(01-20-2014 01:30 PM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(01-19-2014 12:02 PM)gotigersgo111111 Wrote:  I wonder about Memphis. I think it would be big 12?

That's where the primary push is, but we are likely out unless they expand to 14 or more. We have some nice pluses for them, one of the biggest TV markets for CFB, we're in SEC territory, great recruiting area (both football and basketball), a top CBB program, a large football stadium and an NBA arena, etc, but we have a couple big minuses, perceived poor academics and lack of national appeal. Bad football doesn't hurt as much as folks think, but it doesn't help either.

I think the national appeal is getting better. This year needs to be a good one for Memphis football, but I think getting into the big twelve will help football. Better team+ better opponents= Bigger crowds= more national spotlight. I think the positives outweigh the negatives

(01-19-2014 11:56 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-19-2014 11:50 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(01-19-2014 10:15 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-18-2014 07:19 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  That could lead to AAC programs like Cincinnati or UCF trying to work their way in to another conference willing to take them on board. Perhaps even Houston. Remember, television markets are key ingredients in any realignment move. The power conferences likely have all of them accounted for at this point, but adding a little extra is rarely frowned upon."

If any existing AAC programs were appealing to Power 5 conferences, they would have been invited by now. During the last big realignment shakeup, the only ones that were appealing on their own terms were Syracuse and Pitt. All the other Big East teams that got promoted only were so after a P5 was raided and became desperate for a warm body. The GORs have put an end to that, and thus to any hopes of AAC team promotions for the next several years.

It won't be too long before the Big 12 adds 2/4 teams to get their conference championship game. The only real options they can take from are BYU, MWC schools, and AAC schools (with the AAC schools being the most desirable of those choices in many peoples' opinions).

I wish I agreed, but I don't see any evidence that the Big 12 feels the need to have a championship game. The only sources who seem to think they do are fans of schools that hope that if they did, their school would be one of the invitees.

Great point QuoVadis..........everytime I read a post that the Big12 needs to expand or will have to expand etc., I look to see what school that poster is a fan of and mostly it is from a school that thinks or HOPES they might have a chance of being one of the teams invited.

(01-19-2014 12:54 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(01-19-2014 12:40 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-19-2014 12:20 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(01-19-2014 11:56 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-19-2014 11:50 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  It won't be too long before the Big 12 adds 2/4 teams to get their conference championship game. The only real options they can take from are BYU, MWC schools, and AAC schools (with the AAC schools being the most desirable of those choices in many peoples' opinions).

I wish I agreed, but I don't see any evidence that the Big 12 feels the need to have a championship game. The only sources who seem to think they do are fans of schools that hope that if they did, their school would be one of the invitees.

Since their conference champion was beat by a constantly underrated UCF team in the Fiesta, I wouldn't be surprised if the Big 12 is looked at as the weakest of the P5.

I seriously doubt that, since (a) their third-place team beat mighty Alabama in the higher-profile Sugar Bowl, and (b) nobody rates any conference based on one year results anyway.

When a majority of fans from Texas and Oklahoma start saying the Big 12 needs a title game and speculating on what schools to invite, I'll take that talk seriously. But as long as it's coming almost only from UConn, Cincy, Houston, or yes USF fans, I won't, and neither should you.

Go to Big 12 member forum sites and you'll see the majority of the schools in that conference want a CCG.

I totally disagree with your statement. The majority of the schools do not want a CCG. I regularly read the Big12 member boards. SOME vocal fans that post on message boards would like a CCG, but that does not mean the majority of the fans and certainly not the majority of the schools do. There is a difference between what fans on message boards want and what the schools want.

Bowlsby has said that most of the schools do not want a CCG and that if he took a vote only two would likely vote for a CCG. He has also said that IF they expanded to 12 teams that they still might not have a CCG.

(01-20-2014 01:30 PM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(01-19-2014 12:02 PM)gotigersgo111111 Wrote:  I wonder about Memphis. I think it would be big 12?

