Here is an article on Kirk Ferentz' contract.

http://www.blackheartgoldpants.com/football/2012/11/26/3691810/just-how-big-is-kirk-ferentzs-buyout

Most schools couldn't afford to get rid of him. They have themselves in a tough spot.

It's 75% of the remaining contract, which is through 2020. Plus, he gets a huge bonus every year just for being him.

(09-13-2014 09:30 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Here is an article on Kirk Ferentz' contract.

http://www.blackheartgoldpants.com/football/2012/11/26/3691810/just-how-big-is-kirk-ferentzs-buyout

Most schools couldn't afford to get rid of him. They have themselves in a tough spot.

It's 75% of the remaining contract, which is through 2020. Plus, he gets a huge bonus every year just for being him.

And I see it on the sidelines. He is probably the least animated and seemingly least enthusiastic Head Coach in all of College Football that I have seen the past couple of years. Literally, the guy Never reacts to anything. Players feed off of the energy of their coaches. This guy is a leach in that regard.

(09-13-2014 08:15 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 08:42 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Not really on Hot seat but if anymore embarrassing losses by Texas like the one to BYU, and any strong critique from media , I could see Charlie Strong making contact with Florida if and when that job comes open. He after all could own recruiting in Florida and has so much influence with the School System Coaches in much of the State. They could afford Him if They want Him back as H.C.

If Muschamp goes away, Strong is going to UF whether UT wants him or not. I agree he would rather go back to his recruiting grounds.

Strong leaving so soon by his own choosing would in essence be admitting defeat. I don't think Strong is that type of man. I think if Florida decides to get rid of Muschamp AND Texas is second guessing their choice of Strong then perhaps there is some communication between all parties but....watching Strong on the sidelines right now, he appears to be a man that wants this.

I don't think he will want to admit defeat at Texas so soon.

(09-13-2014 10:19 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 08:15 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 08:42 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Not really on Hot seat but if anymore embarrassing losses by Texas like the one to BYU, and any strong critique from media , I could see Charlie Strong making contact with Florida if and when that job comes open. He after all could own recruiting in Florida and has so much influence with the School System Coaches in much of the State. They could afford Him if They want Him back as H.C.

If Muschamp goes away, Strong is going to UF whether UT wants him or not. I agree he would rather go back to his recruiting grounds.

Strong leaving so soon by his own choosing would in essence be admitting defeat. I don't think Strong is that type of man. I think if Florida decides to get rid of Muschamp AND Texas is second guessing their choice of Strong then perhaps there is some communication between all parties but....watching Strong on the sidelines right now, he appears to be a man that wants this.

I don't think he will want to admit defeat at Texas so soon.

Your point on Strong not giving up is true, but the opportunity to coach at UF may never come again if Muschamp is let go. It would be a difficult decision considering that taking the UF job and not succeeding would be greatly more difficult in getting another HC job elsewhere, unless it is UL of course.

Muschamp has history at Texas and Strong has history at Florida. I think it is too soon for now but let's see how this season unfolds for Florida and Texas. Who knows, perhaps we end up with Strong in Florida and Muschamp in Texas.

Iowa football hasn't known the kind of consistent success as it has with Kirk. And, to be fair, he could still bowl this season, even if they're irrelevant in the conference race (that's how bad that side of the division is).

He runs a clean program, he recruits great defenses, and the guy hasn't seen a sub-.500 season in like 12-13 years? He might coast, but he's earned that security, imo.

Where I am I hear a lot of anti Mark Richt stuff. Most of it is emotional in nature and lacks substance. Here is the only reason Mark Richt should be on the hot seat. The state of the SEC East is the most unstable it has ever been. When two of your major rivals Tennessee and Florida are down, you are integrating a new program in Missouri which is unfamiliar with you into your division, Kentucky and Vanderbilt which have traditionally been weak football schools for the SEC are both in your division and you only really have 1 school to beat, South Carolina, and you have the most stable program outside of Carolina in the division with the best recruiting, how do you screw it up seemingly every year with very few exceptions? It seems that Georgia's promise of a divisional title gets yanked away from its fan base as often as Lucy pulls the football away from Charlie Brown's kick attempts.

(09-14-2014 05:40 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Iowa football hasn't known the kind of consistent success as it has with Kirk. And, to be fair, he could still bowl this season, even if they're irrelevant in the conference race (that's how bad that side of the division is).

He runs a clean program, he recruits great defenses, and the guy hasn't seen a sub-.500 season in like 12-13 years? He might coast, but he's earned that security, imo.

