cuseroc Wrote:

georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:

CyberBull Wrote:It was a little tongue and cheek, but if you read Tech's fans comments they fear playing UL b/c they have nothing to gain.

Then again, if UL has the kind of season some people are prognosticating the Yellow Jackets are going to look pretty foolish in dropping the Cardinals.

Let's face it, the ACC is a three team league: UM, FSM and Virginia Tech. Everyone else is considerable step down and don't have any room to knock BigEast teams in the media and definitely not on the field. So to say that the ACC is a much deeper league is ignorant.

You're full of it. The ACC *is* much deeper ... at the top, and BIG TIME at the middle. Everybody, even most reasonable Big East fans, would agree to that.

But of course, I wouldn't expect somebody who takes a thread discussing the scheduling conflicts Tech has and immediately jumps to "Georgia Tech is afraid of playing Louisville and will drop them" to think clearly to begin with.

You're either incredibly delusional, or you have the worst case of sour grapes I have ever seen.

I think you would be the one who is full of it if you think the acc is much deeper than the BE at the top. FSU, Miami, and VT are the 3 acc teams that I would consider at the top. The middle is where the acc is much deeper than the BE, with the likes of BC, Virginia, Clemson, and maybe GT.

Somebody will be joining FSU/Miami/VT at the top this year ... just a question of who. GT? Clemson? BC? The only true cupcake in the conference is Duke ... anybody else can take you if you don't bring your A game.

CatsClaw Wrote:Congratulations, you're barely deeper then a conference you just raided. Yay!

Your opinion is not one shared of by 90%+ of college football fans.

The Big East SHOULD be considerably more shallow than the ACC due to expansion and realignment.

I don't like ACC expansion any more than you (I hate VT, and think BC is an awful geographic fit .... I would be quite happy with Miami, UCF, (Florida/South Carolina).... but it's the facts of life.

As a Louisville fan, I hope this is true. Georgia Tech is an after thought as far as college football is concerned in Georgia. The only real college football team in the Peach State plays in Athens between the hedges. The 'Dawgs have beaten Tech 12 of the last 15 and this trend doesn't look to change anytime in the near future. Playing in the Big East we need to buck the trend of playing patsies and pump up our OOC schedule. Bottomline if we play anyone from Georgia it should be the 'Dawgs.
CJ

CardinalJim Wrote:As a Louisville fan, I hope this is true. Georgia Tech is an after thought as far as college football is concerned in Georgia. The only real college football team in the Peach State plays in Athens between the hedges. The 'Dawgs have beaten Tech 12 of the last 15 and this trend doesn't look to change anytime in the near future. Playing in the Big East we need to buck the trend of playing patsies and pump up our OOC schedule. Bottomline if we play anyone from Georgia it should be the 'Dawgs.
CJ

And Cardinal Jim you have that wish because we have a Home and Home with the Bulldogs coming up. But I wouldn't mind playing Georgia Tech as well. Hopefully everything will work out because this could be a good matchup and we could make some inroads in the rich Atlanta HS Football area.

georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:To the UCF fans hovering around .... in the same area as the "connection games" I mentioned in an earlier post, does anybody know if Tech has scheduled games against UCF yet? I know we played not that long ago -- George Godsey's coming out party was at home in a thriller over UCF actually -- but I am wondering if Tech will schedule UCF.

In specific ... there's a money problem.

O'Leary's buyout clause was $1,000,000. Notre Dame refused to pay after he resigned. O'Leary still owes Tech that $1,000,000. I think Tech won't schedule UCF until that's paid, either.

I've tried to forget about Ga Tech's last minute comeback vs UCF in 2000. That one hurt...it really hurt.

I was chosen to fly on the Team Plane that weekend...and the entire plane was still in shock when we left ATL.

UCF has played GT 3 times (all in ATL)...and don't think UCF will play GT again unless its a 1-1 or 2-1 deal.

UCF has been "over-scheduled" for the past few years...so there haven't really been openings...but I personally enjoy watching games at Grant Field...as the old sections of the stadium put you right on-top of the action!

GT's is College Football's Wrigley Field (even though they have updated it...a lot).

KL

PS. As long as O'Leary is Head Coach at UCF...I don't think the 2 teams will play. I don't think GT could handle a possible loss to O'Leary.

