(01-18-2014 01:52 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  Does the stipend get paid through the academic year or only through the time they're playing (i.e. football or basketball season)?

Doesn't matter. It's a set fee of 4K (rumored). I suppose it could be paid all at once or doled out monthly. Most financial aid comes in a single block, so I would expect this would be the same.

(01-18-2014 11:57 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 06:51 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 04:02 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 03:34 PM)justin_sane15 Wrote:  I still don't know under what authority the P5 think they can say "No only we can play players and only we can play in this division." That is just not going to fly.

Either they can codify this new division with spelled out rules and guidelines for being a member of (which almost certainly the AAC and MWC would pony up to join) or they can break off and form their own NCAA and enjoy all the headaches and loss of tax-exempt status. They can talk all they want about how much more power or influence they have but they cannot just waive their hand and say "Welcome to D-1 Mega A, where you must be B1G, Pac12, SEC, Big 12 or ACC to ride!"

Truthfully I don't even see how half the P5 is going along with this. The Wake Forests, Dukes, and Vanderbilts of the CFB world are only mid tier now because the Sun Belt, MAC and so forth constitute the bottom. If the P5 get their wish and become autonomous well congratulations, you've just made yourselves the bottom feeders and good luck at ever being successful again. And just how long will it last before the upper P5 decides that those teams are holding them back and cut them to become NFL-Lite? It's penny wise and pound foolish.

I suppose they can if the NCAA votes to allow them to. I would still think legal action by the G-5 against the NCAA would be able to crack that nut fairly easily.

My feeling is that the final result will be something where the P5 can pass rules that the rest of D1 can utilize if they wish. My biggest concern remains giving the P5 the ability to expand scholarship limits. That's probably the biggest clearly defined difference between each football division. Giving the P5 the right to independently establish football scholarship limits effectively creates a situation where the P5 can create a defacto 4th division anytime they wish. How many schools could keep up if the P5 chose to go to 100 scholarships for football? Imagine the effect that going to 100 scholarships would have on the competitive balance between the G5 and P5. Imagine the competitive effect on FCS football. The G5 normal recruiting pool would have the top 975 players removed. FCS would be looking at its normal recruiting pool with close to the top 2000 players removed.

That legal nut has a much thicker hull than you think.

How long will it take some women's volleyball player to sue the P5 schools that pay football players, and say pay me under Title IX. and why wouldn't the NCAA pass legislation that any conference that has autonomy in one sport has autonomy in all sports and seek to exclude the P5 from the Basketball tourney? I can tell you this will polorize fan-bases and the P5 will lose their golden egg when G5 fans turn away from viewing their product in droves.

IMHO, they will not get sued over Title IX. It will be over a non-sport scholarship person who also wants a slice of the pie.

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(01-17-2014 07:57 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 07:50 PM)AGuyIn_Water Wrote:  Calm down. AAC won't be left behind. P5 can't stop other conferences from doing the same. This is free enterprise. AAC will remain top of college athletics, sure I hope!

The issue is this...yes he AAC and the MWC can do the same BUT neither have the overall guaranteed revenue streams to keep up....it heading towards a classes at the FBS Level...except the gap is going to get larger as time goes on.

There has always been a class system. The gap grew wider with the creation of the AQ BCS system 1n 1998 and it's growing ever wider now that there are five (instead of six) power conferences and the creation of the contract bowls.

(01-17-2014 05:15 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 03:34 PM)justin_sane15 Wrote:  I still don't know under what authority the P5 think they can say "No only we can play players and only we can play in this division." That is just not going to fly.

Either they can codify this new division with spelled out rules and guidelines for being a member of (which almost certainly the AAC and MWC would pony up to join) or they can break off and form their own NCAA and enjoy all the headaches and loss of tax-exempt status. They can talk all they want about how much more power or influence they have but they cannot just waive their hand and say "Welcome to D-1 Mega A, where you must be B1G, Pac12, SEC, Big 12 or ACC to ride!"

