This regular season is on track to be on par with the 05-06, 06-07, and 08-09 seasons at the very least. I'm not saying it will result in an Elite Eight appearance but we already have two better wins than the 06-07 team had.

I understand what you're getting at and you are probably right. This season is the best so far since the great 3-year run and who knows how good it can really be because I believe this team has yet to put it all together. There's been flashes in some games but everyone hasn't clicked yet at the same time, when they do though, watch out!!

Josh appears to be doing some coaching now. Substitutions have been better, lineups have been better, discipline has been better. Looks like everyone is on the sand page right now.

(01-12-2014 07:22 AM)homefry20 Wrote:  Josh appears to be doing some coaching now.

Wow! I thought he had been doing some coaching all along. Thanks for the enlightenment.

(01-12-2014 07:22 AM)homefry20 Wrote:  Josh appears to be doing some coaching now. Substitutions have been better, lineups have been better, discipline has been better. Looks like everyone is on the sand page right now.

Frank?

(01-12-2014 08:28 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(01-12-2014 07:22 AM)homefry20 Wrote:  Josh appears to be doing some coaching now.

Wow! I thought he had been doing some coaching all along. Thanks for the enlightenment.

It didn't appear that way a week ago

(01-12-2014 10:59 AM)homefry20 Wrote:  

(01-12-2014 08:28 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(01-12-2014 07:22 AM)homefry20 Wrote:  Josh appears to be doing some coaching now.

Wow! I thought he had been doing some coaching all along. Thanks for the enlightenment.

It didn't appear that way a week ago

Go back to 06-07....blowing a 17 point lead to lose to Ga Tech and shortly afterwards being curb stomped in Knoxville. Last Saturday sucked. It doesn't define Pastner's career.

(01-12-2014 08:28 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(01-12-2014 07:22 AM)homefry20 Wrote:  Josh appears to be doing some coaching now.

Wow! I thought he had been doing some coaching all along. Thanks for the enlightenment.

He only does coaching in some games. In some games he doesn't. After those games we should fire him.

(01-12-2014 11:33 AM)transitt Wrote:  

(01-12-2014 10:59 AM)homefry20 Wrote:  

(01-12-2014 08:28 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(01-12-2014 07:22 AM)homefry20 Wrote:  Josh appears to be doing some coaching now.

Wow! I thought he had been doing some coaching all along. Thanks for the enlightenment.

It didn't appear that way a week ago

Go back to 06-07....blowing a 17 point lead to lose to Ga Tech and shortly afterwards being curb stomped in Knoxville. Last Saturday sucked. It doesn't define Pastner's career.

Against Cincy, he coached 2-17 on mostly wide open 3's and 9-35 from the field in the 2nd half. Against Louisville, he coached the team to shoot over 50% from the field and to make 8-9 of their last free throw attempts. The only mistake he made at the end of the Louisville game was not coaching Joe Jackson to make the free throw that he missed.

You need to get with the program. Pastner learns and unlearns coaching every game.

We may not be as flat out as good as we were in 2007-08, but I do think that this team is better offensively than any other team from 2005 to 09.

(01-12-2014 12:46 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-12-2014 11:33 AM)transitt Wrote:  

(01-12-2014 10:59 AM)homefry20 Wrote:  

(01-12-2014 08:28 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(01-12-2014 07:22 AM)homefry20 Wrote:  Josh appears to be doing some coaching now.

Wow! I thought he had been doing some coaching all along. Thanks for the enlightenment.

It didn't appear that way a week ago

Go back to 06-07....blowing a 17 point lead to lose to Ga Tech and shortly afterwards being curb stomped in Knoxville. Last Saturday sucked. It doesn't define Pastner's career.

Against Cincy, he coached 2-17 on mostly wide open 3's and 9-35 from the field in the 2nd half. Against Louisville, he coached the team to shoot over 50% from the field and to make 8-9 of their last free throw attempts. The only mistake he made at the end of the Louisville game was not coaching Joe Jackson to make the free throw that he missed.

