(01-16-2014 09:59 AM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(01-16-2014 09:49 AM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  Most of these rules are touched on at every University, the differences will come down to execution.

However, I very rarely (I could name twice) saw coaches checking in on classrooms. I do remember one time a coach sticking his head into a 200 level economics course they had about 12 of us in there and one other time I saw a coach walking through the Showker lobby. First two rows definitely wasn't enforced. I believe coaches used mostly the mid year evaluation to judge class attendance and my view could be skewed cause I was easily above the 3.0 GPA. I also never ran due to missing a class and one of my freshman professors dropped final grade cause I missed 11 classes. It was GBUS 160, such a joke class a monkey could not only pass but also teach. I had a A- after the final and she still dropped me to a B-, 1 point for every day I missed (end rant). We had to obey laws but nothing was ever said about dress code. Football players only had to live on campus first 2 years and it was technically only for scholarship players and players pretty much always lived with other athletes.

Yes , why continually check on a players academics when he has a 3.0. All head coaches are not the same, don't knock Mickey for not making public statement like this like Charlie Strong.

The difference between Texas and JMU is apple and oranges. They have their own network.... Anything they do, good or bad, is gonna be national news.

(01-16-2014 09:21 AM)JMU_Newbill Wrote:  

(01-16-2014 08:43 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(01-16-2014 08:29 AM)JMU_Newbill Wrote:  All of this sounds great, but I doubt very seriously that it's enforced to the letter of the law.

Buying out any leases players have on apartments? That's gotta be pushing it with the NCAA.

They most likely aren't buying out anyone's lease, more likely, help find a student/person to take over the lease or convince the landlord to let the player out of his lease.

Did you not read #5 on the OP?

The University will buy out the leases for every player currently living off campus and put them in the athletic dorm.

Whether that's what they meant or not, that's what was posted.

I can see what was posted. Furthermore, I can believe this is what the coach has said. My comment is supporting, "pushing it with the NCAA." I do not believe the NCAA allows a school to purchase a lease from a scholarship player. That is no different than a player being told by the coach he cannot have a car, yet he had one prior to being told this. Then, the university pruchases it from him. I believe this would be frowned upon. But, I don't believe the NCAA would have an issue allowing him to post his car for sale in the University's newspaper even if the car is purchased from someone associated with the school. Just not the school itself. That would be very gray.

(01-16-2014 09:59 AM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(01-16-2014 09:49 AM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  Most of these rules are touched on at every University, the differences will come down to execution.

However, I very rarely (I could name twice) saw coaches checking in on classrooms. I do remember one time a coach sticking his head into a 200 level economics course they had about 12 of us in there and one other time I saw a coach walking through the Showker lobby. First two rows definitely wasn't enforced. I believe coaches used mostly the mid year evaluation to judge class attendance and my view could be skewed cause I was easily above the 3.0 GPA. I also never ran due to missing a class and one of my freshman professors dropped final grade cause I missed 11 classes. It was GBUS 160, such a joke class a monkey could not only pass but also teach. I had a A- after the final and she still dropped me to a B-, 1 point for every day I missed (end rant). We had to obey laws but nothing was ever said about dress code. Football players only had to live on campus first 2 years and it was technically only for scholarship players and players pretty much always lived with other athletes.

Yes , why continually check on a players academics when he has a 3.0. All head coaches are not the same, don't knock Mickey for not making public statement like this like Charlie Strong.

I agree, it was a waste of time for some players however plenty of other guys were in my business electives the first two years that needing checking up on. I think they did make rounds more often in Godwin area since so many athletes were kinesiology majors.

I definitely was not trying to knock Mickey as I think this "rules list" is mostly a joke in my book. Most of those rules are either law, in place in every athletic department or common sense (We are focused on winning! Thanks coach, I forgot that). "Every player most live on campus" seems like a negative to me for several reasons including bed size and comforts of home. Also #6 says the team can only hang out with the team. Doesn't that in fact make the team a clique? ANDDD he screwed up the "Ain't nobody got time for that" reference .

