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RE: Way too early 2015 College Football Playoff Outlook
(09-09-2014 12:13 AM)PrideinthePack Wrote:  The MAC deserves disrespect.

Well then the Big 10 does too.

Reality is, NIU would have to run the table whether that disrespect is earned or not. I think the upside of the argument is that an undefeated NIU team would not have much competition for the spot, all other teams mentioned will at least have one loss with exception of Marshall. And Marshall doesn't have the schedule for FCS respect let alone FBS. But yes, one loss and NIU is done.
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The Big Ten is already getting disrespected. Don't you worry your pretty little head.
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RE: Way too early 2015 College Football Playoff Outlook
The MAC is bad, but it's top teams are competitive with the top AAC teams and MWC. CUSA and Sun Belt don't have as good top teams at the moment.

I really think NIU could have 2 losses and be in the conversation because of past performance of consistency, same for Boise.

I'd say winner of AAC would be the clubhouse favorite, but they're also more likely to have a few losses, because their top 3 teams are the best set of top 3 teams. Top to bottom, none of these conferences are great, but AAC and MWC are certainly better. I can't make an argument for the other conferences as being better. More competitive, probably, but their top teams aren't as talented as Toledo, NIU, BG, right now.
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RE: Way too early 2015 College Football Playoff Outlook
As I pointed out earlier, in the "G5" battle:

Boise/Cinci/ECU/UCF are the contenders. If any one of them go 1-loss and Marshall & NIU each have 1-loss with their easier schedules, it's one of those from the American Athletic or Boise.

CMU theoretically is in the same boat as NIU. But CMU beating Syracuse, Kansas, NIU, BSU and Toledo is a long-shot while still having pesky EMU/WMU to deal with even when they're better.

Basically, you need Boise/Cinci/ECU/UCF all have at least 2 losses if NIU wants to afford a loss to Arkansas yet still go to a BCS Bowl. Same goes for Marshall, although I think NIU would get the lean on that, as long as NIU blows out the lesser MAC teams that they should blow out.

Best Chances for 1-loss:
1. Marshall (can lose @Akron or CUSAC)
2. Boise (has to beat BYU and MWC)
3. NIU (can only lose 1 of: @Arkansas, Toledo, @BSU, CMU, MACC)
4. Cinci (can only lose to 1 of: Toledo, @OSU, @Miami-FL, ECU)
5. ECU (has to beat: @VTech, North Carolina, @Cinci, UCF)
6. UCF (has to beat: @Missouri, BYU, @ECU)
7. Akron (has to beat: Marshall, @Pitt, @BSU, BGSU, MACC)
7. CMU (can only lose to 1 of: Syracuse, @Kansas, @Toledo, @NIU, BSU, MACC)



MY PREDICTION:

ECU/UCF/Cinci will all have 2+ losses each.
Marshall will have 0 losses, MAYBE 1 loss (go Akron).
Boise will have 2 losses, MAYBE 1 loss (go BYU).
NIU will have 2 losses, MAYBE 1 loss.
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I say all of the top AAC teams will have two losses going into conference season. It's pretty damn hard to win all your conference games, especially in a conference like that with no clear contender but lots of good team at the top. The champ will at minimum have three losses. 1-loss NIU stacks up well against that.
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My off the wall prediction is Old Dominion beats Marshall in week 5 to knock them out of contention.

With those schedules you posted, this spot could be totally up for grabs.
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(09-09-2014 12:24 AM)toddjnsn Wrote:  As I pointed out earlier, in the "G5" battle:

Boise/Cinci/ECU/UCF are the contenders. If any one of them go 1-loss and Marshall & NIU each have 1-loss with their easier schedules, it's one of those from the American Athletic or Boise.

CMU theoretically is in the same boat as NIU. But CMU beating Syracuse, Kansas, NIU, BSU and Toledo is a long-shot while still having pesky EMU/WMU to deal with even when they're better.

Basically, you need Boise/Cinci/ECU/UCF all have at least 2 losses if NIU wants to afford a loss to Arkansas yet still go to a BCS Bowl. Same goes for Marshall, although I think NIU would get the lean on that, as long as NIU blows out the lesser MAC teams that they should blow out.