You need to get with the program. Pastner learns and unlearns coaching every game.

Give Pastner credit, he was again shown total reliance on the perimeter game is fools gold and he learned from it. Against UC, our frontline combined for only 9 shots, going 3-9. Against UL, they managed 19 shots, going 12-19. Against UC our guards, shot the ball 49 times making but 14; while against UL they shot only 36 times, making a far more efficient 16.

Against Temple, the bigs were 14-21 and the guards were 14-38. The bottom line is we cannot win solely on the back of the self anointed "4 Kings". We win when we play inside out and its Josh's job to ensure the team continues to do so. Anybody can stand around the perimeter and jack shots and most opposing coaches will let a poor shooting team do it.

(01-12-2014 01:20 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(01-12-2014 12:46 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-12-2014 11:33 AM)transitt Wrote:  

(01-12-2014 10:59 AM)homefry20 Wrote:  

(01-12-2014 08:28 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  Wow! I thought he had been doing some coaching all along. Thanks for the enlightenment.

It didn't appear that way a week ago

Go back to 06-07....blowing a 17 point lead to lose to Ga Tech and shortly afterwards being curb stomped in Knoxville. Last Saturday sucked. It doesn't define Pastner's career.

Against Cincy, he coached 2-17 on mostly wide open 3's and 9-35 from the field in the 2nd half. Against Louisville, he coached the team to shoot over 50% from the field and to make 8-9 of their last free throw attempts. The only mistake he made at the end of the Louisville game was not coaching Joe Jackson to make the free throw that he missed.

You need to get with the program. Pastner learns and unlearns coaching every game.

Give Pastner credit, he was again shown total reliance on the perimeter game is fools gold and he learned from it. Against UC, our frontline combined for only 9 shots, going 3-9. Against UL, they managed 19 shots, going 12-19. Against UC our guards, shot the ball 49 times making but 14; while against UL they shot only 36 times, making a far more efficient 16.

Against Temple, the bigs were 14-21 and the guards were 14-38. The bottom line is we cannot win solely on the back of the self anointed "4 Kings". We win when we play inside out and its Josh's job to ensure the team continues to do so. Anybody can stand around the perimeter and jack shots and most coaches will let a poor shooting team do it.

Everyone was bad against Cincy including the coaching; but I think that we only played an average game against Louisville and a very below average game against Temple.

We made a lot of really tough shots against Louisville. I thought that we had much easier shots against Cincy. If we shoot almost 40% from 3 against Cincy we win, and if we shoot 12% from 3 against Louisville, we get blown out by 15.

(01-12-2014 01:26 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-12-2014 01:20 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(01-12-2014 12:46 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-12-2014 11:33 AM)transitt Wrote:  

(01-12-2014 10:59 AM)homefry20 Wrote:  It didn't appear that way a week ago

Go back to 06-07....blowing a 17 point lead to lose to Ga Tech and shortly afterwards being curb stomped in Knoxville. Last Saturday sucked. It doesn't define Pastner's career.

Against Cincy, he coached 2-17 on mostly wide open 3's and 9-35 from the field in the 2nd half. Against Louisville, he coached the team to shoot over 50% from the field and to make 8-9 of their last free throw attempts. The only mistake he made at the end of the Louisville game was not coaching Joe Jackson to make the free throw that he missed.

You need to get with the program. Pastner learns and unlearns coaching every game.

Give Pastner credit, he was again shown total reliance on the perimeter game is fools gold and he learned from it. Against UC, our frontline combined for only 9 shots, going 3-9. Against UL, they managed 19 shots, going 12-19. Against UC our guards, shot the ball 49 times making but 14; while against UL they shot only 36 times, making a far more efficient 16.

Against Temple, the bigs were 14-21 and the guards were 14-38. The bottom line is we cannot win solely on the back of the self anointed "4 Kings". We win when we play inside out and its Josh's job to ensure the team continues to do so. Anybody can stand around the perimeter and jack shots and most coaches will let a poor shooting team do it.

