(01-17-2014 01:10 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 12:23 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 09:12 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 08:52 AM)boss man Wrote:  Lots of games left, folks.

0-2 at home in conference sucks but 3-0 on the road does not. Still 13 AAC games left including @ Cincy and UConn. Don't overlook the Texas schools.

People really blow up the 4 guards when MEMPHIS loses. Jackson had a really UNUSUAL 4-14 game last night. MEMPHIS missed about 5 point blank layups or "bunnies", as well as 5 FTs.
I guess Pastner coaches them to miss those easy ones, right?

Let's go through the whole season and examine the entire body of work. CUSA is almost orgasmic that MEMPHIS has lost 2 home conference games, and seems to imply that Pastner will not win 70% of his games in AAC. He is 12-4 thus far = 75%, let's see how things go through March 8. 70% of 31 games = 22 wins. I think it'll be more, but let's play it out.

We shouldn't be talking about what ifs considering that we got blown out by Cincy and UConn, but winning 2/3 out of Florida, Cincy and UConn would have us squarely looking at a 2 seed. We are now probably a 7 seed.

There is a big difference between missed opportunities and being in "okay" shape.

Not trying to be an arse, but what have you seen from this bunch over the past 3 years would indicate that we would be anywhere close to a 2 seed this year?

As I said before the season started, after Okie State round 1, after Louisville, etc., we are a Top 25-Top 30 type team. We are NOT a Top 5-Top 10 team. We just aren't.

If/when we come to that realization, this will be a much more enjoyable season. Nothing wrong with 20+ wins in the AAC and a shot (depending on the draw) at the Sweet 16.

You're over thinking. If we are 14-2, we are a #2 seed.

Yep. Likely top 5 or so in the polls right now. Basically if they had taken care of home games...

Gonna be a big "could've been."

Looking at realisically three to five more losses, which puts Memphis anywhere from a 4 seed to 8 seed.

(01-17-2014 01:10 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 12:23 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 09:12 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 08:52 AM)boss man Wrote:  Lots of games left, folks.

0-2 at home in conference sucks but 3-0 on the road does not. Still 13 AAC games left including @ Cincy and UConn. Don't overlook the Texas schools.

People really blow up the 4 guards when MEMPHIS loses. Jackson had a really UNUSUAL 4-14 game last night. MEMPHIS missed about 5 point blank layups or "bunnies", as well as 5 FTs.
I guess Pastner coaches them to miss those easy ones, right?

Let's go through the whole season and examine the entire body of work. CUSA is almost orgasmic that MEMPHIS has lost 2 home conference games, and seems to imply that Pastner will not win 70% of his games in AAC. He is 12-4 thus far = 75%, let's see how things go through March 8. 70% of 31 games = 22 wins. I think it'll be more, but let's play it out.

We shouldn't be talking about what ifs considering that we got blown out by Cincy and UConn, but winning 2/3 out of Florida, Cincy and UConn would have us squarely looking at a 2 seed. We are now probably a 7 seed.

There is a big difference between missed opportunities and being in "okay" shape.

Not trying to be an arse, but what have you seen from this bunch over the past 3 years would indicate that we would be anywhere close to a 2 seed this year?

As I said before the season started, after Okie State round 1, after Louisville, etc., we are a Top 25-Top 30 type team. We are NOT a Top 5-Top 10 team. We just aren't.

If/when we come to that realization, this will be a much more enjoyable season. Nothing wrong with 20+ wins in the AAC and a shot (depending on the draw) at the Sweet 16.

You're over thinking. If we are 14-2, we are a #2 seed.

Based on the past 3+ years, plus losing DJ, what would have made you think we'd be 14-2 against this year's schedule?

Look, I love the kids that put on the Memphis jersey. And, we've got some decent ones again this year. Just not #2 seed/Top 10 good.

(01-17-2014 01:16 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 01:10 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 12:23 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 09:12 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 08:52 AM)boss man Wrote:  Lots of games left, folks.