(01-16-2014 05:38 AM)AllForDukes Wrote:  

(01-15-2014 11:51 PM)jmutoml757 Wrote:  I know you all are always skeptical and leery about sources and people who "know a guy." FWIW, I was texting a friend who has a son on the team today, just asking what his son's thoughts were so far. He stated that he had not said much yet, but he did say that so far he has described Withers is "tough." He certainly can't be talking about practice, so I assume it's rules, discipline etc. I will try to get more out of him.

The team has been working out the past 3 days at 5:30 a.m. and the quote from one player "Withers kicked out a$$ at 5:30 for the past 3 mornings". Also noted that Withers is a very good motivator and that we are going to be good.

Apparently, EW does like "burning daylight".

I love the early workouts/practices and they should be hard. A good way to weed out folks that don't want to work or are troublemakers.

Discipline is key!!

(01-16-2014 08:46 AM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(01-16-2014 08:40 AM)Dogs of Dukes Wrote:  There is a new sheriff in town. Withers started 5:45 AM conditioning drills last Monday. Players have been banned from the locker room and weight room. No players can wear team gear until they "earn it". There is even a "no hat" rule.

It's a new world.

Lmao , so what workout gear were they wearing at 5:45 am?

yeah i am sure they don't have any sweats or athletic shoes. As soft as they were last year maybe they should be doing it in their boxers to toughen them up

(01-16-2014 10:43 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(01-16-2014 05:38 AM)AllForDukes Wrote:  

(01-15-2014 11:51 PM)jmutoml757 Wrote:  I know you all are always skeptical and leery about sources and people who "know a guy." FWIW, I was texting a friend who has a son on the team today, just asking what his son's thoughts were so far. He stated that he had not said much yet, but he did say that so far he has described Withers is "tough." He certainly can't be talking about practice, so I assume it's rules, discipline etc. I will try to get more out of him.

The team has been working out the past 3 days at 5:30 a.m. and the quote from one player "Withers kicked out a$$ at 5:30 for the past 3 mornings". Also noted that Withers is a very good motivator and that we are going to be good.

Apparently, EW does like "burning daylight".

I love the early workouts/practices and they should be hard. A good way to weed out folks that don't want to work or are troublemakers.

Discipline is key!!

Absolutely!!! To add, not only will it help weed out troublemakers, it helps to keep the kids from meeting trouble.

(01-16-2014 10:48 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(01-16-2014 10:43 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(01-16-2014 05:38 AM)AllForDukes Wrote:  

(01-15-2014 11:51 PM)jmutoml757 Wrote:  I know you all are always skeptical and leery about sources and people who "know a guy." FWIW, I was texting a friend who has a son on the team today, just asking what his son's thoughts were so far. He stated that he had not said much yet, but he did say that so far he has described Withers is "tough." He certainly can't be talking about practice, so I assume it's rules, discipline etc. I will try to get more out of him.

The team has been working out the past 3 days at 5:30 a.m. and the quote from one player "Withers kicked out a$$ at 5:30 for the past 3 mornings". Also noted that Withers is a very good motivator and that we are going to be good.

Apparently, EW does like "burning daylight".

I love the early workouts/practices and they should be hard. A good way to weed out folks that don't want to work or are troublemakers.

Discipline is key!!

Absolutely!!! To add, not only will it help weed out troublemakers, it helps to keep the kids from meeting trouble.

JMU as always done early morning workouts , they suck. Running 15 200 meter dashes at 5am sucks lol.

(01-16-2014 10:48 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(01-16-2014 08:46 AM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(01-16-2014 08:40 AM)Dogs of Dukes Wrote:  There is a new sheriff in town. Withers started 5:45 AM conditioning drills last Monday. Players have been banned from the locker room and weight room. No players can wear team gear until they "earn it". There is even a "no hat" rule.

It's a new world.

Lmao , so what workout gear were they wearing at 5:45 am?

yeah i am sure they don't have any sweats or athletic shoes. As soft as they were last year maybe they should be doing it in their boxers to toughen them up

I wouldn't call them soft, and Nike usually provides all the workout gear , so for some it's no point to buy any.

