(01-07-2014 02:07 PM)dan o Wrote:  Not if you can't make 'em

If you're not making 3's, the odds aren't much better on shots 2 feet closer.

(01-07-2014 02:10 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(01-07-2014 02:07 PM)dan o Wrote:  Not if you can't make 'em

If you're not making 3's, the odds aren't much better on shots 2 feet closer.

Was not limiting that to just 2 feet closer.

We could see live and in color just how our long range shots were not working. Move in closer and make some of your shots vs missing all your shots

(01-07-2014 02:15 PM)dan o Wrote:  

(01-07-2014 02:10 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(01-07-2014 02:07 PM)dan o Wrote:  Not if you can't make 'em

If you're not making 3's, the odds aren't much better on shots 2 feet closer.

Was not limiting that to just 2 feet closer.

We could see live and in color just how our long range shots were not working. Move in closer and make some of your shots vs missing all your shots

Well, that's the whole point. If you move in closer, there are multiple defenders. We were being given the 3's in order to effectively take away anything much closer.

If 3's aren't falling, and the lane is clogged up, I think we should've tried to get out and run. Score before the defense can set up. But this is all hindsight talk. Had the outside shots started falling and we came back to win, Pastner looks just fine right now. The silly turnovers didn't help either.

(01-07-2014 02:10 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(01-07-2014 02:07 PM)dan o Wrote:  Not if you can't make 'em

If you're not making 3's, the odds aren't much better on shots 2 feet closer.

I'm really confused, to some shooters there is a big difference in 2 feet and it's not just the feet difference either, there is a psychological difference also..I've seen shooters in the past that were good from 15ft and in, but were horrible from beyond that distance..sometimes stepping inside that arc can be the difference in 2pts and a brick..This is like saying a 2 footer is easier than a dunk..


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Lol. Removing the transition game was the first thing Cronin shored up.... you know, by getting his team to stop with the turnovers which lead to fastbreaks.

Its entertaining reading this stuff. Cronin cut the head from the snake and watched the tigers wander aimlessly.

That is what all decent coaches will and have done to beat the aau tigers. Its not hindisght, its foresight as well given these tactics will continue.

(01-07-2014 02:20 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(01-07-2014 02:15 PM)dan o Wrote:  

(01-07-2014 02:10 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(01-07-2014 02:07 PM)dan o Wrote:  Not if you can't make 'em

If you're not making 3's, the odds aren't much better on shots 2 feet closer.

Was not limiting that to just 2 feet closer.

We could see live and in color just how our long range shots were not working. Move in closer and make some of your shots vs missing all your shots

Well, that's the whole point. If you move in closer, there are multiple defenders. We were being given the 3's in order to effectively take away anything much closer.

If 3's aren't falling, and the lane is clogged up, I think we should've tried to get out and run. Score before the defense can set up. But this is all hindsight talk. Had the outside shots started falling and we came back to win, Pastner looks just fine right now. The silly turnovers didn't help either.

(01-07-2014 02:38 PM)tigergg Wrote:  

(01-07-2014 02:10 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(01-07-2014 02:07 PM)dan o Wrote:  Not if you can't make 'em

If you're not making 3's, the odds aren't much better on shots 2 feet closer.

I'm really confused, to some shooters there is a big difference in 2 feet and it's not just the feet difference either, there is a psychological difference also..I've seen shooters in the past that were good from 15ft and in, but were horrible from beyond that distance..sometimes stepping inside that arc can be the difference in 2pts and a brick..This is like saying a 2 footer is easier than a dunk..


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Stepping in from 2.5 to 18 won't make a big difference, statistically. Anyone who has played knows, and you'll hear coaches constantly get on to kids about shooting from right within the 3 pt line. Either get your feet behind the line or don't put it up.

15 ft is another story, that's FT range and EVERY basketball player on Earth practices FTs.

(01-07-2014 02:41 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  Lol. Removing the transition game was the first thing Cronin shored up.... you know, by getting his team to stop with the turnovers which lead to fastbreaks.

Its entertaining reading this stuff. Cronin cut the head from the snake and watched the tigers wander aimlessly.

That is what all decent coaches will and have done to beat the aau tigers. Its not hindisght, its foresight as well given these tactics will continue.

That's the crazy thing about turnovers, you usually need to FORCE them. The other team always gameplans NOT to turn the ball over.

But I'm here to talk basketball, not engage in a circle jerk celebration that our team lost which you seem intent on doing. I just don't understand the mindset of some people; I don't think I've ever heard you make a positive post about our players or after a win. It's always celebration after something bad happens, and deriding the coach(es) and the players.