That's where the primary push is, but we are likely out unless they expand to 14 or more. We have some nice pluses for them, one of the biggest TV markets for CFB, we're in SEC territory, great recruiting area (both football and basketball), a top CBB program, a large football stadium and an NBA arena, etc, but we have a couple big minuses, perceived poor academics and lack of national appeal. Bad football doesn't hurt as much as folks think, but it doesn't help either.

rutgers to the big 10 proved that expansion has absolutely nothing to do with sports, tradition, or academics

(01-20-2014 08:50 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(01-19-2014 12:54 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(01-19-2014 12:40 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-19-2014 12:20 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(01-19-2014 11:56 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  I wish I agreed, but I don't see any evidence that the Big 12 feels the need to have a championship game. The only sources who seem to think they do are fans of schools that hope that if they did, their school would be one of the invitees.

Since their conference champion was beat by a constantly underrated UCF team in the Fiesta, I wouldn't be surprised if the Big 12 is looked at as the weakest of the P5.

I seriously doubt that, since (a) their third-place team beat mighty Alabama in the higher-profile Sugar Bowl, and (b) nobody rates any conference based on one year results anyway.

When a majority of fans from Texas and Oklahoma start saying the Big 12 needs a title game and speculating on what schools to invite, I'll take that talk seriously. But as long as it's coming almost only from UConn, Cincy, Houston, or yes USF fans, I won't, and neither should you.

Go to Big 12 member forum sites and you'll see the majority of the schools in that conference want a CCG.

I totally disagree with your statement. I regularly read the Big12 member boards. Some vocal fans that post on message boards would like a CCG, but thay does not mean the majority of the schools do.

Bowlsby has said that most of the schools do not want a CCG and that if he took a vote only two would likely vote for a CCG. He has also said that IF they expanded to 12 teams that they still might not have a CCG.

I know the Big 12 schools are all Texas' minions and ultimately do as they're told. The question really comes down to whether there's a breaking point...like the Big 12 not making the 4 team playoff a couple years in a row.

I still say with WVU out on an Island that The Big 12 could vastly improve Their viewership output by adding 4-6 schools to the East where the population bases are Located. All are Major Markets and these schools have lots of growth potential to become Major players within the next 10 years with Big 12 Membership . 4 of those schools have final four credentials and Cincy has National titles to help with Kansas and OSU, Baylor for Basketball power in the conference.
Cincinnati
Memphis
Tulane
USF
UCF
Houston

(01-20-2014 09:00 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(01-20-2014 08:50 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(01-19-2014 12:54 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(01-19-2014 12:40 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-19-2014 12:20 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  Since their conference champion was beat by a constantly underrated UCF team in the Fiesta, I wouldn't be surprised if the Big 12 is looked at as the weakest of the P5.

I seriously doubt that, since (a) their third-place team beat mighty Alabama in the higher-profile Sugar Bowl, and (b) nobody rates any conference based on one year results anyway.

When a majority of fans from Texas and Oklahoma start saying the Big 12 needs a title game and speculating on what schools to invite, I'll take that talk seriously. But as long as it's coming almost only from UConn, Cincy, Houston, or yes USF fans, I won't, and neither should you.

Go to Big 12 member forum sites and you'll see the majority of the schools in that conference want a CCG.

I totally disagree with your statement. I regularly read the Big12 member boards. Some vocal fans that post on message boards would like a CCG, but thay does not mean the majority of the schools do.

Bowlsby has said that most of the schools do not want a CCG and that if he took a vote only two would likely vote for a CCG. He has also said that IF they expanded to 12 teams that they still might not have a CCG.

I know the Big 12 schools are all Texas' minions and ultimately do as they're told. The question really comes down to whether there's a breaking point...like the Big 12 not making the 4 team playoff a couple years in a row.

Sorry, but by your own statements, it is apparent you do not know very much about the Big12. If you did you would know why they do not like CCG's. If a Big12 teams deserves to get in they will get in.

(01-20-2014 09:07 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(01-20-2014 09:00 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(01-20-2014 08:50 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(01-19-2014 12:54 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(01-19-2014 12:40 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  I seriously doubt that, since (a) their third-place team beat mighty Alabama in the higher-profile Sugar Bowl, and (b) nobody rates any conference based on one year results anyway.

When a majority of fans from Texas and Oklahoma start saying the Big 12 needs a title game and speculating on what schools to invite, I'll take that talk seriously. But as long as it's coming almost only from UConn, Cincy, Houston, or yes USF fans, I won't, and neither should you.

