If they fired Gailey they have to fire Johnson.

(12-30-2013 06:23 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(12-30-2013 06:18 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  That play call is why PJ should be fired.

Who do you have in your cubbard who could go to GT with all the restrictions and out-recruit the SEC and ACC powers, beat Clemson, beat UGAg, beat VT, beat FSU, and beat Miami?

I only have maybe 3 candidates, and NONE are obvious homeruns. So I'd love to know who you have in mind.

Obvious homerun who can do that: Christopher McComas

BOOM! NEXT!

(12-31-2013 03:44 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  Obvious homerun who can do that: Christopher McComas

BOOM! NEXT!

McComas is clearly overqualified and will be hired to replace Belichick.

My candidates are Ken Whisenhunt, James Franklin, George O'Leary (with Ralph Friedgen), and George Godsey. I really don't have much else in the cubbard other than that.

(12-30-2013 06:29 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-30-2013 06:21 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(12-30-2013 06:10 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  You're missing my point. I watch the games. There's not that much difference the talent levels (unless it's Clemson, FSU, most years UGA) Teams have figured out the schemes and how to prepare for it.

This is year #6 so at this point there should be some upward trajectory.

Not much difference????? Our OL routinely gets blown the hell up! Attaouchu and Gotsis are the only people who ever get a consistent pass rush. There is nobody on the roster capable of being a consistent passer even on slants and midrange garbage. Despite having twice as many running backs as a typical roster, Godhigh (a WALK ON) is the only guy who could see significant playing time on just about any other ACC roster. The disparity is staggering!

Your line gets blown up because the defense knows the schemes. It's the triple option. You have a month to prepare for it that's what's going to happen.

Wait, Auburn runs the triple option, you think FSU is going to somehow slow it down just because they have a month to prepare? (I think the game will be a shootout) The caliber of athletes matter. No tall WR would ever choose Tech with CPJ at the helm because they know they will never see the ball. The GT O-Line gets blown up on every down and the QB's are inconsistent with the deep ball.

Few are aware of the asinine way the Univ System of GA is organized but until recently, the only places you could get an public Engineering degree in the state was at GT, and Southern Poly. The work-around for this arrangement was the Regents Transfer Program, which is essentially at 3-2 program that would allow you to end up with 2 degrees, one from the Physical Science Program at an in-state school (Chem, Math, Physics etc) and an Engineering Degree from GT.

This arrangement worked out well for a while, especially since it allowed people to miss taking those classes with 50-150 students in them (like Freshmen Calc). Then Tech messed around and got admitted into the AAU. Suddenly, it because imperative the UGA get an engineering program, even though there is a world class engineering program 1.5 hours down the road. Understand, UGA students were also eligible for the transfer program too, but the diplomas needed to say UGA on them for the folks in Athens to realize their AAU dreams.

After being granted Research Level Status (another mind-numbing decision that puts the only Research Level School in the state within 1.5 hours of each other), there is no way Ga state ever gets folded back into Tech. And since getting their own football program, I can't even see Ga State allowing Tech football players to get BA degrees while enrolled at Tech. IMO, based on the lack of investment within the athletics department towards CFB and CBB, I tend to believe The Hill purposefully wants to de-emphisize athletics and turn the school into the MIT of the south.

As for potential coaches, if GT is seriously about competing in the ACC, then I would heavily consider Randy Shannon.

IMO, Swofford needs to meet with the Ga Tech BOT and find out what's going on there - and if they are serious about competing at this level!

To be fair to Johnson, GT was VERY close to beating Georgia and Ole Miss. If he has a believable plan for fixing it, I might let him stay - but he MUST be the Bulldogs in 2014 or else (probably nothing less will fix ticket sales).

(12-31-2013 08:26 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(12-30-2013 06:29 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-30-2013 06:21 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(12-30-2013 06:10 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  You're missing my point. I watch the games. There's not that much difference the talent levels (unless it's Clemson, FSU, most years UGA) Teams have figured out the schemes and how to prepare for it.

This is year #6 so at this point there should be some upward trajectory.

Not much difference????? Our OL routinely gets blown the hell up! Attaouchu and Gotsis are the only people who ever get a consistent pass rush. There is nobody on the roster capable of being a consistent passer even on slants and midrange garbage. Despite having twice as many running backs as a typical roster, Godhigh (a WALK ON) is the only guy who could see significant playing time on just about any other ACC roster. The disparity is staggering!

Your line gets blown up because the defense knows the schemes. It's the triple option. You have a month to prepare for it that's what's going to happen.

