(01-10-2014 04:52 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  This is the same topic/article as the other thread, right?

Yup, I merged the threads not too long ago.

(01-10-2014 05:01 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  For Pitt I'd like our 3 set games to be against VT, Syracuse, and Miami, and work out the 5 other games (on a rotating basis) from there.

Right there with you on this!

(01-10-2014 02:33 PM)ken d Wrote:  Florida State wants to play certain schools every year, not for competitive reasons, or to accommodate fans interest in traveling to nearby schools, but primarily to fill their own stadium. Their fans have shown little interest in watching the Noles beat up Wake Forest and BC. And to them, empty seats at Doak Walker are a major concern.

This entire paragraph is one giant contradiction. Let me first correct an error you've made. It's Doak Campbell Stadium, not Doak Walker.

But how is it that FSU doesn't care about fan interest in nearby schools or competitiveness, but then the very schools FSU wants to play (GT, Clemson, Miami) are both the nearest schools to FSU and also 3 of the better programs in the ACC?

You give FSU those 3 every year and rotate the other 10 schools through FSUs schedule at equal intervals and I don't think FSU will have any complaints.

As I've said often throughout the various divisional threads, any plan (now without divisions as well as those other previous plans with divisions) that gets FSU, Miami, Clemson and GT playing each other annually or near annually as possible helps the ACC in terms of perception and TV.

As an SU fan, I am content with playing any three of BC, Pitt, Louisville, and VT annually just as long as we cycle through FSU, Miami, Clemson, and GT more quickly than we do Notre Dame.

Cheers,
Neil

Nine game schedule, no divisions each school gets four permanent opponents and rotates the other five every year. You play everyone in the conference at least once every two years.

WF- Duke, UNC, NC State, BC
Duke- WF, UNC, NC State, Syracuse
UNC- NC State, Duke, WF, UVa
NC State- UNC, WF, Duke, Clemson
GT- Clemson, FSU, Louisville, Miami
FSU- Miami, Clemson, GT, VT
Miami- FSU, GT, Clemson, Louisville
Clemson- GT, FSU, Miami, NC State
VT- UVa, Pitt, FSU, Louisville
UVa- VT, UNC, Pitt, BC
Louisville - GT, Syracuse, VT, Miami
Pitt- BC, Syracuse, UVA, VT
Syracuse- BC, Pitt, Duke, Louisville
BC- Syracuse, Pitt, WF, UVa

(01-10-2014 05:06 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(01-10-2014 02:33 PM)ken d Wrote:  Florida State wants to play certain schools every year, not for competitive reasons, or to accommodate fans interest in traveling to nearby schools, but primarily to fill their own stadium. Their fans have shown little interest in watching the Noles beat up Wake Forest and BC. And to them, empty seats at Doak Walker are a major concern.

This entire paragraph is one giant contradiction. Let me first correct an error you've made. It's Doak Campbell Stadium, not Doak Walker.

But how is it that FSU doesn't care about fan interest in nearby schools or competitiveness, but then the very schools FSU wants to play (GT, Clemson, Miami) are both the nearest schools to FSU and also 3 of the better programs in the ACC?

You give FSU those 3 every year and rotate the other 10 schools through FSUs schedule at equal intervals and I don't think FSU will have any complaints.

Right about the stadium - I had a brain freeze. That happens when you're old enough to remember Doak Walker.

What I was saying was that FSU doesn't care much about whether its own fans travel to other schools. It's whether visiting teams are attractive enough to make FSU fans attend home games.

For GT .......

If three: Clemson, UNC/Duke, FSU/Miami
If Four: Clemson, UNC, Duke, FSU/Miami
If Five: Clemson, UNC, Duke, FSU/Miami, Pitt

Actually, with 14 teams it works like this:

7 games = 1 rival + 6 alternating (2 x 6 = 12; 12 + 1 + 1* = 14)

8 games = 3 rivals + 5 alternating (2 x 5 = 10; 10 + 3 + 1* = 14)

9 games = 5 rivals + 4 alternating (2 x 4 = 8; 8 + 5 + 1* = 14)

There is no scenario for 4 permanent rivals.

