^From the 2nd row, i'd agree we had some unfortunate calls in the 2008 championship game, but we also made mistakes and missed key free throws.

Not many games are called as well as the recent game vs louisville unfortunately.

(01-13-2014 02:46 PM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote:  ^From the 2nd row, i'd agree we had some unfortunate calls in the 2008 championship game, but we also made mistakes and missed key free throws.

Not many games are called as well as the recent game vs louisville unfortunately.

Ha, Louisville fans think last year's game in the FEF was well called, and the one last Thursday was horrible.

(01-13-2014 02:58 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(01-13-2014 02:46 PM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote:  ^From the 2nd row, i'd agree we had some unfortunate calls in the 2008 championship game, but we also made mistakes and missed key free throws.

Not many games are called as well as the recent game vs louisville unfortunately.

Ha, Louisville fans think last year's game in the FEF was well called, and the one last Thursday was horrible.

Last year's Louisville game was the only one, in all of my years of watching the tigers, that I complained about the refs.

This comes up every year.

Sports Illustrated ran a story a few years ago about home field/court/ice advantage.

The conclusion was a large part of it is indeed referees subconsciously make close calls that benefit the home team (gets approval for them). It does not mean every call benefits the home team and it absolutely did not mean the referees conspire to aid them. But the study found they do benefit the home team. You can likely google the story.

This issue: January 17, 2011

(01-13-2014 02:58 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(01-13-2014 02:46 PM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote:  ^From the 2nd row, i'd agree we had some unfortunate calls in the 2008 championship game, but we also made mistakes and missed key free throws.

Not many games are called as well as the recent game vs louisville unfortunately.

Ha, Louisville fans think last year's game in the FEF was well called, and the one last Thursday was horrible.

That may be very true and i know what you mean, but that isn't the case. It was an even whistle. Again, if you look at the game thread, i said the officiating was good at halftime long BEFORE the game was decided. If we had lost, i would have posted congrats to ville on a good game in the game thread just like i did when we lost to cincy. I never said a word about officiating in that game. We just lost it, plain and simple.

For anyone who thinks the louisville game was called in our favor, please present your case. Not just a call or two. Show me where the refs were helping memphis win the game.

(01-13-2014 02:20 PM)homefry20 Wrote:  

(01-13-2014 02:08 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-13-2014 01:39 PM)homefry20 Wrote:  

(01-13-2014 01:24 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-13-2014 01:08 PM)homefry20 Wrote:  That's a completely unfounded statement. Pretty much on par with the rest of what you say.

It is exactly right.

Based on what? Your enlightening omniscience?

Interesting that someone who responded the way you did, would ask this question. Pretty much on par with the rest of what you say.

You have yet to mention a basis for this assumption of cheating or bias without rambling on like a goon. Are you going to answer the question or just continue clamoring around?

You have everything wrong including the reading comprehension part. Don't bother answering; your opinion is meritless anyway.

(01-13-2014 03:28 PM)Mimi Wrote:  This comes up every year.

Sports Illustrated ran a story a few years ago about home field/court/ice advantage.

The conclusion was a large part of it is indeed referees subconsciously make close calls that benefit the home team (gets approval for them). It does not mean every call benefits the home team and it absolutely did not mean the referees conspire to aid them. But the study found they do benefit the home team. You can likely google the story.

Enlightening Omniscience 1
Homefry 0

(01-13-2014 03:43 PM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote:  

(01-13-2014 02:58 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(01-13-2014 02:46 PM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote:  ^From the 2nd row, i'd agree we had some unfortunate calls in the 2008 championship game, but we also made mistakes and missed key free throws.

Not many games are called as well as the recent game vs louisville unfortunately.

Ha, Louisville fans think last year's game in the FEF was well called, and the one last Thursday was horrible.

That may be very true and i know what you mean, but that isn't the case. It was an even whistle. Again, if you look at the game thread, i said the officiating was good at halftime long BEFORE the game was decided. If we had lost, i would have posted congrats to ville on a good game in the game thread just like i did when we lost to cincy. I never said a word about officiating in that game. We just lost it, plain and simple.

For anyone who thinks the louisville game was called in our favor, please present your case. Not just a call or two. Show me where the refs were helping memphis win the game.

I thought last year's Louisville game was the worst I've ever seen. I thought in this year's game the refs were good to us.

