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(01-07-2014 12:56 PM)BIgCatonProwl Wrote:  Gruden does not want to be kissing 18 years old behinds, can't say I blame him. Mccombs thought he could run roughshod over the new AD Patterson, found out different.

Don't ever under estimate the stroke McCombs has at UT. Patterson may be the one that finds out different.

Mccombs is not the only one with stroke, Jamail has gobs of money just like him, and great influence. Patterson will hold his own, not the 1st time his dealt with multi-millionaires and their egos.

Patterson's resume is not all that impressive. In fact I am surprised Texas hired him.

GM of the Houston Rockets, Portland Trail Blazers, Houston Aeros, VP of the Houston Texans, AD at Arizona St.

What would you add? Once he was mentioned early on by Texas monthly, I figured it was a 3 way race-Luck, Patterson, Jurich.

I don't think he handled Red well, but I can't fault his resume.
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(01-08-2014 01:17 PM)bullet Wrote:  I don't think he handled Red well...

Based on what Red said in that article, I'd give the AD a raise. When guys like him are on the losing end of anything, the world is a better place for it.

It's a shame people expect guys like Strong to be the better person on something like this. That "eeny-meeny" comment, added with including himself as an equal in the decision-making process? If the University didn't just mail out an extra check, I'd probably threaten the school. Nobody should have to deal with that, and it's on the school to mightily respond to that guy, no matter how deep his money runs at Austin.
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(01-08-2014 01:08 PM)panama Wrote:  
(01-08-2014 12:08 PM)westwolf Wrote:  
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(01-08-2014 10:22 AM)BIgCatonProwl Wrote:  He's a old fart...blowing off steam. Once Strong wins a NC he'll be all over him like jelly on peanut butter...nice and sweet

Bold prediction!

For his sake I hope he wins one, I'm pulling for him..
Red thinks Charlie lacks the necessities.

Jimmy The Greek

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Actually it was Al Campanis, that said blacks weren't intelligent enough to be Baseball Managers, lacked the necessities...Jimmy said something about black athletes are good or better because of the mating or breeding practices in slavery, comparing it to horse breeding. both got canned for their statements .
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RE: Texas Booster Angry Over Strong
(01-08-2014 09:05 AM)Underdog Wrote:  
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(01-07-2014 03:26 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Texas's AD introduces McCombs to Charlie Strong:



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These are perfect analogies for Red's reaction. Although the second should say Gruden, not Harbaugh. But it says it all, in a nutshell.

Frankly though, I'm of the opinion that Charlie Strong will do fine at Texas. He's planning to use Mack Brown as a resource, it seems, which will definitely help out considerably early on. Once he reaches the level of success expected at Texas, he'll be fine. Everything will settle out.
...not only Red's reaction, but his other big time booster buddies as well. Because of Red's reaction (and probably those of his big booster buddies), doing just "fine" will get Strong fired. If UT doesn't make it to the playoffs by his second or third year, he's done.....

Btw... Thanks for the videos CliftonAve and panama. Panama, did you edit that video yourself? Good work…. I wish you had allowed Strong to go up to the stage and then show when guns are aimed at him because a big time booster already took shots at him and more will likely take aim as well....
By just fine, I meant Strong would have Texas back to challenging for national titles annually. With the resources available at Texas, he should have no trouble there. Texas can almost pick and choose among yearly recruits, and Strong will be able to assemble a very good team in no time flat. If that gets him fired, then Longhorns are stupid as well as prejudiced.
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RE: Texas Booster Angry Over Strong
(01-08-2014 01:17 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-08-2014 10:59 AM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
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(01-07-2014 12:56 PM)BIgCatonProwl Wrote:  Gruden does not want to be kissing 18 years old behinds, can't say I blame him. Mccombs thought he could run roughshod over the new AD Patterson, found out different.

Don't ever under estimate the stroke McCombs has at UT. Patterson may be the one that finds out different.

Mccombs is not the only one with stroke, Jamail has gobs of money just like him, and great influence. Patterson will hold his own, not the 1st time his dealt with multi-millionaires and their egos.

Patterson's resume is not all that impressive. In fact I am surprised Texas hired him.

GM of the Houston Rockets, Portland Trail Blazers, Houston Aeros, VP of the Houston Texans, AD at Arizona St.

What would you add? Once he was mentioned early on by Texas monthly, I figured it was a 3 way race-Luck, Patterson, Jurich.

I don't think he handled Red well, but I can't fault his resume.

My point was not the positions he has held, but how successful at each position.
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RE: Texas Booster Angry Over Strong
(01-08-2014 02:31 PM)BIgCatonProwl Wrote:  
(01-08-2014 01:08 PM)panama Wrote:  
(01-08-2014 12:08 PM)westwolf Wrote:  
(01-08-2014 11:25 AM)BIgCatonProwl Wrote:  
(01-08-2014 10:24 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Bold prediction!

For his sake I hope he wins one, I'm pulling for him..
Red thinks Charlie lacks the necessities.

Jimmy The Greek

LOL

Actually it was Al Campanis, that said blacks weren't intelligent enough to be Baseball Managers, lacked the necessities...Jimmy said something about black athletes are good or better because of the mating or breeding practices in slavery, comparing it to horse breeding. both got canned for their statements .
and lacked buoyancy...

