(01-09-2014 03:56 PM)niusfactuary Wrote:  

(01-09-2014 03:49 PM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  

(01-09-2014 03:45 PM)niusfactuary Wrote:  

(01-09-2014 03:42 PM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  

(01-09-2014 03:36 PM)niusfactuary Wrote:  The 5 most experienced teams this year according to Phil Steele won on average 1 more game than they won the previous year.

EXPERIENCE!

MY ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE IS MORE ACCURATE THAN FACTS!

ftfy

Fact: NIU was more experienced in 2010 than 2009, they won more games

Go prove to facts with me that all Freshman teams win conference titles, go prove to me that teams that are have more upper classman are worse.

You think you have proof in the numbers, but you don't.

does anyone in the conference have an all freshman team or an all senior team?

OK then.

By your logic, they should. Since experience doesn't matter you should just shuffle in Freshman who are better than the current players.

Again, my "anecdotes" have proven themselves. Your "facts" only said that last year, teams got better by an average of 1 win with more experience. That's a 8% improvement that every team should just wipe out, because it doesn't matter.

Going 6-7 and 7-6 as Freshman and sophomore surely couldn't lead to going 11-3 in back to back years as Juniors and Seniors....Oh Wait.

(01-09-2014 03:36 PM)niusfactuary Wrote:  

(01-09-2014 03:34 PM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  

(01-09-2014 03:25 PM)niusfactuary Wrote:  On average, every team signs 20-25 people and 20-25 people move on from the team at the end of the year, seems like everyone should have pretty much the same experience level.

That's the dumbest thing I've heard in quite some time.

Not everyone starts or gets the same amount of reps.

For example, WMU's Freshman have a lot more game reps and college football experience than NIU's. Does that mean they will be better, no, but does it matter, yes.

That's like saying everyone that goes to work after college and starts the same day as another person at the same job will have the same experiences as the other person. Different coaches (bosses), different roles (projects), etc.

The 5 most experienced teams this year according to Phil Steele won on average 1 more game than they won the previous year.

EXPERIENCE!

Which teams are those and what were their records last year and this year?

(01-09-2014 04:03 PM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  

(01-09-2014 03:56 PM)niusfactuary Wrote:  

(01-09-2014 03:49 PM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  

(01-09-2014 03:45 PM)niusfactuary Wrote:  

(01-09-2014 03:42 PM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  MY ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE IS MORE ACCURATE THAN FACTS!

ftfy

Fact: NIU was more experienced in 2010 than 2009, they won more games

Go prove to facts with me that all Freshman teams win conference titles, go prove to me that teams that are have more upper classman are worse.

You think you have proof in the numbers, but you don't.

does anyone in the conference have an all freshman team or an all senior team?

OK then.

By your logic, they should. Since experience doesn't matter you should just shuffle in Freshman who are better than the current players.

Again, my "anecdotes" have proven themselves. Your "facts" only said that last year, teams got better by an average of 1 win with more experience. That's a 8% improvement that every team should just wipe out, because it doesn't matter.

Going 6-7 and 7-6 as Freshman and sophomore surely couldn't lead to going 11-3 in back to back years as Juniors and Seniors....Oh Wait.

Well I'm glad BG stuck with their senior QB. There's no way a sophomore QB could lead a team to a MAC championship.

OH WAIT.

(01-09-2014 04:08 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(01-09-2014 03:36 PM)niusfactuary Wrote:  

(01-09-2014 03:34 PM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  

(01-09-2014 03:25 PM)niusfactuary Wrote:  On average, every team signs 20-25 people and 20-25 people move on from the team at the end of the year, seems like everyone should have pretty much the same experience level.

That's the dumbest thing I've heard in quite some time.

Not everyone starts or gets the same amount of reps.

For example, WMU's Freshman have a lot more game reps and college football experience than NIU's. Does that mean they will be better, no, but does it matter, yes.

That's like saying everyone that goes to work after college and starts the same day as another person at the same job will have the same experiences as the other person. Different coaches (bosses), different roles (projects), etc.

The 5 most experienced teams this year according to Phil Steele won on average 1 more game than they won the previous year.

EXPERIENCE!

Which teams are those and what were their records last year and this year?

Here's the link to the espn article.

http://insider.espn.go.com/college-footb...e-football

Team 2012 W 2012 L 2013 W 2013 L
Texas 9 4 8 5
Rice 7 6 10 4
Washington 7 6 9 4
Indiana 4 8 5 7
Miami 7 5 9 4
34 29 41 24

The formatting is probably terrible. My apologies.

(01-09-2014 04:12 PM)niusfactuary Wrote:  

(01-09-2014 04:08 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(01-09-2014 03:36 PM)niusfactuary Wrote:  

(01-09-2014 03:34 PM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  

(01-09-2014 03:25 PM)niusfactuary Wrote:  On average, every team signs 20-25 people and 20-25 people move on from the team at the end of the year, seems like everyone should have pretty much the same experience level.

That's the dumbest thing I've heard in quite some time.

Not everyone starts or gets the same amount of reps.

For example, WMU's Freshman have a lot more game reps and college football experience than NIU's. Does that mean they will be better, no, but does it matter, yes.