Truthfully I don't even see how half the P5 is going along with this. The Wake Forests, Dukes, and Vanderbilts of the CFB world are only mid tier now because the Sun Belt, MAC and so forth constitute the bottom. If the P5 get their wish and become autonomous well congratulations, you've just made yourselves the bottom feeders and good luck at ever being successful again. And just how long will it last before the upper P5 decides that those teams are holding them back and cut them to become NFL-Lite? It's penny wise and pound foolish.

My interpretation of the autonomy being sought here isn't so much the P5 saying, "Only we can pay players and you can't", but rather, "You can't stop us from paying players if we want to, but you can decide what you want for yourselves."

From my reading, if the AAC, MWC or other G5 leagues want to adopt the same cost of attendances measures as the P5, then they're free to do so. The "autonomy" is that the G5 and rest of Division I would not longer have any say on what the P5 choose to adopt for themselves. If the P5 want to implement a measure, then they can do it and the rest of Division I can't block it even if they have a majority. The P5 is removing what they perceive as roadblocks as opposed to *stopping* other conferences from implementing the same measures.

That doesn't mean the NCAA Tournament goes way or the P5 will stop playing football games against the G5. What it *does* mean is that the P5 can essentially make whatever rules that they want for themselves and the rest of Division I can't stop them. Other Division I conferences, though, can choose on their own to match what the P5 is doing if they're willing to do so.

Yes, legally speaking this is true. So in a court of law the P5 lawyer is going to offer this line to the jury. And it is a true statement. The problem with it is just because the G5 is "willing" to match, doesn't mean the are "able" to match. When you take a majority of P5 schools with 60K + stadiums, 6 or 7 home games, and 20mil payouts from tv contract and compare that to G5 schools with 20-30K stadiums, 1 or 2 million dollar tv payouts you can quickly see that the G5 conference may 'want' to match but are going to be unable to match. So it really doesn't come down to "if they want to" but more "if they are able". If anything, it's life in a society that uses capitalism for it's ideology. It's fair in a capitalistic society because that's what capitalism is all about: i will do my best with whatever resources I have at my disposal and you do your best and may the best man win. So really, it is what it is. The G5 schools shouldn't get mad about this and say it isn't fair (although it's not fair) because this is just capitalism working. Capitalism isn't fair. It favors those that have money, better educations, more brains, run quicker, faster, stronger etc. Capitalism says "anybody has a chance" and "anybody can be whatever they want". Which is what this P5 deal is saying. But when you peel back the covers you realize these statements aren't really true, not in reality. Jamal in inner city Detroit probably cannot be whatever he wants and is not starting at the same starting line as Wentworth who grew up in an upscale area of New York in a family of old money. So although it's easy to say "Hey, it's America, you can be anything you want if you work hard enough"...it sound good, but let's not fool ourselves, the dirty little secret is, that it's only true for SOME people, not everybody. This P5 issue is basically this in a nutshell. So the rich P5 schools will look at the G5 schools and say, "hey, you can do this too if you want too", completely ignoring the fact the G5 schools don't have the resources to do so.

Hey, can the Service Academies legally pay a stipend to their athletes greater than what they already get as cadets?

This is why the American needs to grab Army. Excluding the Service Academies from playing college football at the highest level, something they have done since the inception of football would be a PR nightmare for the P5 IMHO....

(01-17-2014 03:08 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I think we missed another line on page 12 that has implications for us. This one is in addition to the cost of attendance bullet:

"Enhanced benefits provided to student-athletes for the purpose of supporting their needs
based on available resources."

They already have that.......................its called the Federal Pell Grant; The maximum Federal Pell Grant award is $5,645 for the 2013–14 award year: The amount you get, though, will depend on

your financial need,
your cost of attendance,
your status as a full-time or part-time student, and
your plans to attend school for a full academic year or less.

Certain schools will be fine. UCF will do what they have to do to keep pace with the P5s, until they are one.