0-2 at home in conference sucks but 3-0 on the road does not. Still 13 AAC games left including @ Cincy and UConn. Don't overlook the Texas schools.

People really blow up the 4 guards when MEMPHIS loses. Jackson had a really UNUSUAL 4-14 game last night. MEMPHIS missed about 5 point blank layups or "bunnies", as well as 5 FTs.
I guess Pastner coaches them to miss those easy ones, right?

Let's go through the whole season and examine the entire body of work. CUSA is almost orgasmic that MEMPHIS has lost 2 home conference games, and seems to imply that Pastner will not win 70% of his games in AAC. He is 12-4 thus far = 75%, let's see how things go through March 8. 70% of 31 games = 22 wins. I think it'll be more, but let's play it out.

We shouldn't be talking about what ifs considering that we got blown out by Cincy and UConn, but winning 2/3 out of Florida, Cincy and UConn would have us squarely looking at a 2 seed. We are now probably a 7 seed.

There is a big difference between missed opportunities and being in "okay" shape.

Not trying to be an arse, but what have you seen from this bunch over the past 3 years would indicate that we would be anywhere close to a 2 seed this year?

As I said before the season started, after Okie State round 1, after Louisville, etc., we are a Top 25-Top 30 type team. We are NOT a Top 5-Top 10 team. We just aren't.

If/when we come to that realization, this will be a much more enjoyable season. Nothing wrong with 20+ wins in the AAC and a shot (depending on the draw) at the Sweet 16.

You're over thinking. If we are 14-2, we are a #2 seed.

Based on the past 3+ years, plus losing DJ, what would have made you think we'd be 14-2 against this year's schedule?

Look, I love the kids that put on the Memphis jersey. And, we've got some decent ones again this year. Just not #2 seed/Top 10 good.

If you just assume (rightly, I think) that Memphis takes care of its home games, the Tigers are 14-2.

In all reality, 16 games in, 10 were expected to be wins. The remaining 6 (@Ok State, vs. Ok. State, vs. UF, @UL, home vs. Cinci and UConn).

Most would have thought that Memphis goes, at worst, 3-3 in those games. Drop both road games, split the neutrals, hold down home court.

At that rate, Memphs would be 13-3. Steal both neutrals or a road game and hold home (can be expected from Memphis' best and deepest team in six years) and you are at 14-2.

Instead, Memphis has gone 2-4. Not good, but the bright side is there are still 4 more chances to pluck some big wins: @Cinci, @UConn, vs Louisville, vs. Gonzaga.

Not to mention the AAC tourney.

(01-17-2014 01:21 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 01:16 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 01:10 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 12:23 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 09:12 AM)Stammers Wrote:  We shouldn't be talking about what ifs considering that we got blown out by Cincy and UConn, but winning 2/3 out of Florida, Cincy and UConn would have us squarely looking at a 2 seed. We are now probably a 7 seed.

There is a big difference between missed opportunities and being in "okay" shape.

Not trying to be an arse, but what have you seen from this bunch over the past 3 years would indicate that we would be anywhere close to a 2 seed this year?

As I said before the season started, after Okie State round 1, after Louisville, etc., we are a Top 25-Top 30 type team. We are NOT a Top 5-Top 10 team. We just aren't.

If/when we come to that realization, this will be a much more enjoyable season. Nothing wrong with 20+ wins in the AAC and a shot (depending on the draw) at the Sweet 16.

You're over thinking. If we are 14-2, we are a #2 seed.

Based on the past 3+ years, plus losing DJ, what would have made you think we'd be 14-2 against this year's schedule?

Look, I love the kids that put on the Memphis jersey. And, we've got some decent ones again this year. Just not #2 seed/Top 10 good.

If you just assume (rightly, I think) that Memphis takes care of its home games, the Tigers are 14-2.

In all reality, 16 games in, 10 were expected to be wins. The remaining 6 (@Ok State, vs. Ok. State, vs. UF, @UL, home vs. Cinci and UConn).