(01-13-2014 04:04 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-13-2014 03:43 PM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote:  

(01-13-2014 02:58 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(01-13-2014 02:46 PM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote:  ^From the 2nd row, i'd agree we had some unfortunate calls in the 2008 championship game, but we also made mistakes and missed key free throws.

Not many games are called as well as the recent game vs louisville unfortunately.

Ha, Louisville fans think last year's game in the FEF was well called, and the one last Thursday was horrible.

That may be very true and i know what you mean, but that isn't the case. It was an even whistle. Again, if you look at the game thread, i said the officiating was good at halftime long BEFORE the game was decided. If we had lost, i would have posted congrats to ville on a good game in the game thread just like i did when we lost to cincy. I never said a word about officiating in that game. We just lost it, plain and simple.

For anyone who thinks the louisville game was called in our favor, please present your case. Not just a call or two. Show me where the refs were helping memphis win the game.

I thought last year's Louisville game was the worst I've ever seen. I thought in this year's game the refs were good to us.

Any time fans of the winning team think the refs were good they were probably pretty bad...

When both fanbases are pissed that is probably when they have done the best job...LOL

(01-13-2014 02:46 PM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote:  ^From the 2nd row, i'd agree we had some unfortunate calls in the 2008 championship game, but we also made mistakes and missed key free throws.

Not many games are called as well as the recent game vs louisville unfortunately.

Sometimes 1 call can affect the outcome of a game. When Hightower ****** up the out of bounds call, we were up 7 points with 1:45 left and would have been shooting free throws with around 1:35 left. Instead, all of a sudden we're up 4. Potentially a 5 point swing with 10-15 more seconds off the clock.

(01-13-2014 04:08 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(01-13-2014 04:04 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-13-2014 03:43 PM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote:  

(01-13-2014 02:58 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(01-13-2014 02:46 PM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote:  ^From the 2nd row, i'd agree we had some unfortunate calls in the 2008 championship game, but we also made mistakes and missed key free throws.

Not many games are called as well as the recent game vs louisville unfortunately.

Ha, Louisville fans think last year's game in the FEF was well called, and the one last Thursday was horrible.

That may be very true and i know what you mean, but that isn't the case. It was an even whistle. Again, if you look at the game thread, i said the officiating was good at halftime long BEFORE the game was decided. If we had lost, i would have posted congrats to ville on a good game in the game thread just like i did when we lost to cincy. I never said a word about officiating in that game. We just lost it, plain and simple.

For anyone who thinks the louisville game was called in our favor, please present your case. Not just a call or two. Show me where the refs were helping memphis win the game.

I thought last year's Louisville game was the worst I've ever seen. I thought in this year's game the refs were good to us.

Any time fans of the winning team think the refs were good they were probably pretty bad...

When both fanbases are pissed that is probably when they have done the best job...LOL

I think we were so messed up from last year's raping, that anything less than a raping this year was going to look good.

(01-13-2014 04:08 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(01-13-2014 04:04 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-13-2014 03:43 PM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote:  

(01-13-2014 02:58 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(01-13-2014 02:46 PM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote:  ^From the 2nd row, i'd agree we had some unfortunate calls in the 2008 championship game, but we also made mistakes and missed key free throws.

Not many games are called as well as the recent game vs louisville unfortunately.

Ha, Louisville fans think last year's game in the FEF was well called, and the one last Thursday was horrible.

That may be very true and i know what you mean, but that isn't the case. It was an even whistle. Again, if you look at the game thread, i said the officiating was good at halftime long BEFORE the game was decided. If we had lost, i would have posted congrats to ville on a good game in the game thread just like i did when we lost to cincy. I never said a word about officiating in that game. We just lost it, plain and simple.

For anyone who thinks the louisville game was called in our favor, please present your case. Not just a call or two. Show me where the refs were helping memphis win the game.

I thought last year's Louisville game was the worst I've ever seen. I thought in this year's game the refs were good to us.

Any time fans of the winning team think the refs were good they were probably pretty bad...

When both fanbases are pissed that is probably when they have done the best job...LOL

My mentor once told me if both coaches are mad then you did a great job. If one or both are happy then you probably sucked.

(01-13-2014 04:12 PM)homefry20 Wrote:  

(01-13-2014 04:08 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(01-13-2014 04:04 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-13-2014 03:43 PM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote:  

(01-13-2014 02:58 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Ha, Louisville fans think last year's game in the FEF was well called, and the one last Thursday was horrible.