Staggering that both those events took place within months of each other.

Always wished Irv Cross had a chance to smack the Greek twice, put on his overcoat and walk out into the NYC winter John Shaft style.
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(01-08-2014 03:24 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(01-08-2014 01:17 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-08-2014 10:59 AM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(01-07-2014 02:41 PM)BIgCatonProwl Wrote:  
(01-07-2014 02:18 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  Don't ever under estimate the stroke McCombs has at UT. Patterson may be the one that finds out different.

Mccombs is not the only one with stroke, Jamail has gobs of money just like him, and great influence. Patterson will hold his own, not the 1st time his dealt with multi-millionaires and their egos.

Patterson's resume is not all that impressive. In fact I am surprised Texas hired him.

GM of the Houston Rockets, Portland Trail Blazers, Houston Aeros, VP of the Houston Texans, AD at Arizona St.

What would you add? Once he was mentioned early on by Texas monthly, I figured it was a 3 way race-Luck, Patterson, Jurich.

I don't think he handled Red well, but I can't fault his resume.

My point was not the positions he has held, but how successful at each position.

He hired Rudy T and built the Rockets back-to-back championship roster, leaving just before. The Texans came out of the gate very well for an expansion franchise. The Aeros were successful for a minor league operation in Houston. Arizona St. is hard to judge, but they did pretty well this year. Don't know much about the Trailblazers during his tenure.
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Interesting responses from another board about the topic (especially post #173):

http://www.shaggybevo.com/board/showthre...read/page4
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(01-08-2014 02:52 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  
(01-08-2014 09:05 AM)Underdog Wrote:  
(01-07-2014 05:22 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  
(01-07-2014 04:58 PM)panama Wrote:  
(01-07-2014 03:26 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Texas's AD introduces McCombs to Charlie Strong:



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These are perfect analogies for Red's reaction. Although the second should say Gruden, not Harbaugh. But it says it all, in a nutshell.

Frankly though, I'm of the opinion that Charlie Strong will do fine at Texas. He's planning to use Mack Brown as a resource, it seems, which will definitely help out considerably early on. Once he reaches the level of success expected at Texas, he'll be fine. Everything will settle out.
...not only Red's reaction, but his other big time booster buddies as well. Because of Red's reaction (and probably those of his big booster buddies), doing just "fine" will get Strong fired. If UT doesn't make it to the playoffs by his second or third year, he's done.....

Btw... Thanks for the videos CliftonAve and panama. Panama, did you edit that video yourself? Good work…. I wish you had allowed Strong to go up to the stage and then show when guns are aimed at him because a big time booster already took shots at him and more will likely take aim as well....

By just fine, I meant Strong would have Texas back to challenging for national titles annually. With the resources available at Texas, he should have no trouble there. Texas can almost pick and choose among yearly recruits, and Strong will be able to assemble a very good team in no time flat. If that gets him fired, then Longhorns are stupid as well as prejudiced.

Bit... I think Baylor, OU, and OSU will seriously impede his chances of "challenging for national titles annually." Consequently, the odds aren't good for him accomplishing the level of success that you’ve suggested; especially after the way UT played. Nevertheless, I hope you're right for his sake. Moreover, thank you for clarifying your point regarding a very sensitive topic….
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Strong responded and referred to McCombs, not specifically, as "people."

You think getting lumped in with the average fan has McCombs in a tizzy?
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(01-09-2014 11:28 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Strong responded and referred to McCombs, not specifically, as "people."

You think getting lumped in with the average fan has McCombs in a tizzy?
I really don't care. But I don't depend on his good will.
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McCombs apologizes for Strong comments
Posted on January 9, 2014 | BY MIKE FINGER

SAN ANTONIO — Billionaire booster Red McCombs apologized Thursday for critical comments he made about new Texas football coach Charlie Strong, and said he told Strong he has his “total support.”

In an interview in his office near downtown, McCombs said he spoke with Strong via telephone on Thursday to clear the air. Earlier this week, McCombs told ESPN 1250 that Strong’s hiring at UT was “a kick in the face” and suggested that the coach would “make a great position coach, maybe a coordinator.”

Thursday, McCombs said he apologized to Strong and “to anyone that might have been offended by anything I said or did.”

“My interest is in Longhorn athletics, and in the University of Texas,” said McCombs, who’s donated more than $100 million to the school. “My interest was to see that we hire one of the best three coaches in the United States.”

McCombs said he regretted making the “kick in the face” and the “position coach” statements, saying he didn’t intend either to be a personal criticism of Strong. He said Strong told him during their phone conversation that an apology wasn’t necessary.

“He wanted my help and my support,” McCombs said. “I told him I’d be happy to do it.”

McCombs said he was bothered by the perception that his comments about Strong — who is black — were based on race. He said John Lucas, who McCombs hired as a head coach when he owned the Spurs, called him this week and said “a lot of people are saying ugly things” and offered to speak up for him.

McCombs said he told Lucas that wasn’t necessary.