CardinalJim Wrote:As a Louisville fan, I hope this is true. Georgia Tech is an after thought as far as college football is concerned in Georgia. The only real college football team in the Peach State plays in Athens between the hedges. The 'Dawgs have beaten Tech 12 of the last 15 and this trend doesn't look to change anytime in the near future. Playing in the Big East we need to buck the trend of playing patsies and pump up our OOC schedule. Bottomline if we play anyone from Georgia it should be the 'Dawgs.
CJ

Georgia Tech has more traditional and historical merit in college football than the Dawgs ever will. South Carolina will put 80,000 in the seats to play a I-AA team ... doesn't change anything about the fact that they've done very little all time in college football. Stop mistaking sidewalk fans and bandwagoners of a party school for actual achievement.

National Championships:
Dawgs 1 (which Tech helped them win by tieing #1 Notre Dame)
Jackets 4

Just remember that trophy you're hoping the Louisville RB/QB win is named after Georgia Tech's first head coach, who became the first paid head coach of all time at Tech.

CatsClaw Wrote:

Bearcats#1 Wrote:Getch plays Florida State, Miami, VTech, and a host of other ACC teams that are at least on par with UofL on a yearly basis.....so.....why would they be afraid to play UofL?

Not a knock on UofL at all either, the comment just doesn't make sense.

A host of schools that are on par with Louisville yearly!? The ACC is a three trick pony. They're living off Miami and Florida State's past and Virginia Tech's one or two good years and then their collapse in other years. They collapsed down the stretch THIS year, cost themselves a national title, then a ACC title, and almost lost the Gator Bowl title to an undermanned Louisville squad. So I don't buy the excuse that the ACC is so deep that they have water down their OOC. I consider them the 4th best conference in the country behind the Big Ten, SEC and Big 12 (who had a down year last year). That is the old SEC trick of "we're so great so we play the Citadel OOC". And it gets your @ss burned every time. Ask Auburn.

Far be it for me to argue with a Bearcat brother in public.......I'm not saying the ACC is "SEC Deep"....I'm saying that GTech plays FSU, Miami, VaTech, NCSTate, and OOC games like Notre Dame so to say they are afraid to play UofL is laughable at best.

Oh, really! lmfao lmfao lmfao

CyberBull Wrote:...looks like Georgia Tech is dropping their series with UL to play traditional SEC 'power' Mississippi State

http://mb25.scout.com/fthehivefrm1.showM...=1&stop=20

Thats alright, I hope Louisville and Southern Miss could eventually work something out to renew our old series that C-USA felt they should ruin. I know many Southern Miss fans have said they would love to see the game renewed and I have seen where alot of Louisville fans on here have said something along those lines too. Hopefully Mr. Jurich and Mr Giannani can work a deal out eventually

Bearcats#1 Wrote:

CatsClaw Wrote:

Bearcats#1 Wrote:Getch plays Florida State, Miami, VTech, and a host of other ACC teams that are at least on par with UofL on a yearly basis.....so.....why would they be afraid to play UofL?

Not a knock on UofL at all either, the comment just doesn't make sense.

A host of schools that are on par with Louisville yearly!? The ACC is a three trick pony. They're living off Miami and Florida State's past and Virginia Tech's one or two good years and then their collapse in other years. They collapsed down the stretch THIS year, cost themselves a national title, then a ACC title, and almost lost the Gator Bowl title to an undermanned Louisville squad. So I don't buy the excuse that the ACC is so deep that they have water down their OOC. I consider them the 4th best conference in the country behind the Big Ten, SEC and Big 12 (who had a down year last year). That is the old SEC trick of "we're so great so we play the Citadel OOC". And it gets your @ss burned every time. Ask Auburn.

Far be it for me to argue with a Bearcat brother in public.......I'm not saying the ACC is "SEC Deep"....I'm saying that GTech plays FSU, Miami, VaTech, NCSTate, and OOC games like Notre Dame so to say they are afraid to play UofL is laughable at best.

I agree. I wasn't arguing with you so much as georgia_tech and other ACC fans who think they're 8 deep or something.

ACC > Big East

Upper level Schools, by conference:
ACC: Florida State, Miami, Virginia Tech
Big East: West Virginia

On the crust of being "Upper Level", by Conference
ACC: Boston College, Clemson
Big East: Louisville

Middle-tier Schools, by conference
ACC: NC State, Maryland, Virginia, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, Wake Forest
Big East: Rutgers, UConn, Pitt, South Florida

Cupcakes, by conference
ACC: Duke
Big East: Cincy, Syracuse

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Notes:
- Had Louisville beat VT in the Gator Bowl, maybe I'd consider them Upper Level, but not now.
- Syracuse has a chance to escape "cupcake" status by beating Wake Forest in the opener.