(01-16-2014 11:19 AM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(01-16-2014 10:48 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(01-16-2014 08:46 AM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(01-16-2014 08:40 AM)Dogs of Dukes Wrote:  There is a new sheriff in town. Withers started 5:45 AM conditioning drills last Monday. Players have been banned from the locker room and weight room. No players can wear team gear until they "earn it". There is even a "no hat" rule.

It's a new world.

Lmao , so what workout gear were they wearing at 5:45 am?

yeah i am sure they don't have any sweats or athletic shoes. As soft as they were last year maybe they should be doing it in their boxers to toughen them up

I wouldn't call them soft, and Nike usually provides all the workout gear , so for some it's no point to buy any.

Well if you really are indeed a former player, you would know they dont turn in their old sweats/workout clothes at the end of the season....so they should have stuff to wear. And don't be so smug as to say they don't have shorts/tshirts/sweats and sneakers......that is just plain idiotic to even suggest.

The point being I think too many of the players are too concerned with all the free swag they get instead of putting in the hard work. And it shows on the field. It has been very evident that other teams have been working harder than JMU. Sometimes you gotta strip away some of the 'nice' things for all the advantages to truly be appreciated. Make them go back to lifting in the old weight room under the concrete bleachers and using the old locker rooms during the offseason....make them earn them back and then they will appreciate everything they have......that past players busted their butt so they have the nicer things now.

(01-16-2014 11:50 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  Well if you really are indeed a former player, you would know they dont turn in their old sweats/workout clothes at the end of the season....so they should have stuff to wear. And don't be so smug as to say they don't have shorts/tshirts/sweats and sneakers......that is just plain idiotic to even suggest.

The point being I think too many of the players are too concerned with all the free swag they get instead of putting in the hard work. And it shows on the field. It has been very evident that other teams have been working harder than JMU. Sometimes you gotta strip away some of the 'nice' things for all the advantages to truly be appreciated. Make them go back to lifting in the old weight room under the concrete bleachers and using the old locker rooms during the offseason....make them earn them back and then they will appreciate everything they have......that past players busted their butt so they have the nicer things now.

I agree he is off in some things he post as we have gone back and forth a couple times but HotRod is definitely a former player. I will give him credit he down plays his involvement of JMU's success in early 2000s. I didn't follow JMU at the time but its easy to read names at the top of stats sheets.

However I cannot agree that it is "very evident" that JMU players are not working hard. I don't think having too nice of a weight room is what causes 6-5 seasons. I mean using your theory I would think Grambling State should have been 12-0, clearly those guys don't get free stuff and work out is less than ideal situations. On the flip side Oregon players get everything under the son but that didn't stop them from a top 10 finish.

With that said I like the approach you mention and Withers appears to be using; make them earn it every offseason. I just don't think the nice things are causing JMU's lack of success.

(01-16-2014 12:14 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  

(01-16-2014 11:50 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  Well if you really are indeed a former player, you would know they dont turn in their old sweats/workout clothes at the end of the season....so they should have stuff to wear. And don't be so smug as to say they don't have shorts/tshirts/sweats and sneakers......that is just plain idiotic to even suggest.

The point being I think too many of the players are too concerned with all the free swag they get instead of putting in the hard work. And it shows on the field. It has been very evident that other teams have been working harder than JMU. Sometimes you gotta strip away some of the 'nice' things for all the advantages to truly be appreciated. Make them go back to lifting in the old weight room under the concrete bleachers and using the old locker rooms during the offseason....make them earn them back and then they will appreciate everything they have......that past players busted their butt so they have the nicer things now.

I agree he is off in some things he post as we have gone back and forth a couple times but HotRod is definitely a former player. I will give him credit he down plays his involvement of JMU's success in early 2000s. I didn't follow JMU at the time but its easy to read names at the top of stats sheets.

However I cannot agree that it is "very evident" that JMU players are not working hard. I don't think having too nice of a weight room is what causes 6-5 seasons. I mean using your theory I would think Grambling State should have been 12-0, clearly those guys don't get free stuff and work out is less than ideal situations. On the flip side Oregon players get everything under the son but that didn't stop them from a top 10 finish.