* this is your own team.

(01-10-2014 07:17 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  Nine game schedule, no divisions each school gets four permanent opponents and rotates the other five every year. You play everyone in the conference at least once every two years.

WF- Duke, UNC, NC State, BC
Duke- WF, UNC, NC State, Syracuse
UNC- NC State, Duke, WF, UVa
NC State- UNC, WF, Duke, Clemson
GT- Clemson, FSU, Louisville, Miami
FSU- Miami, Clemson, GT, VT
Miami- FSU, GT, Clemson, Louisville
Clemson- GT, FSU, Miami, NC State
VT- UVa, Pitt, FSU, Louisville
UVa- VT, UNC, Pitt, BC
Louisville - GT, Syracuse, VT, Miami
Pitt- BC, Syracuse, UVA, VT
Syracuse- BC, Pitt, Duke, Louisville
BC- Syracuse, Pitt, WF, UVa

I like it -- I know most Miami fans would be a-OK with playing FSU, Clemson, GT, and the Ville every year. That's all we really need, especially if you could work out having FSU at home one year and Clemson the next!

As a Pitt fan, I'm going to have to disagree with the other Pitt fans that have weighed in on this thread. If we're going to adopt the system proposed above, I'm cool with it provided one of our permanent rivals is Notre Dame. I mean if we're going to take care of everyone else, that's cool. But if that's how we're going to do this, then I want my team to be taken care of as well.

I'd like our rivals to be:
1.) Notre Dame
2.) Miami
3.) Virginia Tech
4.) Syracuse
5-13.) Anyone else...

I would definitely be cool with the above set up. In fact I'd love it.

(01-10-2014 07:17 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  Nine game schedule, no divisions each school gets four permanent opponents and rotates the other five every year. You play everyone in the conference at least once every two years.

WF- Duke, UNC, NC State, BC
Duke- WF, UNC, NC State, Syracuse
UNC- NC State, Duke, WF, UVa
NC State- UNC, WF, Duke, Clemson
GT- Clemson, FSU, Louisville, Miami
FSU- Miami, Clemson, GT, VT
Miami- FSU, GT, Clemson, Louisville
Clemson- GT, FSU, Miami, NC State
VT- UVa, Pitt, FSU, Louisville
UVa- VT, UNC, Pitt, BC
Louisville - GT, Syracuse, VT, Miami
Pitt- BC, Syracuse, UVA, VT
Syracuse- BC, Pitt, Duke, Louisville
BC- Syracuse, Pitt, WF, UVa

I think you nailed it, stretching it to four is the only way to satisfy everyone. The only suggestion is that I think with this setup an 8 game schedule works better.

(01-10-2014 07:40 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(01-10-2014 05:06 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(01-10-2014 02:33 PM)ken d Wrote:  Florida State wants to play certain schools every year, not for competitive reasons, or to accommodate fans interest in traveling to nearby schools, but primarily to fill their own stadium. Their fans have shown little interest in watching the Noles beat up Wake Forest and BC. And to them, empty seats at Doak Walker are a major concern.

This entire paragraph is one giant contradiction. Let me first correct an error you've made. It's Doak Campbell Stadium, not Doak Walker.

But how is it that FSU doesn't care about fan interest in nearby schools or competitiveness, but then the very schools FSU wants to play (GT, Clemson, Miami) are both the nearest schools to FSU and also 3 of the better programs in the ACC?

You give FSU those 3 every year and rotate the other 10 schools through FSUs schedule at equal intervals and I don't think FSU will have any complaints.

Right about the stadium - I had a brain freeze. That happens when you're old enough to remember Doak Walker.

What I was saying was that FSU doesn't care much about whether its own fans travel to other schools. It's whether visiting teams are attractive enough to make FSU fans attend home games.

