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RE: 2014 damage is done
There has been such a scatter-gun list of potential coaches that someone will always be able to say one day "I told you so" no matter who UAB hires and no matter what the 2014 record turns out to be. I am as disappointed as any with the way things are turning out to date, but we are along for the ride no matter how bumpy it turns out to be.

Like all of you, I have a list of coaches I would favor. Hal Mumme is one we should consider because of his pioneer work with fast paced spread offenses. Like out first D1 coach, he has made a couple of poor choices (UKY & NM State) of posts, but he has ALWAYS been hired again by some school who hopes for better. Unemployment has never been his problem for very long. He just needs to hire a good DC and back his work.
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RE: 2014 damage is done
I'm no doom-and-gloomer, everyone knows that, but in the very best scenario where we come out gold with which players leave, who we hire, and who we sign (I won't count transfers in as they would sit out 2014) it's hard to imagine jumping from 2 wins to more than 5. And, while that best-case hire may get people out to the season opener, we'll face the same issues we always have trying to draw fans late in the season.

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RE: 2014 damage is done
(01-12-2014 05:16 PM)blazr Wrote:  
(01-12-2014 04:44 PM)biglizard Wrote:  
(01-12-2014 04:06 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  Everything revolves around the decision Mackin makes. If he screws this up again, it will be a rebuilding year. If he gets it right, I could see a solid improvement in wins and hope for the future.

I would argue he didn't "screw up" the first time. He made a hire that was pretty universally lauded at the time. As it turned out McGee didn't have the stomach to see the deal through to a successful conclusion. I think it's more of a ding on McGee than Mackin.

This. From the resume when he was hired to the way he left, I don't see where McGee can be hung on Mackin's neck at all. But people still manage to demonize Banowsky without one clear suggestion of what he could have done to change a thing, so it's the nature of the beast.

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I thought Thursday morning that we had the pieces in place to be better next year. I still think that today.
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(01-12-2014 06:31 PM)Smaug Wrote:  I thought Thursday morning that we had the pieces in place to be better next year. I still think that today.

I agree with you. There are simply too many blank spaces at this time in our staff, who we will sign on Feb. 5th and who will excel in spring practice to jump to any conclusions about what the 2014 season will look like. In Algebra we learned that you can't solve any one equation having more than one unknown, and in this case we have many, including the final answer.

Don't take it for granted that UAB is the only program trying to tie up loose ends for next fall.
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(01-12-2014 06:31 PM)Smaug Wrote:  I thought Thursday morning that we had the pieces in place to be better next year. I still think that today.

+1. We looked pretty good in stretches this past year in spite of ourselves. Is a better coach worth enough to get the Troy, Middle Tennessee State, and Rice games back? That's five wins already. And honestly, after the past few years, 5-7 sounds fine.
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(01-12-2014 05:24 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  D
(01-12-2014 04:44 PM)biglizard Wrote:  
(01-12-2014 04:06 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  Everything revolves around the decision Mackin makes. If he screws this up again, it will be a rebuilding year. If he gets it right, I could see a solid improvement in wins and hope for the future.

I would argue he didn't "screw up" the first time. He made a hire that was pretty universally lauded at the time. As it turned out McGee didn't have the stomach to see the deal through to a successful conclusion. I think it's more of a ding on McGee than Mackin.

Depends on the universe you live in. He did not have the qualifications in mine.

Not to be a contrarian but I live in the universe of limited resources, political headwinds and lack of historical success. Unfortunately it's the same universe UAB finds itself in. The key is finding someone with the football savvy, political skill and creative nature to take on the job. On paper (and according to other coaches in the business) McGee was a fit. Turns out everyone was wrong. It happens. Unfortunately our margin for these type errors is miniscule. I think getting some former players involved is a great start for the selection process. They not only know what questions to ask they have contacts outside the UAB circle to get a more ground level feel for anyone that is considered.
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RE: 2014 damage is done
(01-12-2014 06:15 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  There has been such a scatter-gun list of potential coaches that someone will always be able to say one day "I told you so" no matter who UAB hires and no matter what the 2014 record turns out to be. I am as disappointed as any with the way things are turning out to date, but we are along for the ride no matter how bumpy it turns out to be.

Like all of you, I have a list of coaches I would favor. Hal Mumme is one we should consider because of his pioneer work with fast paced spread offenses. Like out first D1 coach, he has made a couple of poor choices (UKY & NM State) of posts, but he has ALWAYS been hired again by some school who hopes for better. Unemployment has never been his problem for very long. He just needs to hire a good DC and back his work.

his religious views would be a perfect fit in bama. come play at UAB non christians need not apply
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RE: 2014 damage is done
(01-12-2014 07:16 PM)biglizard Wrote:  
(01-12-2014 05:24 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  D
(01-12-2014 04:44 PM)biglizard Wrote:  
(01-12-2014 04:06 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  Everything revolves around the decision Mackin makes. If he screws this up again, it will be a rebuilding year. If he gets it right, I could see a solid improvement in wins and hope for the future.

I would argue he didn't "screw up" the first time. He made a hire that was pretty universally lauded at the time. As it turned out McGee didn't have the stomach to see the deal through to a successful conclusion. I think it's more of a ding on McGee than Mackin.

Depends on the universe you live in. He did not have the qualifications in mine.