With that said I like the approach you mention and Withers appears to be using; make them earn it every offseason. I just don't think the nice things are causing JMU's lack of success.

No having nice things is not the reason for mediocre results.....but without having to earn it (which we agree on) every year it becomes an entitled thing where you don't have to work for it.

I know they work hard but maybe it would mean more to them if not just given to them.

I like what a lot of schools do (FSU, OSU, etc....) where every player starts out with a blank helmet every season with just the school logo and you earn Tomohawks for example at FSU for each big play you make. I think something like that at JMU would be great....that way in a way if you are a big time players your helmet is covered at the end of the year. I know it is small but you cannot tell me those kids do not get jacked about filling up their helmets.

(01-16-2014 12:25 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  I like what a lot of schools do (FSU, OSU, etc....) where every player starts out with a blank helmet every season with just the school logo and you earn Tomohawks for example at FSU for each big play you make. I think something like that at JMU would be great....that way in a way if you are a big time players your helmet is covered at the end of the year. I know it is small but you cannot tell me those kids do not get jacked about filling up their helmets.

I like the theory, HATE the look. We had it in high school but all the stickers were team related for example, Offense gets 35+ points or Defense holds to less than 200 yards. Every person that recorded 5+ snaps on that side of the ball got a sticker. First string guys hated when the other team would get garbage time points/yards and unfortunately they used this opportunity to put down the backups vs helping them in practice.

(01-16-2014 12:38 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  

(01-16-2014 12:25 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  I like what a lot of schools do (FSU, OSU, etc....) where every player starts out with a blank helmet every season with just the school logo and you earn Tomohawks for example at FSU for each big play you make. I think something like that at JMU would be great....that way in a way if you are a big time players your helmet is covered at the end of the year. I know it is small but you cannot tell me those kids do not get jacked about filling up their helmets.

I like the theory, HATE the look. We had it in high school but all the stickers were team related for example, Offense gets 35+ points or Defense holds to less than 200 yards. Every person that recorded 5+ snaps on that side of the ball got a sticker. First string guys hated when the other team would get garbage time points/yards and unfortunately they used this opportunity to put down the backups vs helping them in practice.

I see your point, I don't think I would want it to be totally team related as much as for individual plays (+20 yard plays on offense, TDs, sacks, INTs, etc....)

(01-16-2014 12:14 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  

(01-16-2014 11:50 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  Well if you really are indeed a former player, you would know they dont turn in their old sweats/workout clothes at the end of the season....so they should have stuff to wear. And don't be so smug as to say they don't have shorts/tshirts/sweats and sneakers......that is just plain idiotic to even suggest.

The point being I think too many of the players are too concerned with all the free swag they get instead of putting in the hard work. And it shows on the field. It has been very evident that other teams have been working harder than JMU. Sometimes you gotta strip away some of the 'nice' things for all the advantages to truly be appreciated. Make them go back to lifting in the old weight room under the concrete bleachers and using the old locker rooms during the offseason....make them earn them back and then they will appreciate everything they have......that past players busted their butt so they have the nicer things now.

I agree he is off in some things he post as we have gone back and forth a couple times but HotRod is definitely a former player. I will give him credit he down plays his involvement of JMU's success in early 2000s. I didn't follow JMU at the time but its easy to read names at the top of stats sheets.

However I cannot agree that it is "very evident" that JMU players are not working hard. I don't think having too nice of a weight room is what causes 6-5 seasons. I mean using your theory I would think Grambling State should have been 12-0, clearly those guys don't get free stuff and work out is less than ideal situations. On the flip side Oregon players get everything under the son but that didn't stop them from a top 10 finish.

With that said I like the approach you mention and Withers appears to be using; make them earn it every offseason. I just don't think the nice things are causing JMU's lack of success.

We had a record breaking offense and a top five defense. I understand what you are stating but that is not what changes the game outcomes. I didnt have anything to workout in until I enrolled at JMU. Basketball shorts and tee shirts are not comfortable for winter workouts lol. They earned their JMU scholarship already by achieving succes in high school. Now it's time to earn a a spot on the field and National Championship. If so we shouldn't award scholarships until the end of the season after they prove themselves.