Go to Big 12 member forum sites and you'll see the majority of the schools in that conference want a CCG.

I totally disagree with your statement. I regularly read the Big12 member boards. Some vocal fans that post on message boards would like a CCG, but thay does not mean the majority of the schools do.

Bowlsby has said that most of the schools do not want a CCG and that if he took a vote only two would likely vote for a CCG. He has also said that IF they expanded to 12 teams that they still might not have a CCG.

I know the Big 12 schools are all Texas' minions and ultimately do as they're told. The question really comes down to whether there's a breaking point...like the Big 12 not making the 4 team playoff a couple years in a row.

Sorry, but by your own statements, it is apparent you do not know very much about the Big12. If you did you would know why they do not like CCG's. If a Big12 teams deserves to get in they will get in.

Stop trolling. Everyone has their own opinion. I doubt you have anymore insider information than anyone else on this board.

(01-20-2014 09:03 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  I still say with WVU out on an Island that The Big 12 could vastly improve Their viewership output by adding 4-6 schools to the East where the population bases are Located. All are Major Markets and these schools have lots of growth potential to become Major players within the next 10 years with Big 12 Membership . 4 of those schools have final four credentials and Cincy has National titles to help with Kansas and OSU, Baylor for Basketball power in the conference.
Cincinnati
Memphis
Tulane
USF
UCF
Houston

Here is what would really get West Virginia off that island!

West Virginia
East Carolina
Cincinnati
Northern Illinois
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State

Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas
Texas Tech
Baylor
TCU
BYU

(01-20-2014 08:53 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(01-20-2014 01:30 PM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(01-19-2014 12:02 PM)gotigersgo111111 Wrote:  I wonder about Memphis. I think it would be big 12?

That's where the primary push is, but we are likely out unless they expand to 14 or more. We have some nice pluses for them, one of the biggest TV markets for CFB, we're in SEC territory, great recruiting area (both football and basketball), a top CBB program, a large football stadium and an NBA arena, etc, but we have a couple big minuses, perceived poor academics and lack of national appeal. Bad football doesn't hurt as much as folks think, but it doesn't help either.

rutgers to the big 10 proved that expansion has absolutely nothing to do with sports, tradition, or academics

Depends on the scenario, every acquisition has had its own set of circumstances, Rutgers/Maryland was entirely about TV market share and nothing more. Every expansion addition has had a different set of reasons than the previous and it's foolhardy to say, "well it happened over there, so it can happen here." With Texas and Oklahoma in conference (and one must assume they are there until they aren't), a national profile is critical for that school to cover (or attempt to cover) the expense of having them in the conference, it's something unique to the B12. Should either of them not be there, then what's left of the Big 12 will take the best available and that may be up to eight schools. Of course there's a downside to that second scenario, without their flagships, the B12 will be regulated to mid-major status, stuck with a contract that likely gets cut in half and calls for half their games to appear on little watched Fox Sports 1...

(01-20-2014 09:29 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(01-20-2014 09:03 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  I still say with WVU out on an Island that The Big 12 could vastly improve Their viewership output by adding 4-6 schools to the East where the population bases are Located. All are Major Markets and these schools have lots of growth potential to become Major players within the next 10 years with Big 12 Membership . 4 of those schools have final four credentials and Cincy has National titles to help with Kansas and OSU, Baylor for Basketball power in the conference.
Cincinnati
Memphis
Tulane
USF
UCF
Houston

Here is what would really get West Virginia off that island!

West Virginia
East Carolina
Cincinnati
Northern Illinois
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State

Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas
Texas Tech
Baylor
TCU
BYU

(01-20-2014 09:38 PM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(01-20-2014 09:29 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(01-20-2014 09:03 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  I still say with WVU out on an Island that The Big 12 could vastly improve Their viewership output by adding 4-6 schools to the East where the population bases are Located. All are Major Markets and these schools have lots of growth potential to become Major players within the next 10 years with Big 12 Membership . 4 of those schools have final four credentials and Cincy has National titles to help with Kansas and OSU, Baylor for Basketball power in the conference.
Cincinnati
Memphis
Tulane
USF
UCF
Houston

Here is what would really get West Virginia off that island!