Not to be a contrarian but I live in the universe of limited resources, political headwinds and lack of historical success. Unfortunately it's the same universe UAB finds itself in. The key is finding someone with the football savvy, political skill and creative nature to take on the job. On paper (and according to other coaches in the business) McGee was a fit. Turns out everyone was wrong. It happens. Unfortunately our margin for these type errors is miniscule. I think getting some former players involved is a great start for the selection process. They not only know what questions to ask they have contacts outside the UAB circle to get a more ground level feel for anyone that is considered.

It is not being a "contrarian" to accept that UAB lives in a "universe of limited resources (declining state per pupil funding), political headwinds (especially those blowing from the west) and lack of historical success (outside of its Medical prowess)". Those who believe that finding the "right coach" (tantamount to finding the Holy Grail) who will lead UAB to the "Promised Land" of football success just from his coaching acumen is all the school needs were wrong -- AGAIN.

The list of what facilities UAB needs to build in order to just match what our competitors already have in place (but we have only in planning) has not shrunk significantly since 2006. McGee might well have gone to Louisville when beckoned by Petrino no matter what UAB did (or didn't do), but none of us can point to a single "planned" facility and say with certainty when it will be built, finished and brought "on line". We started our football program on a "shoestring" and have run it on one ever since. We will pay the new coach what we have to because that is what FBHCs make today, not because its what we really want to pay. This week is very critical to our future success as a program.
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RE: 2014 damage is done
(01-12-2014 07:29 PM)bladhmadh Wrote:  
(01-12-2014 06:15 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  There has been such a scatter-gun list of potential coaches that someone will always be able to say one day "I told you so" no matter who UAB hires and no matter what the 2014 record turns out to be. I am as disappointed as any with the way things are turning out to date, but we are along for the ride no matter how bumpy it turns out to be.

Like all of you, I have a list of coaches I would favor. Hal Mumme is one we should consider because of his pioneer work with fast paced spread offenses. Like out first D1 coach, he has made a couple of poor choices (UKY & NM State) of posts, but he has ALWAYS been hired again by some school who hopes for better. Unemployment has never been his problem for very long. He just needs to hire a good DC and back his work.

his religious views would be a perfect fit in bama. come play at UAB non christians need not apply

Well UAB could certainly use some prayer warriors.
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(01-12-2014 07:56 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  
(01-12-2014 07:29 PM)bladhmadh Wrote:  
(01-12-2014 06:15 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  There has been such a scatter-gun list of potential coaches that someone will always be able to say one day "I told you so" no matter who UAB hires and no matter what the 2014 record turns out to be. I am as disappointed as any with the way things are turning out to date, but we are along for the ride no matter how bumpy it turns out to be.

Like all of you, I have a list of coaches I would favor. Hal Mumme is one we should consider because of his pioneer work with fast paced spread offenses. Like out first D1 coach, he has made a couple of poor choices (UKY & NM State) of posts, but he has ALWAYS been hired again by some school who hopes for better. Unemployment has never been his problem for very long. He just needs to hire a good DC and back his work.

his religious views would be a perfect fit in bama. come play at UAB non christians need not apply

Well UAB could certainly use some prayer warriors.

And for the past two season, we had games where we "didn't have a prayer" in much of the games. I am not familiar with Hal personally, but he has a track record as a coach that keeps schools ringing his phone every year.
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(01-12-2014 09:10 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  
(01-12-2014 07:56 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  
(01-12-2014 07:29 PM)bladhmadh Wrote:  
(01-12-2014 06:15 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  There has been such a scatter-gun list of potential coaches that someone will always be able to say one day "I told you so" no matter who UAB hires and no matter what the 2014 record turns out to be. I am as disappointed as any with the way things are turning out to date, but we are along for the ride no matter how bumpy it turns out to be.

Like all of you, I have a list of coaches I would favor. Hal Mumme is one we should consider because of his pioneer work with fast paced spread offenses. Like out first D1 coach, he has made a couple of poor choices (UKY & NM State) of posts, but he has ALWAYS been hired again by some school who hopes for better. Unemployment has never been his problem for very long. He just needs to hire a good DC and back his work.

his religious views would be a perfect fit in bama. come play at UAB non christians need not apply

Well UAB could certainly use some prayer warriors.

And for the past two season, we had games where we "didn't have a prayer" in much of the games. I am not familiar with Hal personally, but he has a track record as a coach that keeps schools ringing his phone every year.

Several good coaches have come from the Mumme Aplpleseed tree too.
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(01-12-2014 09:10 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  
(01-12-2014 07:56 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  
(01-12-2014 07:29 PM)bladhmadh Wrote:  
(01-12-2014 06:15 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  There has been such a scatter-gun list of potential coaches that someone will always be able to say one day "I told you so" no matter who UAB hires and no matter what the 2014 record turns out to be. I am as disappointed as any with the way things are turning out to date, but we are along for the ride no matter how bumpy it turns out to be.

Like all of you, I have a list of coaches I would favor. Hal Mumme is one we should consider because of his pioneer work with fast paced spread offenses. Like out first D1 coach, he has made a couple of poor choices (UKY & NM State) of posts, but he has ALWAYS been hired again by some school who hopes for better. Unemployment has never been his problem for very long. He just needs to hire a good DC and back his work.

his religious views would be a perfect fit in bama. come play at UAB non christians need not apply

Well UAB could certainly use some prayer warriors.

And for the past two season, we had games where we "didn't have a prayer" in much of the games. I am not familiar with Hal personally, but he has a track record as a coach that keeps schools ringing his phone every year.

We've already gone the "Losing coach who keeps getting jobs" route.
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