Best Chances for 1-loss:
1. Marshall (can lose @Akron or CUSAC)
2. Boise (has to beat BYU and MWC)
3. NIU (can only lose 1 of: @Arkansas, Toledo, @BSU, CMU, MACC)
4. Cinci (can only lose to 1 of: Toledo, @OSU, @Miami-FL, ECU)
5. ECU (has to beat: @VTech, North Carolina, @Cinci, UCF)
6. UCF (has to beat: @Missouri, BYU, @ECU)
7. Akron (has to beat: Marshall, @Pitt, @BSU, BGSU, MACC)
7. CMU (can only lose to 1 of: Syracuse, @Kansas, @Toledo, @NIU, BSU, MACC)



MY PREDICTION:

ECU/UCF/Cinci will all have 2+ losses each.
Marshall will have 0 losses, MAYBE 1 loss (go Akron).
Boise will have 2 losses, MAYBE 1 loss (go BYU).
NIU will have 2 losses, MAYBE 1 loss.

As I read it the Access Bowl GO5 team must be a conference champion. So lose the CCG and you are out of consideration. The AAC doesnt have one until next year so they are helped in that aspect BUT do get slightly hurt on SOS with not having a 13th game.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...inal-games

"the highest-rated champion from the "Group of Five" conferences -- the Big East, Conference USA, Mountain West, Sun Belt and Mid-American -- will receive an automatic berth in one of the six access bowls."
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I just want to make sure this would never happen. If CMU and NIU were undefeated (I know it wont happen) would Gameday consider it?
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(09-09-2014 04:37 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  I just want to make sure this would never happen. If CMU and NIU were undefeated (I know it wont happen) would Gameday consider it?

That week has 4 (make that 7 listed below) other P5 match ups that could look better but IF we are both unbeaten then it would open the door to the possibility.

Also LOL to Corso and Herby in DeKalb.


"Big" games that week...

PSU at Mich
Georgia at Mizzu
Louisville at Clemson
LSU at Florida
Ole Miss at TX A&M
OU vs TX
USC at AZ
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(09-09-2014 04:37 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  I just want to make sure this would never happen. If CMU and NIU were undefeated (I know it wont happen) would Gameday consider it?

They're going to Fargo, ND this week...AGAIN...anything can happen...
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(09-09-2014 04:37 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  I just want to make sure this would never happen. If CMU and NIU were undefeated (I know it wont happen) would Gameday consider it?

Competition would be... (Current Rankings)
#2 Oregon at #12 UCLA
#6 Georgia at #20 Missouri
#14 Ole Miss at #7 Texas A&M

Outside looking in...
#10 LSU at Florida (they would have to beat Bama and Tennessee then this becomes a monster game)
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Quote:As I read it the Access Bowl GO5 team must be a conference champion. So lose the CCG and you are out of consideration. The AAC doesnt have one until next year so they are helped in that aspect BUT do get slightly hurt on SOS with not having a 13th game.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...inal-games

Okay, so NIU, CMU, Akron, and Boise would need to win their championship game in order to go. That adds a little mixture to it. It's a required win to go, even if it's your only loss.

So a 1-loss NIU to, say, BGSU or Akron in MACC -- will not put NIU into consideration, even if BYU, Boise, and all the others have 2+ losses.

I think the MACC game notably helps if there's a ranked or roughly-ranked Mac East team playing. But against Cinci/ECU/UCF schedule, an unranked Mac East team won't be enough to break a regular season record tie for NIU, given NIU's schedule.

Quote:I just want to make sure this would never happen. If CMU and NIU were undefeated (I know it wont happen) would Gameday consider it?

A lot of luck would be needed from now, for those other games on Oct 11th not to sound so hot. So no, right now as it stands, it wouldn't. A shift would be needed, as:
- No. 2 Oregon at No. 12 UCLA
- No. 6 Georgia at No. 20 Missouri
- No. 14 Ole Miss at No. 7 Texas A&M
- TCU at No. 8 Baylor (Improved TCU?)
- No. 10 LSU at Florida (Florida come back from the dead to be a power?)
- No. 21 Louisville at No. 23 Clemson

COULD be, though. If there's no other undefeated teams for some reason playing in that mix alongside anyone reasonably ranked -- then yeah, technically could happen.