Most would have thought that Memphis goes, at worst, 3-3 in those games. Drop both road games, split the neutrals, hold down home court.

At that rate, Memphs would be 13-3. Steal both neutrals or a road game and hold home (can be expected from Memphis' best and deepest team in six years) and you are at 14-2.

Instead, Memphis has gone 2-4. Not good, but the bright side is there are still 4 more chances to pluck some big wins: @Cinci, @UConn, vs Louisville, vs. Gonzaga.

Not to mention the AAC tourney.

OK. So you assumed (based on the past 3 years), that we'd go "at worst" 3-3 on a 6 game stretch that included 3 top 10 opponents, a top 20 opponent, and 2 others (underrated) on the cusp of the top 25?

(01-17-2014 01:26 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  OK. So you assumed (based on the past 3 years), that we'd go "at worst" 3-3 on a 6 game stretch that included 3 top 10 opponents, a top 20 opponent, and 2 others (underrated) on the cusp of the top 25?

Sure.

I assumed that the addition of an Honorable Mention preseason AA and Big 12 all defensive player added to a veteran lineup with another seasoned grad transfer and the luxury of being able to plug in some frosh from one of the highest rated recruiting classes (not to mention a slimmed down and refocused Shaq) would be able to hold home court against two unranked teams.

I also did not think they would/should win the road games.

That leaves the neutrals. If this team, even at "top 30" and not "top 15" could play with UF and OSU on a neutral court. Would it be unreasonable to think that Memphis could/should split those?

I don't think so.

More importantly, Memphis DID win a neutral AND a road. The problem was taking care of the easy business.

How soon we forget 0-13 and start dreaming of final fours.

(01-17-2014 01:52 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  How soon we forget 0-13 and start dreaming of final fours.

Not sure what you are getting at, but what would have your expectations been at this point in the season.

I would assume you think Memphis wins the 9 bobo games and beats LSU, yes?

So, right off the bat, you have Memphis with 10 wins.

For the remaining six, 2 road, 2 home 2 neutral--what would you expect?

What Stammers posted (the way I took it) wasn't that Memphis IS one of the best 10 teams in the country, just that all other games outcome the same, IF Memphis holds home court then they are sitting at 14-2, which would likely have them about 6th in the polls and probably a 2 seed in most mock brackets.

(01-17-2014 01:56 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 01:52 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  How soon we forget 0-13 and start dreaming of final fours.

Not sure what you are getting at, but what would have your expectations been at this point in the season.

I would assume you think Memphis wins the 9 bobo games and beats LSU, yes?

So, right off the bat, you have Memphis with 10 wins.

For the remaining six, 2 road, 2 home 2 neutral--what would you expect?

What Stammers posted (the way I took it) wasn't that Memphis IS one of the best 10 teams in the country, just that all other games outcome the same, IF Memphis holds home court then they are sitting at 14-2, which would likely have them about 6th in the polls and probably a 2 seed in most mock brackets.

Out of the 7 games, I include LSU because I think they are pretty good, would be 3-4.

And, considering that Cincy and UConn are better than what I thought a couple of months ago, 3-4 would have been about the best.

I am curious...were you one of the guys harping on 0-13?

(01-17-2014 02:01 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 01:56 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 01:52 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  How soon we forget 0-13 and start dreaming of final fours.

Not sure what you are getting at, but what would have your expectations been at this point in the season.

I would assume you think Memphis wins the 9 bobo games and beats LSU, yes?

So, right off the bat, you have Memphis with 10 wins.

For the remaining six, 2 road, 2 home 2 neutral--what would you expect?

What Stammers posted (the way I took it) wasn't that Memphis IS one of the best 10 teams in the country, just that all other games outcome the same, IF Memphis holds home court then they are sitting at 14-2, which would likely have them about 6th in the polls and probably a 2 seed in most mock brackets.