Guys like me, Joe1, 450 Bench are all pissed at the loss, but we can also give credit after positive things. It's odd that you don't or can't.

You're hear to talk "basketball" yet you agree with Pastner that the team should just "make their 3s". Using your own logic, thats what the Tigers plan to do (as does any team) when they attempt a 3. I doubt any team or player takes said shot in an attempt to miss it.

Guess what, some plans don't work. But go ahead, talk "basketball" lol..

(01-07-2014 02:46 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(01-07-2014 02:41 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  Lol. Removing the transition game was the first thing Cronin shored up.... you know, by getting his team to stop with the turnovers which lead to fastbreaks.

Its entertaining reading this stuff. Cronin cut the head from the snake and watched the tigers wander aimlessly.

That is what all decent coaches will and have done to beat the aau tigers. Its not hindisght, its foresight as well given these tactics will continue.

That's the crazy thing about turnovers, you usually need to FORCE them. The other team always gameplans NOT to turn the ball over.

But I'm here to talk basketball, not engage in a circle jerk celebration that our team lost which you seem intent on doing. I just don't understand the mindset of some people; I don't think I've ever heard you make a positive post about our players or after a win. It's always celebration after something bad happens, and deriding the coach(es) and the players.

Guys like me, Joe1, 450 Bench are all pissed at the loss, but we can also give credit after positive things. It's odd that you don't or can't.

I guess Cronin (and any other coach who plays Memphis) yelling LET THEM SHOOT THE 3 is a gameplan designed to aid the tigers.

How nice of Cronin to try and help us out!

(01-07-2014 02:54 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  You're hear to talk "basketball" yet you agree with Pastner that the team should just "make their 3s". Using your own logic, thats what the Tigers plan to do (as does any team) when they attempt a 3. I doubt any team or player takes said shot in an attempt to miss it.

Guess what, some plans don't work. But go ahead, talk "basketball" lol..

I can't agree with Pastner, because I haven't heard him say anything. I haven't listened to interviews, etc, so my views are my own. I also haven't said the team should just "make their 3s". Perhaps you're confusing me with someone else.

We appear to be having two different conversations; me about whats been typed in this thread and you about some perceived argument that you've had with 10 different posters.

Seriously Cane, are you bipolar???

All you've talked about in THIS THREAD was how the guards need to just make their shots (you even pointed Nichols out for not being strong enough to throw into him for the kickout) and 3s. Read your previous posts IN THIS THREAD ALONE.

3s and transition is what YOU talked about here. Now if you're somehow saying you're these other posters as well then you got me. That info I didnt know.

(01-07-2014 03:08 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  Seriously Cane, are you bipolar???

All you've talked about in THIS THREAD was how the guards need to just make their shots (you even pointed Nichols out for not being strong enough to throw into him for the kickout) and 3s. Read your previous posts IN THIS THREAD ALONE.

3s and transition is what YOU talked about here. Now if you're somehow saying you're these other posters as well then you got me. That info I didnt know.

Dude, just stop it. In THIS thread, I've been talking about how terrible the 18 ft shot is.

It's my opinion that if our half-court offense is stagnant like it was against Cincy, we try to run more. When the opponent sags into the lane, you cannot throw the ball inside. You either take the the outside shot, or you don't. My theory is try to get out of the half-court all together.

That "we just need to make our shots". Why are you following me around like a kicked puppy?

I guess you were talking about the Antoine Walker 4pnt shot?!!?

This entire thread you defended the need to take and make the 3 given thats what was offered by cincy.

(01-07-2014 12:46 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(01-07-2014 12:42 PM)Pastnerized Wrote:  Could you dance around the point again, please? It could be 12', 15', 17'.
If everyone is sagging and daring us to shoot from 3land, we can move our offense closer for higher % shots.

I don't need to know why the 18' shot is a tougher shot than a 3. Any reason given for why it would be a tougher shot would be complete bs and in your case self serving at best. Quit making such ridiculous statements.

An 18' ft shot isn't tougher than a three, it's about as tough as a three.... and worth only 2. That's the point and that's why it's known as the worst shot in college basketball. I don't have a "case".

And we're weren't being offered 12' or 15', we were being offered about 18' and away from the basket. When we did pass to the post, a help guard would collapse on Shaq (or Pellom) and there was no place to go but kick it out and shoot an open 3.
There is no reason to be upset, guy.

(01-07-2014 03:15 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  I guess you were talking about the Antoine Walker 4pnt shot?!!?

This entire thread you defended the need to take and make the 3 given thats what was offered by cincy.