I think in the Year of the MAC (2003), we had it on GameDay because that year the MAC beat the sh!t out of other conferences in non-conf. We'd need to start doing that ASAP to help that cause.
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(09-09-2014 12:24 AM)toddjnsn Wrote:  As I pointed out earlier, in the "G5" battle:

Boise/Cinci/ECU/UCF are the contenders. If any one of them go 1-loss and Marshall & NIU each have 1-loss with their easier schedules, it's one of those from the American Athletic or Boise.

CMU theoretically is in the same boat as NIU. But CMU beating Syracuse, Kansas, NIU, BSU and Toledo is a long-shot while still having pesky EMU/WMU to deal with even when they're better.

Basically, you need Boise/Cinci/ECU/UCF all have at least 2 losses if NIU wants to afford a loss to Arkansas yet still go to a BCS Bowl. Same goes for Marshall, although I think NIU would get the lean on that, as long as NIU blows out the lesser MAC teams that they should blow out.

Best Chances for 1-loss:
1. Marshall (can lose @Akron or CUSAC)
2. Boise (has to beat BYU and MWC)
3. NIU (can only lose 1 of: @Arkansas, Toledo, @BSU, CMU, MACC)
4. Cinci (can only lose to 1 of: Toledo, @OSU, @Miami-FL, ECU)
5. ECU (has to beat: @VTech, North Carolina, @Cinci, UCF)
6. UCF (has to beat: @Missouri, BYU, @ECU)
7. Akron (has to beat: Marshall, @Pitt, @BSU, BGSU, MACC)
7. CMU (can only lose to 1 of: Syracuse, @Kansas, @Toledo, @NIU, BSU, MACC)



MY PREDICTION:

ECU/UCF/Cinci will all have 2+ losses each.
Marshall will have 0 losses, MAYBE 1 loss (go Akron).
Boise will have 2 losses, MAYBE 1 loss (go BYU).
NIU will have 2 losses, MAYBE 1 loss.


Where does BYU fit into this since they are independent? They are ranked in top 25 already
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(09-09-2014 05:47 PM)elhombre14 Wrote:  
(09-09-2014 12:24 AM)toddjnsn Wrote:  As I pointed out earlier, in the "G5" battle:

Boise/Cinci/ECU/UCF are the contenders. If any one of them go 1-loss and Marshall & NIU each have 1-loss with their easier schedules, it's one of those from the American Athletic or Boise.

CMU theoretically is in the same boat as NIU. But CMU beating Syracuse, Kansas, NIU, BSU and Toledo is a long-shot while still having pesky EMU/WMU to deal with even when they're better.

Basically, you need Boise/Cinci/ECU/UCF all have at least 2 losses if NIU wants to afford a loss to Arkansas yet still go to a BCS Bowl. Same goes for Marshall, although I think NIU would get the lean on that, as long as NIU blows out the lesser MAC teams that they should blow out.

Best Chances for 1-loss:
1. Marshall (can lose @Akron or CUSAC)
2. Boise (has to beat BYU and MWC)
3. NIU (can only lose 1 of: @Arkansas, Toledo, @BSU, CMU, MACC)
4. Cinci (can only lose to 1 of: Toledo, @OSU, @Miami-FL, ECU)
5. ECU (has to beat: @VTech, North Carolina, @Cinci, UCF)
6. UCF (has to beat: @Missouri, BYU, @ECU)
7. Akron (has to beat: Marshall, @Pitt, @BSU, BGSU, MACC)
7. CMU (can only lose to 1 of: Syracuse, @Kansas, @Toledo, @NIU, BSU, MACC)



MY PREDICTION:

ECU/UCF/Cinci will all have 2+ losses each.
Marshall will have 0 losses, MAYBE 1 loss (go Akron).
Boise will have 2 losses, MAYBE 1 loss (go BYU).
NIU will have 2 losses, MAYBE 1 loss.


Where does BYU fit into this since they are independent? They are ranked in top 25 already

They don't because they are an independent named ND.
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Game day in dekalb when a likely undefeated Oregon is playing at most a one loss UCLA....hate to say it but not a chance is hell.
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