Ferentz record since he signed his big contract in 2010

2010 8-5 4-4
2011 7-6 4-4
2012 4-8 2-6
2013. 8-5 5-3
2014 2-1 0-0

Overall 29-25 15-17

The record speaks for itself. I have to give Ferentz and his agent credit. Its like they knew the exact moment Iowa would fall apart in 2010 and signed his big contract exactly then.

(09-16-2014 08:54 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Where I am I hear a lot of anti Mark Richt stuff. Most of it is emotional in nature and lacks substance. Here is the only reason Mark Richt should be on the hot seat. The state of the SEC East is the most unstable it has ever been. When two of your major rivals Tennessee and Florida are down, you are integrating a new program in Missouri which is unfamiliar with you into your division, Kentucky and Vanderbilt which have traditionally been weak football schools for the SEC are both in your division and you only really have 1 school to beat, South Carolina, and you have the most stable program outside of Carolina in the division with the best recruiting, how do you screw it up seemingly every year with very few exceptions? It seems that Georgia's promise of a divisional title gets yanked away from its fan base as often as Lucy pulls the football away from Charlie Brown's kick attempts.

Makes sense that UGa fans would be upset with Richt for underachieving. But all you have to do is look around at teams like Florida and Tennessee, who have great jobs and lots of money to pay and still don't hit home runs every time they hire a new coach, to see that there's a very good chance Georgia would do worse going forward if they fired Richt.

(09-16-2014 12:26 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(09-16-2014 08:54 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Where I am I hear a lot of anti Mark Richt stuff. Most of it is emotional in nature and lacks substance. Here is the only reason Mark Richt should be on the hot seat. The state of the SEC East is the most unstable it has ever been. When two of your major rivals Tennessee and Florida are down, you are integrating a new program in Missouri which is unfamiliar with you into your division, Kentucky and Vanderbilt which have traditionally been weak football schools for the SEC are both in your division and you only really have 1 school to beat, South Carolina, and you have the most stable program outside of Carolina in the division with the best recruiting, how do you screw it up seemingly every year with very few exceptions? It seems that Georgia's promise of a divisional title gets yanked away from its fan base as often as Lucy pulls the football away from Charlie Brown's kick attempts.

Makes sense that UGa fans would be upset with Richt for underachieving. But all you have to do is look around at teams like Florida and Tennessee, who have great jobs and lots of money to pay and still don't hit home runs every time they hire a new coach, to see that there's a very good chance Georgia would do worse going forward if they fired Richt.

They don't have to look outside, they can just look back at Ray Goff and Jim Donnan and see what is possible.

Richt catches a lot of flack, but he's won two SEC titles and played for three more. Unlike most of his competition he actually disciplines his players.....just look at current or past SEC rosters and count how many star players who originally signed with UGA played against them for other SEC programs after Richt dumped them for violations.

I hate UGA with a passion only surpassed by my hatred for South Carolina, but there are plenty of programs even in the SEC who wish they had someone like Richt at the helm.

Could all these losing coaches with long term contracts, hence huge buyout payments, cause a trend of shorter contracts? Because right now College Coach are, being reward with huge settlements for being failures at their jobs!

(09-16-2014 01:47 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Could all these losing coaches with long term contracts, hence huge buyout payments, cause a trend of shorter contracts? Because right now College Coach are, being reward with huge settlements for being failures at their jobs!

It's possible, but the AD that starts the trend is going to have to be someone with a huge set of nads and better have a good explanation and needs to getsaid explanation out there early and often because everybody they recruit against is going to use it against them.

(09-16-2014 12:23 PM)goofus Wrote:  

(09-14-2014 05:40 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Iowa football hasn't known the kind of consistent success as it has with Kirk. And, to be fair, he could still bowl this season, even if they're irrelevant in the conference race (that's how bad that side of the division is).

He runs a clean program, he recruits great defenses, and the guy hasn't seen a sub-.500 season in like 12-13 years? He might coast, but he's earned that security, imo.

Ferentz record since he signed his big contract in 2010

2010 8-5 4-4
2011 7-6 4-4
2012 4-8 2-6
2013. 8-5 5-3
2014 2-1 0-0

Overall 29-25 15-17

The record speaks for itself. I have to give Ferentz and his agent credit. Its like they knew the exact moment Iowa would fall apart in 2010 and signed his big contract exactly then.

My god. Three bowls in four years. Probably four in five adding this year. The bum.

(09-16-2014 02:05 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-16-2014 01:47 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Could all these losing coaches with long term contracts, hence huge buyout payments, cause a trend of shorter contracts? Because right now College Coach are, being reward with huge settlements for being failures at their jobs!