Out of the 7 games, I include LSU because I think they are pretty good, would be 3-4.

And, considering that Cincy and UConn are better than what I thought a couple of months ago, 3-4 would have been about the best.

I am curious...were you one of the guys harping on 0-13?

What difference does it make if he was ?

(01-17-2014 02:01 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 01:56 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 01:52 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  How soon we forget 0-13 and start dreaming of final fours.

Not sure what you are getting at, but what would have your expectations been at this point in the season.

I would assume you think Memphis wins the 9 bobo games and beats LSU, yes?

So, right off the bat, you have Memphis with 10 wins.

For the remaining six, 2 road, 2 home 2 neutral--what would you expect?

What Stammers posted (the way I took it) wasn't that Memphis IS one of the best 10 teams in the country, just that all other games outcome the same, IF Memphis holds home court then they are sitting at 14-2, which would likely have them about 6th in the polls and probably a 2 seed in most mock brackets.

Out of the 7 games, I include LSU because I think they are pretty good, would be 3-4.

And, considering that Cincy and UConn are better than what I thought a couple of months ago, 3-4 would have been about the best.

I am curious...were you one of the guys harping on 0-13?

I thought it was a bad number, but more concerned because of the perceived talent that was going 0-13.

Surprised that you think 3-4 the best. Heck, LSU is okay and Memphis should win home games vs. fringe Top 25 teams. That's three wins there.

Not a chance to steal a neutral or road game out of those four in a "best" case scenario?

What we do know is than Memphis CAN win road/neutral games. What they didn't do is the one thing they SHOULD have done--win games as home favorites.

I think we've likely exhausted the discussion on this one.

Take it easy.

(01-17-2014 02:01 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 01:56 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 01:52 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  How soon we forget 0-13 and start dreaming of final fours.

Not sure what you are getting at, but what would have your expectations been at this point in the season.

I would assume you think Memphis wins the 9 bobo games and beats LSU, yes?

So, right off the bat, you have Memphis with 10 wins.

For the remaining six, 2 road, 2 home 2 neutral--what would you expect?

What Stammers posted (the way I took it) wasn't that Memphis IS one of the best 10 teams in the country, just that all other games outcome the same, IF Memphis holds home court then they are sitting at 14-2, which would likely have them about 6th in the polls and probably a 2 seed in most mock brackets.

Out of the 7 games, I include LSU because I think they are pretty good, would be 3-4.

And, considering that Cincy and UConn are better than what I thought a couple of months ago, 3-4 would have been about the best.

I am curious...were you one of the guys harping on 0-13?

Anyone who brought up 0-13 had just cause to do so. Zero and 13 is no good no matter how you slice it. Also, anyone who defends 0-13 isn't thinking clearly.

Got it!

One week, crush Josh on 0-13. We suck. We can't beat anyone.

The next week, go the other direction with it.

Either way, win or lose, it's a great day to slam Josh!

Differing opinions are cool. Being a toolbag that just takes the daily angle to rip someone is weak.

Having an ounce of consistency in your takes is cool, too.

(01-17-2014 01:16 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Yep. Likely top 5 or so in the polls right now. Basically if they had taken care of home games...

Gonna be a big "could've been."

Looking at realisically three to five more losses, which puts Memphis anywhere from a 4 seed to 8 seed.

I would say we will be no worse than a 4 seed with our schedule and road/neutral record.

3 or 4 seed is the likely outcome imo.

(01-17-2014 02:23 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  Got it!

One week, crush Josh on 0-13. We suck. We can't beat anyone.

The next week, go the other direction with it.

Either way, win or lose, it's a great day to slam Josh!

Differing opinions are cool. Being a toolbag that just takes the daily angle to rip someone is weak.

Having an ounce of consistency in your takes is cool, too.

None of this applies to me.

(01-17-2014 02:31 PM)Jedi Master Sipho-Dyas Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 01:16 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Yep. Likely top 5 or so in the polls right now. Basically if they had taken care of home games...