Everyone was bad against Cincy including the coaching; but I think that we only played an average game against Louisville and a very below average game against Temple.

We made a lot of really tough shots against Louisville. I thought that we had much easier shots against Cincy. If we shoot almost 40% from 3 against Cincy we win, and if we shoot 12% from 3 against Louisville, we get blown out by 15.

Our guards have not been effective shooting the ball in any of our last three games. Shooting 14-49, 16-36, 14-38 over three consecutive games is flat out awful, but the reason we've won is because of increased production on the block. We have talented big men who can score, but our senior guards have been reluctant to lean on them in 2 of our 3 losses.

Typically, too, guys shoot better off the pass than off the dribble and though we had a lot of open looks against UC many came either off the dribble. When a guy can catch the ball and step into the jumper, the results are usually better.

It all came down to making shots. Tigers made FT's down the stretch against Louisville. Dixon's and CC's 3 threes in a row turn the game in our favor Saturday. We couldn't make shots against Cincy= "L". If Tigers shoot well they can beat anyone in the country.

Our guards didn't shoot good against Temple or UL, but they didn't take as many shots either, which allowed our bigs to contribute on more possessions. Any team can win when they shoot good. The trick is winning when you don't.

In all fairness to our guards, they are accustomed to having to win games on their own. They now have 2-3 options down low who can get us higher percentage shots.

(01-12-2014 01:20 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(01-12-2014 12:46 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-12-2014 11:33 AM)transitt Wrote:  

(01-12-2014 10:59 AM)homefry20 Wrote:  

(01-12-2014 08:28 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  Wow! I thought he had been doing some coaching all along. Thanks for the enlightenment.

It didn't appear that way a week ago

Go back to 06-07....blowing a 17 point lead to lose to Ga Tech and shortly afterwards being curb stomped in Knoxville. Last Saturday sucked. It doesn't define Pastner's career.

Against Cincy, he coached 2-17 on mostly wide open 3's and 9-35 from the field in the 2nd half. Against Louisville, he coached the team to shoot over 50% from the field and to make 8-9 of their last free throw attempts. The only mistake he made at the end of the Louisville game was not coaching Joe Jackson to make the free throw that he missed.

You need to get with the program. Pastner learns and unlearns coaching every game.

Give Pastner credit, he was again shown total reliance on the perimeter game is fools gold and he learned from it. Against UC, our frontline combined for only 9 shots, going 3-9. Against UL, they managed 19 shots, going 12-19. Against UC our guards, shot the ball 49 times making but 14; while against UL they shot only 36 times, making a far more efficient 16.

Against Temple, the bigs were 14-21 and the guards were 14-38. The bottom line is we cannot win solely on the back of the self anointed "4 Kings". We win when we play inside out and its Josh's job to ensure the team continues to do so. Anybody can stand around the perimeter and jack shots and most opposing coaches will let a poor shooting team do it.

When the opposing coach lets your guards shoot wide open 3's...YA GOTTA MAKE 'EM. Else it because almost impossible to make an entry pass, much less drive to the basket.

(01-12-2014 02:33 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(01-12-2014 01:20 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(01-12-2014 12:46 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-12-2014 11:33 AM)transitt Wrote:  

(01-12-2014 10:59 AM)homefry20 Wrote:  It didn't appear that way a week ago

Go back to 06-07....blowing a 17 point lead to lose to Ga Tech and shortly afterwards being curb stomped in Knoxville. Last Saturday sucked. It doesn't define Pastner's career.

Against Cincy, he coached 2-17 on mostly wide open 3's and 9-35 from the field in the 2nd half. Against Louisville, he coached the team to shoot over 50% from the field and to make 8-9 of their last free throw attempts. The only mistake he made at the end of the Louisville game was not coaching Joe Jackson to make the free throw that he missed.

You need to get with the program. Pastner learns and unlearns coaching every game.

Give Pastner credit, he was again shown total reliance on the perimeter game is fools gold and he learned from it. Against UC, our frontline combined for only 9 shots, going 3-9. Against UL, they managed 19 shots, going 12-19. Against UC our guards, shot the ball 49 times making but 14; while against UL they shot only 36 times, making a far more efficient 16.