Wait, Auburn runs the triple option, you think FSU is going to somehow slow it down just because they have a month to prepare? (I think the game will be a shootout) The caliber of athletes matter. No tall WR would ever choose Tech with CPJ at the helm because they know they will never see the ball. The GT O-Line gets blown up on every down and the QB's are inconsistent with the deep ball.

Few are aware of the asinine way the Univ System of GA is organized but until recently, the only places you could get an public Engineering degree in the state was at GT, and Southern Poly. The work-around for this arrangement was the Regents Transfer Program, which is essentially at 3-2 program that would allow you to end up with 2 degrees, one from the Physical Science Program at an in-state school (Chem, Math, Physics etc) and an Engineering Degree from GT.

This arrangement worked out well for a while, especially since it allowed people to miss taking those classes with 50-150 students in them (like Freshmen Calc). Then Tech messed around and got admitted into the AAU. Suddenly, it because imperative the UGA get an engineering program, even though there is a world class engineering program 1.5 hours down the road. Understand, UGA students were also eligible for the transfer program too, but the diplomas needed to say UGA on them for the folks in Athens to realize their AAU dreams.

After being granted Research Level Status (another mind-numbing decision that puts the only Research Level School in the state within 1.5 hours of each other), there is no way Ga state ever gets folded back into Tech. And since getting their own football program, I can't even see Ga State allowing Tech football players to get BA degrees while enrolled at Tech. IMO, based on the lack of investment within the athletics department towards CFB and CBB, I tend to believe The Hill purposefully wants to de-emphisize athletics and turn the school into the MIT of the south.

As for potential coaches, if GT is seriously about competing in the ACC, then I would heavily consider Randy Shannon.

Auburn does not run the triple option. They run more of a spread option.

It has been proven time and time again, when teams have time to prepare for Georgia Tech they are able to slow down the offense. That's why they are 1-5 under PJ in bowl games and have lost to lesser competition.

Actually no... Auburn runs the Wing T out of the spread much like Clemson does. Oregon and WVU around 2006/07 was a triple option out of the spread.

(12-30-2013 06:00 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(12-30-2013 05:53 PM)mj4life Wrote:  

(12-30-2013 05:36 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  See the academics is where I don't buy it. I see Duke making it to 10 wins. I see Stanford in BCS bowls. I see Vandy being competitive in the SEC. BC appears to be on a better trajectory than GT.

I do believe it has more to do with the style of play. Most of the better athletes that are more academically minded don't want to play the style. It's predicated on you not being prepared for it. So of course teams with bye weeks or the month to prepare in bowl season seem to have the advantage.

Both Duke & Stanford have multiple liberal arts fields for their players to major while tech basically only has a business school for most athletes to major in

This. Let me say this again to be clear ... LIBERAL ARTS DOESN'T EXIST AT GEORGIA TECH. The liberal arts school became Georgia State. And if you're cynical, the Georgia Board of Regents which is dominated by UGAg made that move to split liberal arts off into Georgia State for a reason. And just a few years ago, the GABOR gave UGAg an Engineering School. As far as I'm concerned all bets are off after that happened. GT should move to become private or bring Georgia State back in as the GT Liberal Arts College.

(12-30-2013 09:06 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-30-2013 06:00 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  ...if you're cynical, the Georgia Board of Regents which is dominated by UGAg made that move to split liberal arts off into Georgia State for a reason. And just a few years ago, the GABOR gave UGAg an Engineering School. As far as I'm concerned all bets are off after that happened. GT should move to become private or bring Georgia State back in as the GT Liberal Arts College.

BINGO, though I'd flip-flop those 2 options:
1) see if you can essentially recombine Ga State with Ga Tech, or
2) go private and then do what you want.

It just seems like UGa is trying to sabotage Ga Tech athletics through political maneuvering.

Right...just like the last time two FBS playing research universities recombined.

(12-31-2013 11:00 PM)panama Wrote:  

(12-30-2013 09:06 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-30-2013 06:00 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  ...if you're cynical, the Georgia Board of Regents which is dominated by UGAg made that move to split liberal arts off into Georgia State for a reason. And just a few years ago, the GABOR gave UGAg an Engineering School. As far as I'm concerned all bets are off after that happened. GT should move to become private or bring Georgia State back in as the GT Liberal Arts College.

BINGO, though I'd flip-flop those 2 options:
1) see if you can essentially recombine Ga State with Ga Tech, or
2) go private and then do what you want.

It just seems like UGa is trying to sabotage Ga Tech athletics through political maneuvering.