It's possible, but the AD that starts the trend is going to have to be someone with a huge set of nads and better have a good explanation and needs to getsaid explanation out there early and often because everybody they recruit against is going to use it against them.

Depending on how programs take to committed scholarships, that's your patsy right there. The way the B1G presented their slant, it sounded like the schools took a deeper commitment or responsibility in the recruitment process. So, if the success isn't where it should be, you can passive-aggressively punt canning some of these guys at the kind of kids he was bringing in and use that nice little language about different directions and priorities and whatnot.

You do realize how pathetically easy it is to go bowling.

Also of his 29-25 record- 5 of those wins are FCS. 24-25 against FBS teams last 5 years. with wins over 3 1 win teams in that 24 as well. Just the definition of mediocre.

(09-14-2014 01:39 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Muschamp has history at Texas and Strong has history at Florida. I think it is too soon for now but let's see how this season unfolds for Florida and Texas. Who knows, perhaps we end up with Strong in Florida and Muschamp in Texas.

I'm not so sure Strong wants the Florida job. The Gators had more than one chance to hire him, and didn't. He earned a head coaching job long before he was given the opportunity.

(09-16-2014 02:15 PM)stever20 Wrote:  You do realize how pathetically easy it is to go bowling.

Except it really isn't. Ask Indiana over the last decade...load up on fluff in the non-conference, heck, go 4-0 in the non-conference, and then brace up for the Big Ten conference schedule. They still couldn't do it. And it wasn't like some of the staples in their conference schedule were top-shelf.

It's easy to go bowling as a major. Hit 6 wins, and you're set. But...get to six wins. With this year's club...I wouldn't be surprised if he got seven or eight wins before bowl season. And the west is so bad an/or untested, Iowa could be in the running for that side of the conference.

(09-16-2014 02:28 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(09-16-2014 02:15 PM)stever20 Wrote:  You do realize how pathetically easy it is to go bowling.

Except it really isn't. Ask Indiana over the last decade...load up on fluff in the non-conference, heck, go 4-0 in the non-conference, and then brace up for the Big Ten conference schedule. They still couldn't do it. And it wasn't like some of the staples in their conference schedule were top-shelf.

It's easy to go bowling as a major. Hit 6 wins, and you're set. But...get to six wins. With this year's club...I wouldn't be surprised if he got seven or eight wins before bowl season. And the west is so bad an/or untested, Iowa could be in the running for that side of the conference.

That's all well and good, but is the school getting a good return on their investment paying Ferentz $4 million+ a year to just go bowling?

(09-16-2014 02:13 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(09-16-2014 02:05 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-16-2014 01:47 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Could all these losing coaches with long term contracts, hence huge buyout payments, cause a trend of shorter contracts? Because right now College Coach are, being reward with huge settlements for being failures at their jobs!

It's possible, but the AD that starts the trend is going to have to be someone with a huge set of nads and better have a good explanation and needs to getsaid explanation out there early and often because everybody they recruit against is going to use it against them.

Depending on how programs take to committed scholarships, that's your patsy right there. The way the B1G presented their slant, it sounded like the schools took a deeper commitment or responsibility in the recruitment process. So, if the success isn't where it should be, you can passive-aggressively punt canning some of these guys at the kind of kids he was bringing in and use that nice little language about different directions and priorities and whatnot.

But say you go with the shorter contract length. How do you combat when other schools tell the kids you are recruiting "Are you sure that Coach X is going to be there? They signed him to such a short deal, the only reason for that I can see is to make it cheaper to get rid of him if they want to." Recruiting is the primary reason you hear about these contract extensions where there is no real change in the contract, just taking additional years on the deal. South Carolina did that with Lou Holtz the year before he resigned. It was like a four year extension with no change in terms. They were getting their clocks cleaned on the recruiting trail by other schools pointing out that Lou was old and wouldn't be there much longer so they had to act.

(09-16-2014 02:38 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-16-2014 02:28 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(09-16-2014 02:15 PM)stever20 Wrote:  You do realize how pathetically easy it is to go bowling.

Except it really isn't. Ask Indiana over the last decade...load up on fluff in the non-conference, heck, go 4-0 in the non-conference, and then brace up for the Big Ten conference schedule. They still couldn't do it. And it wasn't like some of the staples in their conference schedule were top-shelf.

It's easy to go bowling as a major. Hit 6 wins, and you're set. But...get to six wins. With this year's club...I wouldn't be surprised if he got seven or eight wins before bowl season. And the west is so bad an/or untested, Iowa could be in the running for that side of the conference.

That's all well and good, but is the school getting a good return on their investment paying Ferentz $4 million+ a year to just go bowling?

No, because it will cost them money from donors.