“I’m not sure I knew anything about the race issue until it was broadcast like that,” McCombs said. “I didn’t even think about that.”
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He wouldn't have said it if he didn't mean it.

He's giving the obligatory apology but its too late.
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His apology means very little. It will make a big difference if other boosters feel the same way, and w/o success in the next year or so, affect the money coming in. Strong may still have an out if UF needs a coach after next year.
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UF probably wouldn't pay Him the same as He's making at Texas. I think He will be there in Texas at least the length of His contract. He won't get the same Heat His first 2 years as say Urban Meyer would have if not winning more than 8 games a season at Texas.
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(01-09-2014 06:09 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  He wouldn't have said it if he didn't mean it.

He's giving the obligatory apology but its too late.

We all have said (and posted) things that we didn’t mean.... Maybe not on the level of what McCombs did, but that doesn’t justify our misspoken words. I’ve had to apologize several times to members on this board because of posts that were interpreted as insults, although I didn’t intend them to be. If you click on my reputation number and scroll down, you’ll see a negative rep that calls me an “anti catholic bigot.” I sent the member a pm and apologized to him. It took not only his response, but those of other members to make me realize the wrong that I had done. Consequently, it’s never too late to apologize (unless you’re 6 feet under) if you sincerely mean it.

Therefore, McCombs’ apology wasn’t too late if he sincerely meant it. In fact, what happened might work in Strong’s favor because other big time boosters and important people affiliated with UT will remember the public backlash that the mighty McCombs has experienced and will think twice before making any questionable comments publicly regarding Strong as a coach. Moreover, if Strong starts slowly his first few years (which will likely occur with Baylor, OU, and OSU on his schedule), the McCombs incident may help prevent UT from firing him prematurely.

With that said, I hope this humbling experience has made McCombs a Strong-er person……
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(01-10-2014 09:02 AM)Underdog Wrote:  
(01-09-2014 06:09 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  He wouldn't have said it if he didn't mean it.

He's giving the obligatory apology but its too late.

We all have said (and posted) things that we didn’t mean.... Maybe not on the level of what McCombs did, but that doesn’t justify our misspoken words. I’ve had to apologize several times to members on this board because of posts that were interpreted as insults, although I didn’t intend them to be. If you click on my reputation number and scroll down, you’ll see a negative rep that calls me an “anti catholic bigot.” I sent the member a pm and apologized to him. It took not only his response, but those of other members to make me realize the wrong that I had done. Consequently, it’s never too late to apologize (unless you’re 6 feet under) if you sincerely mean it.

Therefore, McCombs’ apology wasn’t too late if he sincerely meant it. In fact, what happened might work in Strong’s favor because other big time boosters and important people affiliated with UT will remember the public backlash that the mighty McCombs has experienced and will think twice before making any questionable comments publicly regarding Strong as a coach. Moreover, if Strong starts slowly his first few years (which will likely occur with Baylor, OU, and OSU on his schedule), the McCombs incident may help prevent UT from firing him prematurely.

With that said, I hope this humbling experience has made McCombs a Strong-er person……

I'm drawing a distinction between what's said in the heat of the moment and something said as part of an interview.

The apology is fine but the lasting impact is a wedge, as of now, between the two. It's the way it is in any organization.
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(01-10-2014 10:22 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(01-10-2014 09:02 AM)Underdog Wrote:  
(01-09-2014 06:09 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  He wouldn't have said it if he didn't mean it.

He's giving the obligatory apology but its too late.

We all have said (and posted) things that we didn’t mean.... Maybe not on the level of what McCombs did, but that doesn’t justify our misspoken words. I’ve had to apologize several times to members on this board because of posts that were interpreted as insults, although I didn’t intend them to be. If you click on my reputation number and scroll down, you’ll see a negative rep that calls me an “anti catholic bigot.” I sent the member a pm and apologized to him. It took not only his response, but those of other members to make me realize the wrong that I had done. Consequently, it’s never too late to apologize (unless you’re 6 feet under) if you sincerely mean it.

Therefore, McCombs’ apology wasn’t too late if he sincerely meant it. In fact, what happened might work in Strong’s favor because other big time boosters and important people affiliated with UT will remember the public backlash that the mighty McCombs has experienced and will think twice before making any questionable comments publicly regarding Strong as a coach. Moreover, if Strong starts slowly his first few years (which will likely occur with Baylor, OU, and OSU on his schedule), the McCombs incident may help prevent UT from firing him prematurely.

With that said, I hope this humbling experience has made McCombs a Strong-er person……

The apology is fine but the lasting impact is a wedge, as of now, between the two. It's the way it is in any organization.

Only Strong and McCombs know if there is a wedge between the two.... Strong appears to be a "forgiving" man and McCombs is "for giving" ($$$). If one continues to forgive and the other gives, there is no wedge within the organization…..
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(01-10-2014 08:14 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  UF probably wouldn't pay Him the same as He's making at Texas. I think He will be there in Texas at least the length of His contract. He won't get the same Heat His first 2 years as say Urban Meyer would have if not winning more than 8 games a season at Texas.

I believe his heart lies in Florida. It will depend on wins at UT, but will also depend on how the UT alumni and Strong get along.
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