Fair enough.

But FSU does care about games in locations where local alumni populations can attend (Georgia and Virginia, for example, which we rarely have had recently and will have even less frequently in the future).

(01-10-2014 08:56 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Actually, with 14 teams it works like this:

7 games = 1 rival + 6 alternating (2 x 6 = 12; 12 + 1 + 1* = 14)

8 games = 3 rivals + 5 alternating (2 x 5 = 10; 10 + 3 + 1* = 14)

9 games = 5 rivals + 4 alternating (2 x 4 = 8; 8 + 5 + 1* = 14)

There is no scenario for 4 permanent rivals.

* this is your own team.

It can work other ways, too. It doesn't HAVE to be precisely 3 rivals with an 8 game schedule.

(01-10-2014 09:32 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  

(01-10-2014 07:17 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  Nine game schedule, no divisions each school gets four permanent opponents and rotates the other five every year. You play everyone in the conference at least once every two years.

WF- Duke, UNC, NC State, BC
Duke- WF, UNC, NC State, Syracuse
UNC- NC State, Duke, WF, UVa
NC State- UNC, WF, Duke, Clemson
GT- Clemson, FSU, Louisville, Miami
FSU- Miami, Clemson, GT, VT
Miami- FSU, GT, Clemson, Louisville
Clemson- GT, FSU, Miami, NC State
VT- UVa, Pitt, FSU, Louisville
UVa- VT, UNC, Pitt, BC
Louisville - GT, Syracuse, VT, Miami
Pitt- BC, Syracuse, UVA, VT
Syracuse- BC, Pitt, Duke, Louisville
BC- Syracuse, Pitt, WF, UVa

I like it -- I know most Miami fans would be a-OK with playing FSU, Clemson, GT, and the Ville every year. That's all we really need, especially if you could work out having FSU at home one year and Clemson the next!

No annual VT/Miami game?

(01-10-2014 10:10 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  As a Pitt fan, I'm going to have to disagree with the other Pitt fans that have weighed in on this thread. If we're going to adopt the system proposed above, I'm cool with it provided one of our permanent rivals is Notre Dame. I mean if we're going to take care of everyone else, that's cool. But if that's how we're going to do this, then I want my team to be taken care of as well.

I'd like our rivals to be:
1.) Notre Dame
2.) Miami
3.) Virginia Tech
4.) Syracuse
5-13.) Anyone else...

I would definitely be cool with the above set up. In fact I'd love it.

I'm not opposed to making Pitt/ND an annual game as long as the football schools wants are met and other reasonable ACC rivalries are preserved.

Noticing a trend where BC gets Syracuse then the leftovers on everyone's list.

What BC should get: Syracuse, Clemson(trophy game), VT, Miami/Pitt

(01-10-2014 07:17 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  Nine game schedule, no divisions each school gets four permanent opponents and rotates the other five every year. You play everyone in the conference at least once every two years.

WF- Duke, UNC, NC State, BC
Duke- WF, UNC, NC State, Syracuse
UNC- NC State, Duke, WF, UVa
NC State- UNC, WF, Duke, Clemson
GT- Clemson, FSU, Louisville, Miami
FSU- Miami, Clemson, GT, VT
Miami- FSU, GT, Clemson, Louisville
Clemson- GT, FSU, Miami, NC State
VT- UVa, Pitt, FSU, Louisville
UVa- VT, UNC, Pitt, BC
Louisville - GT, Syracuse, VT, Miami
Pitt- BC, Syracuse, UVA, VT
Syracuse- BC, Pitt, Duke, Louisville
BC- Syracuse, Pitt, WF, UVa

3 permanents + 5 rotating = 8 game schedule in which every school plays every other school once every 2 years.

If you go to a 9 game schedule in divisions, everyone would play everyone once every 3 years.