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Yea, the Big East is on par with the ACC... lmfao

MongoSlade Wrote:ACC > Big East

Upper level Schools, by conference:
ACC: Florida State, Miami, Virginia Tech
Big East: West Virginia

On the crust of being "Upper Level", by Conference
ACC: Boston College, Clemson
Big East: Louisville

Middle-tier Schools, by conference
ACC: NC State, Maryland, Virginia, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, Wake Forest
Big East: Rutgers, UConn, Pitt, South Florida

Cupcakes, by conference
ACC: Duke
Big East: Cincy, Syracuse

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Notes:
- Had Louisville beat VT in the Gator Bowl, maybe I'd consider them Upper Level, but not now.
- Syracuse has a chance to escape "cupcake" status by beating Wake Forest in the opener.

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Yea, the Big East is on par with the ACC... lmfao

The argument was not that the BE was on par with the acc. Noone beleives that, not at this time, but maybe in the future. Louisville could beat anybody in the acc. You will have them in your upper level before the season is over with after they manhandle miami. And how could you put wake as a middle tier team? When was the last time that they even had a winning season? I would not put SU and Cincy as cupcakes because of 1 season. Both teams went to bowls the year before. When was the last time Wake or Duke went to a bowl? For that matter, its been awhile since unc went to a bowl. The way that Louisville beat them by 6 or 7 touchdowns last year, I would say they are a cupcake. lmfao

MongoSlade Wrote:ACC > Big East

Upper level Schools, by conference:
ACC: Florida State, Miami, Virginia Tech
Big East: West Virginia

On the crust of being "Upper Level", by Conference
ACC: Boston College, Clemson
Big East: Louisville

Middle-tier Schools, by conference
ACC: NC State, Maryland, Virginia, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, Wake Forest
Big East: Rutgers, UConn, Pitt, South Florida

Cupcakes, by conference
ACC: Duke
Big East: Cincy, Syracuse

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Notes:
- Had Louisville beat VT in the Gator Bowl, maybe I'd consider them Upper Level, but not now.
- Syracuse has a chance to escape "cupcake" status by beating Wake Forest in the opener.

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Yea, the Big East is on par with the ACC... lmfao

The Coaches Poll disagrees with you. Louisville is ranked ahead of this year VPI and in the same range as FSU and Miami. WVU is ranked ahead of all of them.

How precious another ACC cheerleader shows up to tell us how great John Swafford's basketball abortion known as ACC football really is. Nice ranking.... lmfao lmfao lmfao I notice three of your four top ranked teams are former Big East teams. The ACC was nothing before expansion but FSU and a bunch of basketball schools. Now its FSU, Miami, VT and a bunch of basketball schools. You even list BC on the cusp of greatness, and contrary to media hype, BC was never the third or fourth best program in the Big East....EVER
Sure the ACC is a better league today than the Big East but its not because the ACC has done anything on its own to improve. Schools like Maryland, Virgina, Clemson, Georgia Tech and UNC, where football mediocrity has been embraced for decades, will grow weary of never finishing better than fourth in a league where mediocrity was always rewarded with a bowl game in the past. The rumblings have aleady started and will grow louder as the rich of the ACC (FSU, Miami, VT) get richer and the poor of the ACC ( the rest of the league) get poorer. The recipe that Swafford chose to use when he cooked up this scheme will yield nothing but a bunch of cupcakes.
As for your Louisville ranking. The Cardinals played the runners up of the ACC, VT, in the Gator Bowl without their starting QB, Brian Brohm. Given another shot I'm sure the Cards would "step" on the Hokies. BTW couldn't help but reference that little incident. How proud you, Swagger and Swafford must be to be associated with such a fine student athlete as Marcus Vick. lmfao lmfao lmfao
CJ
BTW nice sig pic...now go win a championship with your own team instead of Hartfords.

cuseroc Wrote:The argument was not that the BE was on par with the acc. Noone beleives that, not at this time, but maybe in the future. Louisville could beat anybody in the acc. You will have them in your upper level before the season is over with after they manhandle miami. And how could you put wake as a middle tier team? When was the last time that they even had a winning season? I would not put SU and Cincy as cupcakes because of 1 season. Both teams went to bowls the year before. When was the last time Wake or Duke went to a bowl? For that matter, its been awhile since unc went to a bowl. The way that Louisville beat them by 6 or 7 touchdowns last year, I would say they are a cupcake. lmfao

No, a few of the realllllly sour grapes are indeed saying just what you claim "noone believes".

