I think in that case the SEC makes one last pitch to both VT and NC State.

Get 'em both, great. If you only get one, get them +WVU

If neither bite, get FSU and WVU

Let the ACC and PAC worry about taking the original B12 teams

(01-20-2014 05:27 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-20-2014 04:36 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-20-2014 04:30 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-19-2014 09:20 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  The Big Ten isn't staying at 14. One way or another, they will expand.

Could you look into your crystal ball and tell me when and with whom?

Virginia and Syracuse.........................well how about Kansas and Connecticut.

It's a good thing that you weren't serious about Syracuse and Virginia......how would you tell them apart from Illinois?

By the way that old solution you gave above still works for me. As to Illinois, Syracuse, and Virginia does it matter? They look the same, win about as often, and all have somewhat tepid fans. But hey, if the SEC can have 3 sets of Tigers who am I to criticize?

(01-20-2014 05:39 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  I think in that case the SEC makes one last pitch to both VT and NC State.

Get 'em both, great. If you only get one, get them +WVU

If neither bite, get FSU and WVU

Let the ACC and PAC worry about taking the original B12 teams

I can't speak to Virginia politics and Virginia Tech, but I can tell you one FACT about the UNC system. Tom Ross will never allow Carolina and State to seperate.
As for Florida State, if you can put up with all of the whining and complaining......be my guest.

The only way I would want FSU is if we could add Texas also. Then switch Auburn/Bama and Mizzou/Vandy divisions. That would just about balance the conference.

(01-20-2014 09:24 PM)XLance Wrote:  I can't speak to Virginia politics and Virginia Tech, but I can tell you one FACT about the UNC system. Tom Ross will never allow Carolina and State to seperate.
As for Florida State, if you can put up with all of the whining and complaining......be my guest.

Why not? As long as they are in viable conferences (UNC->B1G, NCSU->SEC) would it really matter?

No need for the conference killing cancer. Austin already has the highest A&M viewing ratings in TX!

We need eastern markets for the network which makes NC and VA the priority.

Only hard part is that VT and NC state don't seem anxious to leave unless UNC/UVA leave first...which is not out of the realm of possibility if the B1G comes calling for either UNC or UVA.

Of those 2, UVA seems more likely to jump

(01-21-2014 09:32 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  No need for the conference killing cancer. Austin already has the highest A&M viewing ratings in TX!

We need eastern markets for the network which makes NC and VA the priority.

Only hard part is that VT and NC state don't seem anxious to leave unless UNC/UVA leave first...which is not out of the realm of possibility if the B1G comes calling for either UNC or UVA.

Of those 2, UVA seems more likely to jump

At this point it only takes 1. But, to do the ACC in it takes 12. Now you could have the SEC take 4, the Big 10 take 4 and the Big 12 take as many as the other 7 plus B.Y.U.

I say 4 10th because if there is ever movement in the ACC Duke, N.C. & UVa are all likely to want to stay connected whether they go to the SEC or Big 10. N.C. State, Virginia Tech, Clemson and Florida State are 4 of their top 6 brands.

Miami, Wake Forest, Georgia Tech and Miami give the Big 12 a Southern Pod. Louisville and Pittsburgh with the addition of Boston College would give the Big 12 a Northern Pod. Then Iowa State, Kansas, Oklahoma State, and Baylor for the Central and Texas, Texas Christian, Texas Tech and B.Y.U. for the West.

The Big 10 would have Duke, U.N.C., Virginia and Syracuse. The PAC would be SOL. But something like that is the only way I seeing the ACC issue getting resolved without a huge mess and then understand that the only reason the 8 that would move to the SEC and Big 10 would move is if they didn't get a network and fell behind monetarily to the degree that they would have to move. And if they don't get a network that is very possible by 2016.

(01-21-2014 09:32 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  No need for the conference killing cancer. Austin already has the highest A&M viewing ratings in TX!

We need eastern markets for the network which makes NC and VA the priority.

Only hard part is that VT and NC state don't seem anxious to leave unless UNC/UVA leave first...which is not out of the realm of possibility if the B1G comes calling for either UNC or UVA.

Of those 2, UVA seems more likely to jump

At this point it only takes 1 to get it started. But, to do the ACC in so that it wasn't a legal and financial morass it takes 12. Now you could have the SEC take 4, the Big 10 take 4 and the Big 12 take as many as the other 7 plus B.Y.U.

I say 4 10th because if there is ever movement in the ACC Duke, N.C. & UVa are all likely to want to stay connected whether they go to the SEC or Big 10. N.C. State, Virginia Tech, Clemson and Florida State are 4 of their top 6 brands in attendance, television draw, and revenue earned.

Miami, Wake Forest, Georgia Tech and Louisville give the Big 12 a Southern Pod. Iowa State, Pittsburgh with the addition of Boston College (add to W.V.U.) would give the Big 12 a Northern Pod. Then Kansas State, Kansas, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State for the Central and Texas, Texas Christian, Texas Tech and Baylor for the West. To 18 they might get N.D. and B.Y.U.

The Big 10 would have Duke, U.N.C., Virginia and Syracuse. The PAC would be SOL. But something like that is the only way I seeing the ACC issue getting resolved without a huge mess and then understand that the only reason the 8 that would move to the SEC and Big 10 would move is if they didn't get a network and fell behind monetarily to the degree that they would have to move. And if they don't get a network that is very possible by 2016.