Against Temple, the bigs were 14-21 and the guards were 14-38. The bottom line is we cannot win solely on the back of the self anointed "4 Kings". We win when we play inside out and its Josh's job to ensure the team continues to do so. Anybody can stand around the perimeter and jack shots and most opposing coaches will let a poor shooting team do it.

When the opposing coach lets your guards shoot wide open 3's...YA GOTTA MAKE 'EM. Else it because almost impossible to make an entry pass, much less drive to the basket.

You don't think Pitino didn't try the same thing?
Josh did a much better job of preparing his team in the past two games and it's ok to say he didn't do a very good job against UC. Everybody will pack it in against us, but we still have to get the big guys involved, if we want to consistently win close games.

(01-12-2014 02:53 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(01-12-2014 02:33 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(01-12-2014 01:20 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(01-12-2014 12:46 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-12-2014 11:33 AM)transitt Wrote:  Go back to 06-07....blowing a 17 point lead to lose to Ga Tech and shortly afterwards being curb stomped in Knoxville. Last Saturday sucked. It doesn't define Pastner's career.

Against Cincy, he coached 2-17 on mostly wide open 3's and 9-35 from the field in the 2nd half. Against Louisville, he coached the team to shoot over 50% from the field and to make 8-9 of their last free throw attempts. The only mistake he made at the end of the Louisville game was not coaching Joe Jackson to make the free throw that he missed.

You need to get with the program. Pastner learns and unlearns coaching every game.

Give Pastner credit, he was again shown total reliance on the perimeter game is fools gold and he learned from it. Against UC, our frontline combined for only 9 shots, going 3-9. Against UL, they managed 19 shots, going 12-19. Against UC our guards, shot the ball 49 times making but 14; while against UL they shot only 36 times, making a far more efficient 16.

Against Temple, the bigs were 14-21 and the guards were 14-38. The bottom line is we cannot win solely on the back of the self anointed "4 Kings". We win when we play inside out and its Josh's job to ensure the team continues to do so. Anybody can stand around the perimeter and jack shots and most opposing coaches will let a poor shooting team do it.

When the opposing coach lets your guards shoot wide open 3's...YA GOTTA MAKE 'EM. Else it because almost impossible to make an entry pass, much less drive to the basket.

You don't think Pitino didn't try the same thing?
Josh did a much better job of preparing his team in the past two games and it's ok to say he didn't do a very good job against UC. Everybody will pack it in against us, but we still have to get the big guys involved, if we want to consistently win close games.

No, Pitino did not try the same thing. Cincy and Louisville do not have the same approach or game plan. The lack of interior shots in the Cincy game had everything to do with their game plan, and no adjustment would have changed that. When teams pack it in, you have to hit a few shots.

You said the 4 Kings were self-anointed, when did they anoint themselves? I thought that came from the media and message boards. I'm seriously asking, not trying to be an assburger.

(01-12-2014 12:59 PM)bubbapt Wrote:  We may not be as flat out as good as we were in 2007-08, but I do think that this team is better offensively than any other team from 2005 to 09.

better than the 05-06 team with DWash, Carney, Shawne Williams, and CDR?

No.

On KenPom, our adjusted offensive efficiency is 41 right now.

2006-37
2007- 23
2008- 6
2009- 33

Per stats right now, it's not better than any of them. TO my eye, it's not better than any of them. Maybe if we feed Shaq and Austin more it'll go up as they're shooting around 55% or better combined. Can't underestimate having guys who just goes and gets a bucket when we need one (Dwash, Shawne, CDR, Hunt, Rose, Reke)

Tigers are winning games and we are not yet running on all eight cylinders. If all four guards start hitting their shots and free throws, look out. Shaq is solid, Nichols is getting his game face on, and Pellom is getting his conditioning back. Put it all together and they are a force capable of playing with any team. I still think we are an Elite 8 team.