Right...just like the last time two FBS playing research universities recombined.

Well, to be fair GT is the only one of the two actually playing FBS ball.

(12-31-2013 11:11 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Well, to be fair GT is the only one of the two actually playing FBS ball.

(12-31-2013 11:11 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Well, to be fair GT is the only one of the two actually playing FBS ball.

LOL!

Georgia Southern has more FBS victories that Georgia State. Georgia Southern joins FBS *next* year.

(01-04-2014 06:26 PM)copycat Wrote:  

(12-31-2013 11:11 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Well, to be fair GT is the only one of the two actually playing FBS ball.

LOL!

Georgia Southern has more FBS victories that Georgia State. Georgia Southern joins FBS *next* year.

....and it took them 30 years to get the one. Even so I will be rooting for them against GT next year.

That's really a pretty sweet deal for Georgia State. You get a much more prestigious name on your degree and get to play football at a higher level than will ever be possible for Georgia State to do on its own.

(01-07-2014 09:15 AM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  That's really a pretty sweet deal for Georgia State. You get a much more prestigious name on your degree and get to play football at a higher level than will ever be possible for Georgia State to do on its own.

We have a ranked Business and Law schools so no help needed there. And as far as prestige associated with GT football that we could never achieve, well lets just talk about the elephant in the room. GT is its own worst enemy. GSU may have come out of GT and we may have a lot of association with them throughout the years even after independence but the similarities end there. We are talking about recombining two universities that have been apart for almost 90 years. They are also two universities that serve distinct missions and thus have differing alumni bases. The mere fact that in the last 4 years GSU has birthed a football program that has moved to FBS in a mere four years speaks to a very separate identity from GT. GT is a mere 1.5 miles away but light years away from GSU in thought and mission. Our motto is :"A part of the city not apart from the city". Georgia Tech isnt a part of the city. How many Atlanta Public School kids do they recruit? How many Dekalb County kids? This is the nations #4 recruiting ground. With their "prestige" shouldn't GT be loaded? But the reality is that GT has no connection even to the inner city neighborhoods surrounding their campus. Kids in Atlanta don't grow up wanting to play for Tech. By contrast Georgia State is the city's school. Cops and nurses and taxi drivers ask me questions about the program when they see me wearing GSU gear. Working class people have connections to GSU throughout the city. So let's just say it, GT is elitist and if you are not a Tech man or Tech woman you're not worthy. This is why they cannot fill 50k seats while Georgia has Walmart fans a plenty. I have never heard any GSU alumnus say, "we should recombine with Tech". We dont need Tech. Tech needs us. We see what our ceiling is as a mid major city school and it is high whereas Tech is tanking and fast.

Ha, If you merged Ga Tech and Ga State into one university going with the Ga tech name they could have a great football team. It would be about 38, 000 undergrad and 15,000 grad pretty much a big 10 school. Than you can rebrand Kennesaw State, Georgia State. These kind of mergers happen all the time in the private sector to cut overhead. M and A time but public sector folks don't really live in real world. I actually kind of like the idea. UGA folks would hate it + bigwigs in the admin at GTech and Gstate would hate it since they might be out of job, no need for 2 of everything. Yet, it would probably make for much better overall university who know doubt would have an outstanding athletic program.

(01-07-2014 11:43 AM)bluesox Wrote:  Ha, If you merged Ga Tech and Ga State into one university going with the Ga tech name they could have a great football team. It would be about 38, 000 undergrad and 15,000 grad pretty much a big 10 school. Than you can rebrand Kennesaw State, Georgia State. These kind of mergers happen all the time in the private sector to cut overhead. M and A time but public sector folks don't really live in real world. I actually kind of like the idea. UGA folks would hate it + bigwigs in the admin at GTech and Gstate would hate it since they might be out of job, no need for 2 of everything.

Again, we dont need GT. We have 33k students and are headed for 40k in a couple of years. We own $5.4B in downtown real estate. We have $1.5B in capital projects under way. And again, you will not find any of our 125k metro area alumni wanting to be Jackets. Tech needs to suck it up and stop producing crap football.

The GABOR gives zero ****s what you or any other GSU alumni thinks or what their asset list is.

(01-07-2014 12:00 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  The GABOR gives zero ****s what you or any other GSU alumni thinks or what their asset list is.

I am not the one bringing up ridiculous scenarios instead of firing the Tecmo Bowl offense HC and and hiring a head coach who can actually recruit the #4 recruiting ground in America.

But keep Jethro as your HC by all means. The longer you guys keep that offense the better for our recruiting.