(01-21-2014 08:19 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(01-20-2014 09:24 PM)XLance Wrote:  I can't speak to Virginia politics and Virginia Tech, but I can tell you one FACT about the UNC system. Tom Ross will never allow Carolina and State to seperate.
As for Florida State, if you can put up with all of the whining and complaining......be my guest.

Why not? As long as they are in viable conferences (UNC->B1G, NCSU->SEC) would it really matter?

The short version of a very long answer is politics.
I can tell you for a fact that Tom Ross would never allow Carolina and State to seperate.

(01-21-2014 12:23 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 08:19 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(01-20-2014 09:24 PM)XLance Wrote:  I can't speak to Virginia politics and Virginia Tech, but I can tell you one FACT about the UNC system. Tom Ross will never allow Carolina and State to seperate.
As for Florida State, if you can put up with all of the whining and complaining......be my guest.

Why not? As long as they are in viable conferences (UNC->B1G, NCSU->SEC) would it really matter?

The short version of a very long answer is politics.
I can tell you for a fact that Tom Ross would never allow Carolina and State to seperate.

That works to the SEC's advantage... if the SECN takes off like I think it will, we will have plenty of room for good inventory. I definitely think the SEC would take both NC schools at this point. Same for VT/UVA if they must stay together, and for Duke, Clemson, and FSU. Now that we are in Texas and Missouri, I think any of those 7 schools from the ACC would get a vote in on their own or in any combination with each other. Georgia Tech could possibly fall in this category, as well.

(01-21-2014 12:32 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 12:23 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 08:19 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(01-20-2014 09:24 PM)XLance Wrote:  I can't speak to Virginia politics and Virginia Tech, but I can tell you one FACT about the UNC system. Tom Ross will never allow Carolina and State to seperate.
As for Florida State, if you can put up with all of the whining and complaining......be my guest.

Why not? As long as they are in viable conferences (UNC->B1G, NCSU->SEC) would it really matter?

The short version of a very long answer is politics.
I can tell you for a fact that Tom Ross would never allow Carolina and State to seperate.

That works to the SEC's advantage... if the SECN takes off like I think it will, we will have plenty of room for good inventory. I definitely think the SEC would take both NC schools at this point. Same for VT/UVA if they must stay together, and for Duke, Clemson, and FSU. Now that we are in Texas and Missouri, I think any of those 7 schools from the ACC would get a vote in on their own or in any combination with each other. Georgia Tech could possibly fall in this category, as well.

Well, then we should just take 10 of the ACC schools and be done with it. Take the 8 you mentioned throw in Louisville and Miami and call it a day. If Notre Dame hates the Big 10 as much as they say then they could take the Canes place to 24. It would be the biggest target in history that the Irish have ever carried around on their back. But seriously the first 9 would be fine and the best remaining for the 10th (Miami, an Oklahoma school, WVU).

And then you have just about everyone from the formation of the original SoCon (minus Maryland and Washington & Lee). Crazy to think that about 95 years ago this was happening.

(01-21-2014 01:43 PM)Terps_N_Phoenix Wrote:  And then you have just about everyone from the formation of the original SoCon (minus Maryland and Washington & Lee). Crazy to think that about 95 years ago this was happening.

Exactly. It will be trench warfare with mustard gas in France next if we continue to head in this direction.

(01-21-2014 02:03 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 01:43 PM)Terps_N_Phoenix Wrote:  And then you have just about everyone from the formation of the original SoCon (minus Maryland and Washington & Lee). Crazy to think that about 95 years ago this was happening.

Exactly. It will be trench warfare with mustard gas in France next if we continue to head in this direction.

An opportunity to make right an idea that came before it's time, I suppose. Many of the barriers that caused the SoCon to split are remedied now with better transportation and TV access.

(01-21-2014 02:24 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 02:03 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 01:43 PM)Terps_N_Phoenix Wrote:  And then you have just about everyone from the formation of the original SoCon (minus Maryland and Washington & Lee). Crazy to think that about 95 years ago this was happening.

Exactly. It will be trench warfare with mustard gas in France next if we continue to head in this direction.

An opportunity to make right an idea that came before it's time, I suppose. Many of the barriers that caused the SoCon to split are remedied now with better transportation and TV access.

Not to mention Chapel Hills new found penchant for doing what is necessary. Admit it. That one transgression proves the reason for the division so long ago no longer exists.

(01-21-2014 02:37 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 02:24 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 02:03 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 01:43 PM)Terps_N_Phoenix Wrote:  And then you have just about everyone from the formation of the original SoCon (minus Maryland and Washington & Lee). Crazy to think that about 95 years ago this was happening.

Exactly. It will be trench warfare with mustard gas in France next if we continue to head in this direction.

An opportunity to make right an idea that came before it's time, I suppose. Many of the barriers that caused the SoCon to split are remedied now with better transportation and TV access.

Not to mention Chapel Hills new found penchant for doing what is necessary. Admit it. That one transgression proves the reason for the division so long ago no longer exists.

I'm not sure what's more comical, the fact that UNC failed so spectacularly at academic fraud or the school's instance that this incident does not negatively impact university prestige.