Gonna be a big "could've been."

Looking at realisically three to five more losses, which puts Memphis anywhere from a 4 seed to 8 seed.

I would say we will be no worse than a 4 seed with our schedule and road/neutral record.

[b]3 or 4 seed [/b]is the likely outcome imo.

That would be quite an accomplishment.

I made the prediction before the season that we would beat at least 4 ranked opponents, and we are still on track to do that. We will need to beat Louisville and Gonzaga at home, or split those 2 games and win 1 game at home in the AAC tournament. Of course we aren't going to default at UConn and at Cincy, so we could win either of those as well.

Wins Vs. Ranked Teams: 2013 Elite 8 Participants
6 Syracuse
5 Louisville
5 Ohio State
4 Michigan
4 Florida
4 Duke
4 Marquette
1 Wichita State

These are results prior to the NCAA tournament. I'm pissed at our last 2 losses; but if we can right the ship, we can still be in good shape on Selection Sunday.

(01-17-2014 02:40 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 02:23 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  Got it!

One week, crush Josh on 0-13. We suck. We can't beat anyone.

The next week, go the other direction with it.

Either way, win or lose, it's a great day to slam Josh!

Differing opinions are cool. Being a toolbag that just takes the daily angle to rip someone is weak.

Having an ounce of consistency in your takes is cool, too.

None of this applies to me.

Did I quote you or reference your name?

But, thanks for clarifying. I know I feel better, now.

(01-17-2014 02:31 PM)Jedi Master Sipho-Dyas Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 01:16 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Yep. Likely top 5 or so in the polls right now. Basically if they had taken care of home games...

Gonna be a big "could've been."

Looking at realisically three to five more losses, which puts Memphis anywhere from a 4 seed to 8 seed.

I would say we will be no worse than a 4 seed with our schedule and road/neutral record.

3 or 4 seed is the likely outcome imo.

If we end up a 4 seed that will mean that we have won some big games. Do I think it is possible? yes. Will we? I don't know. I hope so.

(01-17-2014 02:14 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 02:01 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 01:56 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 01:52 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  How soon we forget 0-13 and start dreaming of final fours.

Not sure what you are getting at, but what would have your expectations been at this point in the season.

I would assume you think Memphis wins the 9 bobo games and beats LSU, yes?

So, right off the bat, you have Memphis with 10 wins.

For the remaining six, 2 road, 2 home 2 neutral--what would you expect?

What Stammers posted (the way I took it) wasn't that Memphis IS one of the best 10 teams in the country, just that all other games outcome the same, IF Memphis holds home court then they are sitting at 14-2, which would likely have them about 6th in the polls and probably a 2 seed in most mock brackets.

Out of the 7 games, I include LSU because I think they are pretty good, would be 3-4.

And, considering that Cincy and UConn are better than what I thought a couple of months ago, 3-4 would have been about the best.

I am curious...were you one of the guys harping on 0-13?

Anyone who brought up 0-13 had just cause to do so. Zero and 13 is no good no matter how you slice it. Also, anyone who defends 0-13 isn't thinking clearly.

Oklahoma State II should have made that irrelevent, and Louisville should make it something that shouldn't ever be brought up again. It has nothing to do with this year's team. If anything; this year has shown how little merit the 0-13 argument had.

(01-17-2014 02:42 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 02:40 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 02:23 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  Got it!

One week, crush Josh on 0-13. We suck. We can't beat anyone.

The next week, go the other direction with it.

Either way, win or lose, it's a great day to slam Josh!

Differing opinions are cool. Being a toolbag that just takes the daily angle to rip someone is weak.

Having an ounce of consistency in your takes is cool, too.

None of this applies to me.

Did I quote you or reference your name?

But, thanks for clarifying. I know I feel better, now.

You aren't happy over there in Tulsa. Your post came right after mine. How about I say I'm sorry? Would that make you feel better and stop? Here you go......I'm sorry.