That's like saying everyone that goes to work after college and starts the same day as another person at the same job will have the same experiences as the other person. Different coaches (bosses), different roles (projects), etc.

The 5 most experienced teams this year according to Phil Steele won on average 1 more game than they won the previous year.

EXPERIENCE!

Which teams are those and what were their records last year and this year?

Here's the link to the espn article.

http://insider.espn.go.com/college-footb...e-football

Team 2012 W 2012 L 2013 W 2013 L
Texas 9 4 8 5
Rice 7 6 10 4
Washington 7 6 9 4
Indiana 4 8 5 7
Miami 7 5 9 4
34 29 41 24

The formatting is probably terrible. My apologies.

I think you could argue that some teams in the MAC West would be losing experience, so they could be one game worse. Combined, that's a 2-game swing that could put CMU ahead of a couple other teams that they finished behind last year - since we're talking averages here.

(01-09-2014 04:12 PM)niusfactuary Wrote:  

(01-09-2014 04:08 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(01-09-2014 03:36 PM)niusfactuary Wrote:  

(01-09-2014 03:34 PM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  

(01-09-2014 03:25 PM)niusfactuary Wrote:  On average, every team signs 20-25 people and 20-25 people move on from the team at the end of the year, seems like everyone should have pretty much the same experience level.

That's the dumbest thing I've heard in quite some time.

Not everyone starts or gets the same amount of reps.

For example, WMU's Freshman have a lot more game reps and college football experience than NIU's. Does that mean they will be better, no, but does it matter, yes.

That's like saying everyone that goes to work after college and starts the same day as another person at the same job will have the same experiences as the other person. Different coaches (bosses), different roles (projects), etc.

The 5 most experienced teams this year according to Phil Steele won on average 1 more game than they won the previous year.

EXPERIENCE!

Which teams are those and what were their records last year and this year?

Here's the link to the espn article.

http://insider.espn.go.com/college-footb...e-football

Team 2012 W 2012 L 2013 W 2013 L
Texas 9 4 8 5
Rice 7 6 10 4
Washington 7 6 9 4
Indiana 4 8 5 7
Miami 7 5 9 4
34 29 41 24

The formatting is probably terrible. My apologies.

In my opinion, all of those teams were significantly better outside of Texas. IU's offense was much better, Rice was a conference contender, UW hit a wall towards the end and the U was just overall better.

Texas was worse in non-conference but they were much better in conference in 2013 vs. 2012.

As for BG, they got to the title game because their D was experienced and the QB was an upgrade. So you proved that QB experience didn't matter there. But why was BG better in 2013 than 2010, because 17 of the 22 defensive players 1-2 on the depth chart had been in those spots since 2011.

Experience makes teams better, that's all my argument was at the beginning. I didn't say CMU was world beaters, but I said they would progress. Evidence is against you in more times than not that the more experienced (ie starts and playing time) a team is the better they are, especially at the MAC level.

Total experience probably doesn't tell the whole story since an overall more experienced team could be moving from a 4-year starter at QB to a freshman with little experience, and get worse, since QB is such an important position.

Also, CMU's record is on an upward trend, I think they are getting better.

(01-09-2014 04:20 PM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  

(01-09-2014 04:12 PM)niusfactuary Wrote:  

(01-09-2014 04:08 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(01-09-2014 03:36 PM)niusfactuary Wrote:  

(01-09-2014 03:34 PM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  That's the dumbest thing I've heard in quite some time.

Not everyone starts or gets the same amount of reps.

For example, WMU's Freshman have a lot more game reps and college football experience than NIU's. Does that mean they will be better, no, but does it matter, yes.

That's like saying everyone that goes to work after college and starts the same day as another person at the same job will have the same experiences as the other person. Different coaches (bosses), different roles (projects), etc.

The 5 most experienced teams this year according to Phil Steele won on average 1 more game than they won the previous year.

EXPERIENCE!

Which teams are those and what were their records last year and this year?

Here's the link to the espn article.

http://insider.espn.go.com/college-footb...e-football

Team 2012 W 2012 L 2013 W 2013 L
Texas 9 4 8 5
Rice 7 6 10 4
Washington 7 6 9 4
Indiana 4 8 5 7
Miami 7 5 9 4
34 29 41 24

The formatting is probably terrible. My apologies.

In my opinion, all of those teams were significantly better outside of Texas. IU's offense was much better, Rice was a conference contender, UW hit a wall towards the end and the U was just overall better.

Texas was worse in non-conference but they were much better in conference in 2013 vs. 2012.

As for BG, they got to the title game because their D was experienced and the QB was an upgrade. So you proved that QB experience didn't matter there. But why was BG better in 2013 than 2010, because 17 of the 22 defensive players 1-2 on the depth chart had been in those spots since 2011.

Experience makes teams better, that's all my argument was at the beginning. I didn't say CMU was world beaters, but I said they would progress. Evidence is against you in more times than not that the more experienced (ie starts and playing time) a team is the better they are, especially at the MAC level.

And I've just shown that in many instances, experience isn't really a big deal. Florida St. just had a ton of people drafted last year, most of any school. Didn't stop them from winning a national championship.

Is more experience better? Maybe, but even if it, it's not the gigantic advantage you make it out to be. Will CMU finish 4th in the division this year? It'd be more realistic than them finishing 1st, or even second.