UNC did bowl not that long ago (year or two ago?) ... but their bowl drought is indicative of their suicidal schedule. Wake destroyed Oregon in the last Seattle Bowl (~2002?). Duke has been ... well... Duke ever since Spurrier left. Their last bowl was probably around 1989. Duke does have some football history, and I think they've been to the all 4 of the big bowls. It's just that football has become long forgotten in Durham, sadly.

CardinalJim Wrote:The ACC was nothing before expansion but FSU and a bunch of basketball schools. Now its FSU, Miami, VT and a bunch of basketball schools.

Laughable statement at best.

Quote:You even list BC on the cusp of greatness, and contrary to media hype, BC was never the third or fourth best program in the Big East....EVER

Outright lie. 2004 Big East Champions:
Boston College (4-2)
Pittsburgh (4-2)
Syracuse (4-2)
West Virginia (4-2)

Quote:Sure the ACC is a better league today than the Big East but its not because the ACC has done anything on its own to improve. Schools like Maryland, Virgina, Clemson, Georgia Tech and UNC, where football mediocrity has been embraced for decades, will grow weary of never finishing better than fourth in a league where mediocrity was always rewarded with a bowl game in the past.

Another laughable statement. The ACC was in a facilities arms race long before conference expansion was being discussed. FSU, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Maryland, Virginia, and NC State I know all did major campus renovations. Georgia Tech, NC State, and Clemson all renovated and expanded their stadiums.

Also, Maryland, Clemson, and Georgia Tech are among the more historical and tradition rich programs... each having National Championships, and Maryland being one of the VERY few programs to have a NC in basketball and football.

Quote:The rumblings have aleady started and will grow louder as the rich of the ACC (FSU, Miami, VT) get richer and the poor of the ACC ( the rest of the league) get poorer.

This is also moronic. The ACC payout per-team is the highest it has EVER been ... and indeed it's the highest of any conference in the nation, period. The ACC has gotten richer -- in fact, richer than was projected prior to expansion.

Quote:As for your Louisville ranking. The Cardinals played the runners up of the ACC, VT, in the Gator Bowl without their starting QB, Brian Brohm. Given another shot I'm sure the Cards would "step" on the Hokies.

Yea yea and if I had a chance to kick every GT player in the nuts before kick off, maybe they would have been pissed off enough not to lolly gag around and get destroyed by Utah. Results are results.

Quote:BTW couldn't help but reference that little incident. How proud you, Swagger and Swafford must be to be associated with such a fine student athlete as Marcus Vick.

I have stated frequently that I don't think BC or VT belong in the ACC, so your angle on that one is way off base.

Again... my ideal ACC:
- Swap Boston College for UCF
- Swap Virginia Tech for Florida

georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:

cuseroc Wrote:The argument was not that the BE was on par with the acc. Noone beleives that, not at this time, but maybe in the future. Louisville could beat anybody in the acc. You will have them in your upper level before the season is over with after they manhandle miami. And how could you put wake as a middle tier team? When was the last time that they even had a winning season? I would not put SU and Cincy as cupcakes because of 1 season. Both teams went to bowls the year before. When was the last time Wake or Duke went to a bowl? For that matter, its been awhile since unc went to a bowl. The way that Louisville beat them by 6 or 7 touchdowns last year, I would say they are a cupcake. lmfao

No, a few of the realllllly sour grapes are indeed saying just what you claim "noone believes".

UNC did bowl not that long ago (year or two ago?) ... but their bowl drought is indicative of their suicidal schedule. Wake destroyed Oregon in the last Seattle Bowl (~2002?). Duke has been ... well... Duke ever since Spurrier left. Their last bowl was probably around 1989. Duke does have some football history, and I think they've been to the all 4 of the big bowls. It's just that football has become long forgotten in Durham, sadly.

I just went back and sifted thru the threads. Not one person said anything about the acc and BE being on par. There were alot of comments about GT avoiding Louisville, and how the acc is a 3 trick poney now (But it used to be a one trick poney with fsu and take your pick). because one of those 3 programs will always represent the acc bcs bid, I agree.

The acc is a little deeper at the top than the BE, but its alot deeper in the middle, because quite simply, you have more programs. But at the bottom, the BE is deeper as I think SU would beat Duke and Cincy would beat Wake.

BTW Duke has only been to 9 bowls, last being in 1995. And Wake last went to a bowl in 2002, which was the 7 bowl apprearance for them.

cuseroc Wrote:I just went back and sifted thru the threads. Not one person said anything about the acc and BE being on par. There were alot of comments about GT avoiding Louisville, and how the acc is a 3 trick poney now (But it used to be a one trick poney with fsu and take your pick). because one of those 3 programs will always represent the acc bcs bid, I agree.