That may be very true and i know what you mean, but that isn't the case. It was an even whistle. Again, if you look at the game thread, i said the officiating was good at halftime long BEFORE the game was decided. If we had lost, i would have posted congrats to ville on a good game in the game thread just like i did when we lost to cincy. I never said a word about officiating in that game. We just lost it, plain and simple.

For anyone who thinks the louisville game was called in our favor, please present your case. Not just a call or two. Show me where the refs were helping memphis win the game.

I thought last year's Louisville game was the worst I've ever seen. I thought in this year's game the refs were good to us.

Any time fans of the winning team think the refs were good they were probably pretty bad...

When both fanbases are pissed that is probably when they have done the best job...LOL

My mentor once told me if both coaches are mad then you did a great job. If one or both are happy then you probably sucked.

My brother told me something similar to that once. He said if your wife and girlfriend are both happy then you're probably doing a good job, but if one or both are mad then you're probably in a heap of trouble.

(01-13-2014 04:24 PM)oldmangrizz Wrote:  

(01-13-2014 04:12 PM)homefry20 Wrote:  

(01-13-2014 04:08 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(01-13-2014 04:04 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-13-2014 03:43 PM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote:  That may be very true and i know what you mean, but that isn't the case. It was an even whistle. Again, if you look at the game thread, i said the officiating was good at halftime long BEFORE the game was decided. If we had lost, i would have posted congrats to ville on a good game in the game thread just like i did when we lost to cincy. I never said a word about officiating in that game. We just lost it, plain and simple.

For anyone who thinks the louisville game was called in our favor, please present your case. Not just a call or two. Show me where the refs were helping memphis win the game.

I thought last year's Louisville game was the worst I've ever seen. I thought in this year's game the refs were good to us.

Any time fans of the winning team think the refs were good they were probably pretty bad...

When both fanbases are pissed that is probably when they have done the best job...LOL

My mentor once told me if both coaches are mad then you did a great job. If one or both are happy then you probably sucked.

My brother told me something similar to that once. He said if your wife and girlfriend are both happy then you're probably doing a good job, but if one or both are mad then you're probably in a heap of trouble.

When my father in law worked at an ER in Indy, they once had a guy come in who was shot - by his wife, his girlfriend, and his mother! Now that's a bad day!

As for the idea that officials NEVER try to influence the outcome of a game, I'm not that naive.

I know they are not supposed to gamble, but I've never seen any group of people universally follow the rules.

And I wouldn't be most concerned about trying to make themselves money on a game, but rather someone owing too much money to the wrong people.

My knowledge of human beings says - that happens. Surely not a lot, but not never.

There is another way in which decisions about how to call a game can affect the outcome. Conferences have a stake in certain outcomes. For example, in relation to implications for NCAA seeding or number of teams in the tournament. This can mean big money to them. And so a coordinator could tell a crew for example to let them play, while without necessarily saying so, that could favor a less skilled underdog, or in another situation a more athletic and aggressive favorite.

I'm pretty sure that happens in some cases.

To insinuate officials or administrators are actively taking part in bias or otherwise cheating is ridiculous.

(01-13-2014 05:49 PM)lenetzach Wrote:  As for the idea that officials NEVER try to influence the outcome of a game, I'm not that naive.

I know they are not supposed to gamble, but I've never seen any group of people universally follow the rules.

And I wouldn't be most concerned about trying to make themselves money on a game, but rather someone owing too much money to the wrong people.

My knowledge of human beings says - that happens. Surely not a lot, but not never.

There is another way in which decisions about how to call a game can affect the outcome. Conferences have a stake in certain outcomes. For example, in relation to implications for NCAA seeding or number of teams in the tournament. This can mean big money to them. And so a coordinator could tell a crew for example to let them play, while without necessarily saying so, that could favor a less skilled underdog, or in another situation a more athletic and aggressive favorite.

I'm pretty sure that happens in some cases.

Yep. At the college level I don't think it's intentional, just human nature. To say otherwise is to deny reality.

(01-13-2014 07:53 PM)homefry20 Wrote:  To insinuate officials or administrators are actively taking part in bias or otherwise cheating is ridiculous.

I understand why you want to believe that at this stage and I don't blame you.