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G5 Stance on Non-Qualifiers
Does the MAC allow them? I know the AAC and MWC don't and CUSA and SBC allow them.
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RE: G5 Stance on Non-Qualifiers
Non Qualifiers?
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RE: G5 Stance on Non-Qualifiers
(01-07-2014 11:53 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  Non Qualifiers?

Yeah, not familiar with the term? In a nutshell, an athlete that doesn't meet NCAA minimum qualification can get a waiver to play provided he attend the school on his own dime the previous year and "made the grades" necessary to qualify.

http://voices.yahoo.com/options-ncaa-div...36355.html
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RE: G5 Stance on Non-Qualifiers
Most SBC Schools do not anymore.
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RE: G5 Stance on Non-Qualifiers
(01-07-2014 12:24 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(01-07-2014 11:53 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  Non Qualifiers?

Yeah, not familiar with the term? In a nutshell, an athlete that doesn't meet NCAA minimum qualification can get a waiver to play provided he attend the school on his own dime the previous year and "made the grades" necessary to qualify.

http://voices.yahoo.com/options-ncaa-div...36355.html

A gray-shirt?
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(01-07-2014 10:46 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Does the MAC allow them? I know the AAC and MWC don't and CUSA and SBC allow them.

Pretty sure we do take them, certain schools do not have a history of taking them like Miami.
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RE: G5 Stance on Non-Qualifiers
(01-07-2014 12:24 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(01-07-2014 11:53 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  Non Qualifiers?

Yeah, not familiar with the term? In a nutshell, an athlete that doesn't meet NCAA minimum qualification can get a waiver to play provided he attend the school on his own dime the previous year and "made the grades" necessary to qualify.

http://voices.yahoo.com/options-ncaa-div...36355.html

I figured it was something like that...

I don't like the idea of taking them.
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RE: G5 Stance on Non-Qualifiers
I figured the MAC might have moved on from taking NQ's after the "Marshall experience." Their program relies on them a lot.
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Blunderbuss, your obsession with Marshall football, while flattering, is borderline unhealthy.

Maybe you should take a break and get some of that crisp Alberta air to help clear your mind.

Just a thought.
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(01-07-2014 03:09 PM)mufanatehc Wrote:  Blunderbuss, your obsession with Marshall football, while flattering, is borderline unhealthy.

Maybe you should take a break and get some of that crisp Alberta air to help clear your mind.

Just a thought.

Nowhere in that post did you say he was wrong..
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The MAC allows them. Most that I've seen in the MAC were able to keep their grades high and earn an extra year of eligibility back.

If you have the support system in place, I see nothing wrong with giving these kids a chance. Many make the most out of it. Disallowing non-qualifiers after they've put in the work to get their academics in order goes against the spirit of the NCAA, giving athletic scholarships to kids who might otherwise not be able to afford to go to college, provided they meet certain academic standards.
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I believe that in the MAC, each school and HC has their own policies on this.
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(01-07-2014 05:28 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  The MAC allows them. Most that I've seen in the MAC were able to keep their grades high and earn an extra year of eligibility back.

If you have the support system in place, I see nothing wrong with giving these kids a chance. Many make the most out of it. Disallowing non-qualifiers after they've put in the work to get their academics in order goes against the spirit of the NCAA, giving athletic scholarships to kids who might otherwise not be able to afford to go to college, provided they meet certain academic standards.

I agree. The athlete "may not practice with the team, compete, or receive athletics financial aid in the first year of attendance." Once he has earned his grades and meets the NCAA eligibility requirements he can qualify for a scholarship. I see nothing negative in that scenario.

Plus, if a school accepts JC or prep school transfers, as most do, then that school is most likely accepting a non-qualifier who has taken a different route to a D-1 scholarship.
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(01-07-2014 02:31 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  I figured the MAC might have moved on from taking NQ's after the "Marshall experience." Their program relies on them a lot.


Wow...what is your obsession with Marshall BlunderPuss? Seriously? Is it because we kicked your teeth in to win the east division?

Does Marshall take in some non-qualifiers ?....sometimes yes. Some years we do, some years we don't. Most of them never see the field. I'm happy that Marshall is willing to give a kid the opportunity to attend college. Whats wrong with that? If they do not get their grades up, they don't play. Simple as that. If they do get their grades up they can participate and are no longer non qualifiers. Sometimes kids have borderline grades and sitting out a season "wakes them up" in that they realize that if they want to play ball they have to get their grades up. ECU regularly takes non qualifiers. Don't believe me?.....


Alffy Hill...non qualifier. Enrolls at ECU.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/co...0582_x.htm

Marty Williams....non qualifer. Enrolls at ECU
http://www.goupstate.com/article/2012073.../120739944

How about Justin Dixon? Another non qualifier that just finished up playing at ECU?:
http://www.highschoolot.com/content/blogpost/5858033/




Anyone want to bet that BlunderPuss doesn't respond to this post?....


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(01-07-2014 05:00 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  
(01-07-2014 03:09 PM)mufanatehc Wrote:  Blunderbuss, your obsession with Marshall football, while flattering, is borderline unhealthy.

Maybe you should take a break and get some of that crisp Alberta air to help clear your mind.

Just a thought.

Nowhere in that post did you say he was wrong..

He's been on this since we blew them out. You can only argue against it so much before the whole thing becomes trite.

The sad thing is that its kind of blossomed amongst ECU fans in what seems to be a coping measure as for why they lost to us this year, despite the fact that all of our impact players were standard recruits or walkons with the exception of our second string RB.
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All "water over the dam" now, but back when Marshall was in the MAC this was a hot topic due to their frequent use of non-qualifiers (isn't there a two year junior college right in H-Ton where some of these players were initially placed). Due to this, there was friction among MAC institutions...Miami does not recruit non-qualifiers and I know that this situation bothered our administration. To the extent that the use of non-qualifiers by other MAC institutions caused discord, I am not certain.

The friction between Miami and Marshall administration over this issue must be a non-factor now as the two universities have agreed to play each other again as a part of our non-conference schedule.
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(01-07-2014 05:28 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  The MAC allows them. Most that I've seen in the MAC were able to keep their grades high and earn an extra year of eligibility back.

If you have the support system in place, I see nothing wrong with giving these kids a chance. Many make the most out of it. Disallowing non-qualifiers after they've put in the work to get their academics in order goes against the spirit of the NCAA, giving athletic scholarships to kids who might otherwise not be able to afford to go to college, provided they meet certain academic standards.
Agree with this. UMass and the A10 takes them as well.
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The issue at Marshall was not that they took props, but that it was discovered they were being illegally overpaid for make-work jobs (Props with Mops).
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Axeme: Yes, but in addition there was also some underlying dissatisfaction among some member school's administrations (like mineat Miami) about the degree to which props were being recruited and stockpiled by some member schools, most notably Marshall and I believe Toledo to some degree.
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(01-08-2014 11:38 AM)axeme Wrote:  The issue at Marshall was not that they took props, but that it was discovered they were being illegally overpaid for make-work jobs (Props with Mops).

That is correct. It was discovered that a booster was employing some props and had been paying them more than what the going rate was for regular full-time employees at that facility doing the same job. According to the booster, he said that he thought he should be able to pay more per hour for that service considering they were "seasonal employees" and was not having to provide full benefits like the full time employees.
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