The acc is a little deeper at the top than the BE, but its alot deeper in the middle, because quite simply, you have more programs. But at the bottom, the BE is deeper as I think SU and Cince would both beat Wake and Duke.

The USF fan claiming the BE was deeper than the ACC is akin to saying it's better. I would look closer, but I have not the time or motivation to realllllly start pouring over things.

Don't underestimate the Deacs .... Jim Grobe is a hell of a coach ... and if Gailey gets run off for not breaking through the glass ceiling, I'd be thrilled for him to coach for Tech. Nobody in America does more with less. He has essentially taken Duke and made them into a bowl competitor, and successful bowl competitor at that. I'll give you any BE team ... or indeed virtually any BCS team and most non-BCS teams ... over Duke.

MongoSlade Wrote:ACC > Big East

Upper level Schools, by conference:
ACC: Florida State, Miami, Virginia Tech
Big East: West Virginia

On the crust of being "Upper Level", by Conference
ACC: Boston College, Clemson
Big East: Louisville

Middle-tier Schools, by conference
ACC: NC State, Maryland, Virginia, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, Wake Forest
Big East: Rutgers, UConn, Pitt, South Florida

Cupcakes, by conference
ACC: Duke
Big East: Cincy, Syracuse

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Notes:
- Had Louisville beat VT in the Gator Bowl, maybe I'd consider them Upper Level, but not now.
- Syracuse has a chance to escape "cupcake" status by beating Wake Forest in the opener.

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Yea, the Big East is on par with the ACC... lmfao

If you are JUST talking about last year, okay, I can go with most of your rankings...however:

Cuse and Cincy had complete rebuilding years last year and were down...speaking at least for UC only at this point, we were down, even by our own standards. We have been to five bowl games since 1997...yes, none of them are BIG time bowls but the point is, to put UC football in the same breath as hapless Duke is an insult....

Cuse has seen better days but again, to put Duke with Cuse is a joke. Cuse is down, sure but they are not as poor year in year out as Duke.

1. FSU has lost 11 conference games since joining the ACC 14 years ago. Until Miami and VT joined the league two years ago, the Seminoles had only lost more than one conference game in a season once. Since the arrival of the Canes and Hokies, FSU has lost two conference games in 2004 and three conference games last season. Bottomline in 12 full seasons of ACC before Miami and VT joined FSU lost 6 conference games. Like I said before, the ACC was FSU and a bunch of basketball schools.

2. You do know BC had an overall losing record in the Big East don't you? To use the year when Miami and VT left the league and they only tied with three other teams as an example of BC greatness, that is at best a stretch. Just admit it you bought into the media hype. It's OK we don't want the lying, backstabing, elitist snobs back anyway. Besides they fit all to well in the ACC.

3. Now stadium renovations equates to successful football programs. Perhaps that should be added to the BCS criteria. Bottomline the ACC is full of schools that don't give a damn about football. They pay lip service to it but schools like UNC, Wake, NCState and Duke have always been basketball first schools and always will be. Thats why they all fought so hard against Swafford's expansion. A clue for the clueless: If you have to go back to the days of the leather helmet to cite the greatness of a program, it usually means it sucks today and it's a stretch to even mention it.

4. Actually the BCS payment in the ACC was lower than that of the Big East. Simple math...14 million divided by 12 schools is less than the same 14 million divided by 8 schools. Nice try though, sorry most of us here don't buy it.

5. WOW...even I can't believe that the high pinky, hoity-toity ACC would condone what the criminals from Blacksburg did in the Gator Bowl. But then again, as you said "results are results". BTW some no tolerance policy Beamer has for his Hokies, isn't it. Any real conference would have sanctioned a coach for antics like Franks but not the ACC.

6. As for taking Florida and UCF...the Gators won't even play Miami OOC. No way they are going to join a league with the Canes. UCF is a fine up and coming program but would add little to the ACC's "tradition", as little as it is. lmfao lmfao lmfao
As for giving up BC or VT, sorry we don't want them back. As I said before the snobbish Eagles are a perfect fit in the ACC. Boston and the arrogant ACC attitude are made for each other. VT, on the otherhand, is a perfect fit for the ACC. Every snob needs someone they can look down upon, the ACC has the Hokies. Don't worry the Cavs at UVA have been doing it for years and I'm sure they'll be able to teach their old friends in the ACC how to do it in no time.
Heres's hoping the ACC has a successful season, finally sells out its championship game and doesn't send another four loss champ to the BCS. lmfao lmfao lmfao
CJ