West Virginia
East Carolina
Cincinnati
Northern Illinois
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State

Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas
Texas Tech
Baylor
TCU
BYU

Memphis adds no value to the B12

BYU is an enigma to me. Good athletics, lots of money, national fan support. Is it the religious part/not playing well with others/no Sunday games that have made P5s (PAC and Big 12) stay away? Why Utah/Colorado and West Virginia/TCU before them?

(01-20-2014 09:38 PM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(01-20-2014 09:29 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(01-20-2014 09:03 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  I still say with WVU out on an Island that The Big 12 could vastly improve Their viewership output by adding 4-6 schools to the East where the population bases are Located. All are Major Markets and these schools have lots of growth potential to become Major players within the next 10 years with Big 12 Membership . 4 of those schools have final four credentials and Cincy has National titles to help with Kansas and OSU, Baylor for Basketball power in the conference.
Cincinnati
Memphis
Tulane
USF
UCF
Houston

Here is what would really get West Virginia off that island!

West Virginia
East Carolina
Cincinnati
Northern Illinois
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State

Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas
Texas Tech
Baylor
TCU
BYU

Memphis adds no value to the B12

(01-20-2014 09:43 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(01-20-2014 09:38 PM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(01-20-2014 09:29 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(01-20-2014 09:03 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  I still say with WVU out on an Island that The Big 12 could vastly improve Their viewership output by adding 4-6 schools to the East where the population bases are Located. All are Major Markets and these schools have lots of growth potential to become Major players within the next 10 years with Big 12 Membership . 4 of those schools have final four credentials and Cincy has National titles to help with Kansas and OSU, Baylor for Basketball power in the conference.
Cincinnati
Memphis
Tulane
USF
UCF
Houston

Here is what would really get West Virginia off that island!

West Virginia
East Carolina
Cincinnati
Northern Illinois
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State

Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas
Texas Tech
Baylor
TCU
BYU

Memphis adds no value to the B12

hooked, see kids, it's easy, oh and

(01-20-2014 09:43 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  BYU is an enigma to me. Good athletics, lots of money, national fan support. Is it the religious part/not playing well with others/no Sunday games that have made P5s (PAC and Big 12) stay away? Why Utah/Colorado and West Virginia/TCU before them?

I think, and this is just my personal opinion from afar, it's a mix of Notre Dame complex and not playing well with others. Though the P12 issue is also in regard to their religious affiliation, the Cali schools aren't fans, to put it mildly.

BYU has had multiple chances and trashed all of them. really the Utah market adds nothing to the Big 12 either. just another travel nightmare. While currently Memphis is not a Football addition to the Big 12 the Basketball side makes up much like Kansas does for Big12 Basketball. However given a P5 conference and Memphis support They could vastly improve their Football side. This is all potential for any other schools I mentioned. Being in the Central part of the country I could see Them adding USF, UCF, SDSU, amd Fresno St for having CA, FL and TX in one conference. Those are the only Currently Big state CA, FL options available as other P5 schools aren't leaving anytime soon.

I could see the Big XII scooping up ECU and Cincinnati to please WV. I also wouldn't be surprised to see UCF & BYU added as well. Those 4 schools would add a lot of upside. All four play quality football (Big XII is a football 1st conference) and all four bring passionate, strong fan-bases and quality facilities as well.

(01-20-2014 10:33 PM)Indiana Bones Wrote:  I could see the Big XII scooping up ECU and Cincinnati to please WV. I also wouldn't be surprised to see UCF & BYU added as well. Those 4 schools would add a lot of upside. All four play quality football (Big XII is a football 1st conference) and all four bring passionate, strong fan-bases and quality facilities as well.

an ECU fan thinks the Big 12 could be interested in ECU.

(01-20-2014 10:54 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-20-2014 10:33 PM)Indiana Bones Wrote:  I could see the Big XII scooping up ECU and Cincinnati to please WV. I also wouldn't be surprised to see UCF & BYU added as well. Those 4 schools would add a lot of upside. All four play quality football (Big XII is a football 1st conference) and all four bring passionate, strong fan-bases and quality facilities as well.

an ECU fan thinks the Big 12 could be interested in ECU.

USF still has a "fan" left? Maybe some day you guys can get your own stadium as well.