

Won’t happen because 21 nonBcS teams
played in minor bowl games this year.
It would be difficult to lessen the # of nonBcS schools
who could participate in a post season bowl

Sadly the division between the have & the have not’s
will continue to grow unless the nonBcS Conf can lessen the gap.
How?
Increase TV ratings would help!
A nonBcS playoff would do the trick!

P.S. what is needed in Spring is 4 the NCAA 2 allow
one or 2 controlled scrimmages per school w/ other schools.
Just like what all the High Schools do now!

Worst.......haiku........ever.
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(01-23-2014 10:56 AM)HHOOTter Wrote:  BcS Bowl for ONE qualified nonBcS team

Then the rest of the nonBcS should have their own “mini” playoff.
8 Teams (Conf “chumps” MAC, Conf USA, AAC, MWC, Sun, & 3 “invitee’s”)
Start w/ 4 games around Christmas
Semi final on New Year’s Day
Final day B4 BcS final

Could “add” a 16 team playoff W/ first game, 1st week of December
But that wold effect the nonBcS bowl candidate
(not determined until the 1st Sunday night in December.)

People would watch, increase fan interest
An ESPN competitor like Fox would B interested.
It would B a good TV draw.

Reason it won’t ever happen
NonBcS Conf Commissioner's unwilling to loosen
its one spot in a total of 6 BcS bowls.
A few years, its possible 2 nonBcS teams could make a BcS bowl.
But only, once every 10 years,
will a nonBcS B in the 4 team playoff, if ever!

Won’t happen because 21 nonBcS teams
played in minor bowl games this year.
It would be difficult to lessen the # of nonBcS schools
who could participate in a post season bowl

Sadly the division between the have & the have not’s
will continue to grow unless the nonBcS Conf can lessen the gap.
How?
Increase TV ratings would help!
A nonBcS playoff would do the trick!

P.S. what is needed in Spring is 4 the NCAA 2 allow
one or 2 controlled scrimmages per school w/ other schools.
Just like what all the High Schools do now!

The most important thing for the G5 as a group is that they compete at the top level of college football and chase the same championship as the P5. A separate G5 championship destroys that. First, under your system, the best G5 team isn't even in the G5 championship. Second, the G5 championship would effectively determine who the 67th best team in the country is. Everyone cares who the best team in the country is---nobody is going to really care who #67 is. The FCS championships are of zero interest to most college football fans. I'm afraid a G5 championship would fare little better.

I do think the G5 could band together to fund a series of 2 or 3 bowls that pit the G5 champs (not in the access bowls) against #3/4 selections from the power conferences or agianst other G5 champs. I do think something like that might have media value, significant appeal to the public, and be beneficial to both the P5 and G5 if done right.
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Crazy Idea. It is football season. The problem with the WNBA is that it is played during the summer and not during basketball season. November through March. The WNBA should play from December to May.
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(01-23-2014 11:10 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(01-23-2014 10:56 AM)HHOOTter Wrote:  BcS Bowl for ONE qualified nonBcS team

Then the rest of the nonBcS should have their own “mini” playoff.
8 Teams (Conf “chumps” MAC, Conf USA, AAC, MWC, Sun, & 3 “invitee’s”)
Start w/ 4 games around Christmas
Semi final on New Year’s Day
Final day B4 BcS final

Could “add” a 16 team playoff W/ first game, 1st week of December
But that wold effect the nonBcS bowl candidate
(not determined until the 1st Sunday night in December.)

People would watch, increase fan interest
An ESPN competitor like Fox would B interested.
It would B a good TV draw.

Reason it won’t ever happen
NonBcS Conf Commissioner's unwilling to loosen
its one spot in a total of 6 BcS bowls.
A few years, its possible 2 nonBcS teams could make a BcS bowl.
But only, once every 10 years,
will a nonBcS B in the 4 team playoff, if ever!

Won’t happen because 21 nonBcS teams
played in minor bowl games this year.
It would be difficult to lessen the # of nonBcS schools
who could participate in a post season bowl

Sadly the division between the have & the have not’s
will continue to grow unless the nonBcS Conf can lessen the gap.
How?
Increase TV ratings would help!
A nonBcS playoff would do the trick!

P.S. what is needed in Spring is 4 the NCAA 2 allow
one or 2 controlled scrimmages per school w/ other schools.
Just like what all the High Schools do now!

The most important thing for the G5 as a group is that they compete at the top level of college football and chase the same championship as the P5. A separate G5 championship destroys that. First, under your system, the best G5 team isn't even in the G5 championship. Second, the G5 championship would effectively determine who the 67th best team in the country is. Everyone cares who the best team in the country is---nobody is going to really care who #67 is. The FCS championships are of zero interest to most college football fans. I'm afraid a G5 championship would fare little better.

I do think the G5 could band together to fund a series of 2 or 3 bowls that pit the G5 champs (not in the access bowls) against #3/4 selections from the power conferences or agianst other G5 champs. I do think something like that might have media value, significant appeal to the public, and be beneficial to both the P5 and G5 if done right.

It sounds like the equivalent to college basketball's NIT tournament. The only ones who care about it are the teams that are in it, if even that.
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Everyone is certainly entitled to their opinion...That's what these forums are for, but I just wish this thread would end NOW!! This is the dumbest one on these boards in quite sometime! Just my opinion. Move on.
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(01-23-2014 11:42 AM)TitanTopper Wrote:  Everyone is certainly entitled to their opinion...That's what these forums are for, but I just wish this thread would end NOW!! This is the dumbest one on these boards in quite sometime! Just my opinion. Move on.

Yes....the idea is STUPID...really relegate the GoF to Minor League status and once January hits all the best players would be heading to Florida and California to prepare for the NFL Combine and the NFL Draft...the Combine is in about 3 weeks.
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(01-23-2014 11:15 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  Crazy Idea. It is football season. The problem with the WNBA is that it is played during the summer and not during basketball season. November through March. The WNBA should play from December to May.

I'm sorry, but the problem with the WNBA is that it's women playing basketball. Nobody really wants to watch that regardless of the time of year.
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