What should the 6 teams that lost to us be doing then ? I don't agree with you theory or opinion about how hard they worked last year. And I am prolly off a lot of facts are involved , but my opinion holds true.

(01-16-2014 12:25 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  I like what a lot of schools do (FSU, OSU, etc....) where every player starts out with a blank helmet every season with just the school logo and you earn Tomohawks for example at FSU for each big play you make. I think something like that at JMU would be great....that way in a way if you are a big time players your helmet is covered at the end of the year. I know it is small but you cannot tell me those kids do not get jacked about filling up their helmets.

We don't want to copy UGA's dog bones. the pot leaf looking "buckeye" wouldn't send the right message since we are in VA and not OH. What would we put on the helmets? We could have a lot of fun on a slow day speculating about the possibilities.

(01-16-2014 02:30 PM)jmutoml757 Wrote:  

(01-16-2014 12:25 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  I like what a lot of schools do (FSU, OSU, etc....) where every player starts out with a blank helmet every season with just the school logo and you earn Tomohawks for example at FSU for each big play you make. I think something like that at JMU would be great....that way in a way if you are a big time players your helmet is covered at the end of the year. I know it is small but you cannot tell me those kids do not get jacked about filling up their helmets.

We don't want to copy UGA's dog bones. the pot leaf looking "buckeye" wouldn't send the right message since we are in VA and not OH. What would we put on the helmets? We could have a lot of fun on a slow day speculating about the possibilities.

Tiny Duke Dog stickers would be good. Or atleast the head of Duke dog.

(01-16-2014 02:32 PM)jmu-fan-1981 Wrote:  

(01-16-2014 02:30 PM)jmutoml757 Wrote:  

(01-16-2014 12:25 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  I like what a lot of schools do (FSU, OSU, etc....) where every player starts out with a blank helmet every season with just the school logo and you earn Tomohawks for example at FSU for each big play you make. I think something like that at JMU would be great....that way in a way if you are a big time players your helmet is covered at the end of the year. I know it is small but you cannot tell me those kids do not get jacked about filling up their helmets.

We don't want to copy UGA's dog bones. the pot leaf looking "buckeye" wouldn't send the right message since we are in VA and not OH. What would we put on the helmets? We could have a lot of fun on a slow day speculating about the possibilities.

Tiny Duke Dog stickers would be good. Or atleast the head of Duke dog.

That is exactly what I was thinking.....some folks want a Duke Dog on the helmet this way could keep the classic JMU on the helment and have small Duke Dogs Heads too.

(01-16-2014 02:34 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(01-16-2014 02:32 PM)jmu-fan-1981 Wrote:  

(01-16-2014 02:30 PM)jmutoml757 Wrote:  

(01-16-2014 12:25 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  I like what a lot of schools do (FSU, OSU, etc....) where every player starts out with a blank helmet every season with just the school logo and you earn Tomohawks for example at FSU for each big play you make. I think something like that at JMU would be great....that way in a way if you are a big time players your helmet is covered at the end of the year. I know it is small but you cannot tell me those kids do not get jacked about filling up their helmets.

We don't want to copy UGA's dog bones. the pot leaf looking "buckeye" wouldn't send the right message since we are in VA and not OH. What would we put on the helmets? We could have a lot of fun on a slow day speculating about the possibilities.

Tiny Duke Dog stickers would be good. Or atleast the head of Duke dog.

That is exactly what I was thinking.....some folks want a Duke Dog on the helmet this way could keep the classic JMU on the helment and have small Duke Dogs Heads too.

if the DD's head is too intricate it could be something like a paw print. Someone does something like that- with a cat or dog paw print. Can't think of who it is right now.

(01-16-2014 02:36 PM)jmutoml757 Wrote:  if the DD's head is too intricate it could be something like a paw print. Someone does something like that- with a cat or dog paw print. Can't think of who it is right now.

Clemson uses a paw print, or at least they have in the past. Not sure if they still do.