(01-07-2014 12:46 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(01-07-2014 12:42 PM)Pastnerized Wrote:  Could you dance around the point again, please? It could be 12', 15', 17'.
If everyone is sagging and daring us to shoot from 3land, we can move our offense closer for higher % shots.

I don't need to know why the 18' shot is a tougher shot than a 3. Any reason given for why it would be a tougher shot would be complete bs and in your case self serving at best. Quit making such ridiculous statements.

An 18' ft shot isn't tougher than a three, it's about as tough as a three.... and worth only 2. That's the point and that's why it's known as the worst shot in college basketball. I don't have a "case".

And we're weren't being offered 12' or 15', we were being offered about 18' and away from the basket. When we did pass to the post, a help guard would collapse on Shaq (or Pellom) and there was no place to go but kick it out and shoot an open 3.
There is no reason to be upset, guy.

What thread are you reading?

I most certainly have not defended the need to make 3s. I'm saying get out of the halfcourt altogether. Where are you reading this?

No dude, you said an 18ft shot is as tough as a 3 therefore one might as well take the 3.

I'm done exposing you. You put your foot in your mouth and you're not going to own up to it so I'll just leave it at that.

Btw, you cant run if you cant dominate the boards or continue to force turnoevers hence why we've loss so many top 25 games whose coaches know how to stimy the tranistion game. If you're such a bball guru you would realize this already.


You're dismissed....

(01-07-2014 03:19 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  No dude, you said an 18ft shot is as tough as a 3 therefore one might as well take the 3.

I did. No where in this point did I say repeatedly taking 3s was the way to beat Cincy. You must be reading something into this.

I'm done exposing you. You put your foot in your mouth and you're not going to won up to it so I'll just leave it at that.

Ok, Terminator. God forbid you "expose" me, I'm just trying to have a conversation with someone who isn't you over basketball. You're putting words in my mouth and creating some weird argument that you're having with me. But I'm not even making the points that you're arguing against.

Btw, you cant run if you cant dominate the boards or continue to force turnoevers hence why we've loss so many top 25 games who's coaches know how to stimy the tranistion game. If you're such a bball guru you would realize this already.

So all we had to do was dominate the boards? We outrebounded Cincy 41-38 and held them to only 2 offensive boards in the second. half. That has nothing to do with transition, because the reason we outrebounded them is Cincy got back instead of crashing and they shot like 60%.

But I said that I'd like to see us pressure Cincy and try to manufacture TOs so that we could avoid the half-court. Maybe you didn't read that portion.


You're dismissed....

I'm happy to be dismissed from this weird argument where you assign someone an argument and then argue against said fictitious argument. You don't even need a second poster for that, it's basically like every thread you've ever started on this board; just you posting to yourself.

(01-07-2014 02:20 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(01-07-2014 02:15 PM)dan o Wrote:  

(01-07-2014 02:10 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(01-07-2014 02:07 PM)dan o Wrote:  Not if you can't make 'em

If you're not making 3's, the odds aren't much better on shots 2 feet closer.

Was not limiting that to just 2 feet closer.

We could see live and in color just how our long range shots were not working. Move in closer and make some of your shots vs missing all your shots

Well, that's the whole point. If you move in closer, there are multiple defenders. We were being given the 3's in order to effectively take away anything much closer.

If 3's aren't falling, and the lane is clogged up, I think we should've tried to get out and run. Score before the defense can set up. But this is all hindsight talk. Had the outside shots started falling and we came back to win, Pastner looks just fine right now. The silly turnovers didn't help either.

Fair enough.

I just wanted to discuss your premise and avoid any arguments.

Go Tigers

(01-07-2014 03:19 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  No dude, you said an 18ft shot is as tough as a 3 therefore one might as well take the 3.

I'm done exposing you. You put your foot in your mouth and you're not going to own up to it so I'll just leave it at that.

Btw, you cant run if you cant dominate the boards or continue to force turnoevers hence why we've loss so many top 25 games whose coaches know how to stimy the tranistion game. If you're such a bball guru you would realize this already.


You're dismissed....

Some of you are using the- coin flip was heads 5 times in a row so the chances are greater than 50% this next flip will be a tails.

Does not work that way.

Assuming no injuries...by the end of the season shooting percentages on open shots will be close to the expected.

In other words...if you miss 5 threes in a row- but are a 43% shooter- your next three has a 43% chance. All things being equal. Yes- I get that most of you know that but are still taking the Memphis lost a game so I will thug it up for a while approach- but open threes are good shots if you have a decent percentage. And all these kids did. Too short a sample not to shoot open shots.

Unless you enjoy losing.