9 game schedule would be the best option across the board. You don't have to change the divisions or come up with some funky set up to make it work. The issue with 9 game schedules come with FSU, Clemson, Louisville, and GT already have built in SEC rivals. So every three years they would get 9 conference games + SEC Rival + Notre Dame which would leave them one game left to use at their disposal. Those teams will have a more difficult time scheduling high profile non-conference games.

Ultimately, I think if the SEC goes to 9 conference games, the ACC may soon follow especially if ESPN begins pushing harder for it as a way to get a network going.

9 games is a non starter for FSU, GT, Clemson and Louisville because of their out of conference rivals.

However, you play everyone in 2 years with no divisions and 8 games with 3 rivals, and 5 rotating games.

(01-10-2014 11:42 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  [:cloud9:quote='WakeForestRanger' pid='10277659' dateline='1389399426']
Nine game schedule, no divisions each school gets four permanent opponents and rotates the other five every year. You play everyone in the conference at least once every two years.

WF- Duke, UNC, NC State, BC
Duke- WF, UNC, NC State, Syracuse
UNC- NC State, Duke, WF, UVa
NC State- UNC, WF, Duke, Clemson
GT- Clemson, FSU, Louisville, Miami
FSU- Miami, Clemson, GT, VT
Miami- FSU, GT, Clemson, Louisville
Clemson- GT, FSU, Miami, NC State
VT- UVa, Pitt, FSU, Louisville
UVa- VT, UNC, Pitt, BC
Louisville - GT, Syracuse, VT, Miami
Pitt- BC, Syracuse, UVA, VT
Syracuse- BC, Pitt, Duke, Louisville
BC- Syracuse, Pitt, WF, UVa

I think you nailed it, stretching it to four is the only way to satisfy everyone. The only suggestion is that I think with this setup an 8 game schedule works better.
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(01-11-2014 08:51 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  9 game schedule would be the best option across the board. You don't have to change the divisions or come up with some funky set up to make it work. The issue with 9 game schedules come with FSU, Clemson, Louisville, and GT already have built in SEC rivals. So every three years they would get 9 conference games + SEC Rival + Notre Dame which would leave them one game left to use at their disposal. Those teams will have a more difficult time scheduling high profile non-conference games.

Ultimately, I think if the SEC goes to 9 conference games, the ACC may soon follow especially if ESPN begins pushing harder for it as a way to get a network going.

The other issue is you don't have flexibility to schedule non conference which is important (especially for the ACC).

Funny that people are opposed to "pods" but favor having 3 or 4 permanent rivals. Sounds like pods to me.

Keep in mind this is all about TV. What is being described is a NFL type schedule. There is some seeding, some made-for-TV match ups, some divisional (aka pod) play.

I like the concept but want details before I can say I approve or disapprove.

(01-11-2014 09:26 AM)mj4life Wrote:  

(01-11-2014 08:51 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  9 game schedule would be the best option across the board. You don't have to change the divisions or come up with some funky set up to make it work. The issue with 9 game schedules come with FSU, Clemson, Louisville, and GT already have built in SEC rivals. So every three years they would get 9 conference games + SEC Rival + Notre Dame which would leave them one game left to use at their disposal. Those teams will have a more difficult time scheduling high profile non-conference games.

Ultimately, I think if the SEC goes to 9 conference games, the ACC may soon follow especially if ESPN begins pushing harder for it as a way to get a network going.

The other issue is you don't have flexibility to schedule non conference which is important (especially for the ACC).

Maybe it's me but I would think a 9 game conference schedule would be easier on the AD's and more cost effective. You wouldn't have to worry about paying hundreds of thousands of dollars to some little league team and you increase television viewership.

So if you're Florida State this could be one of your schedules:

Clem
@Louisville
NCSU
@Wake
Syracuse
@BC
Miami
UNC
@Pitt
Notre Dame
Florida
+1 - at large selection.

So every three years that AD only has to worry about that one game. The other two years, when ND isn't on the schedule, they will have 2 at large games.