(10-28-2013 05:43 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  A 16-team playoff with guaranteed access for all FBS conferences would be great, but I doubt we'll ever see it because the P5 conferences don't want to lose the recruiting advantage that comes with keeping the playoff largely to themselves.

As long as the playoff is restricted to 4 teams selected by a P5-stacked committee, or 8 teams with auto-bids for the P5 champions plus 3 at-large teams selected by a P5-stacked committee (which is where I think we're headed), it will be close to impossible for G5 teams to get in. That will allow the P5 schools to keep using "the chance to play for a championship" as an exclusive selling point to blue-chip talent, thereby preserving their competitive superiority and justifying the continuation of their auto-bids. The system will be neatly stacked in their favor and self-perpetuating, just as it has been with the BCS.

I think the best the G5 can hope for is an 8-team playoff with no auto-bids. Let all FBS teams be eligible and take the top 8 regardless of conference affiliation. Even if the selection committee is stacked in the P5's favor, a G5 team is likely to get in most seasons, and at some point will win a national title. That will eventually erode the P5's ability to use superior playoff access as a selling point to recruits, leaving them only money, fan support and tradition as advantages (which I don't begrudge them since those advantages are earned).

It will eventually come to fruition.

They are trying to maintain power as long as they can but eventually the 16 team playoff will happen. We will probably have about 136 FBS teams in the next 10 years. There are about 6 to 8 more big schools that will upgrade (restart) to FBS:

Sacramento State
UC Davis
Cal Poly
Missouri State
Texas - Arlington
North Florida
Florida Gulf Coast
Kennesaw State

(01-02-2014 09:51 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 05:43 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  A 16-team playoff with guaranteed access for all FBS conferences would be great, but I doubt we'll ever see it because the P5 conferences don't want to lose the recruiting advantage that comes with keeping the playoff largely to themselves.

As long as the playoff is restricted to 4 teams selected by a P5-stacked committee, or 8 teams with auto-bids for the P5 champions plus 3 at-large teams selected by a P5-stacked committee (which is where I think we're headed), it will be close to impossible for G5 teams to get in. That will allow the P5 schools to keep using "the chance to play for a championship" as an exclusive selling point to blue-chip talent, thereby preserving their competitive superiority and justifying the continuation of their auto-bids. The system will be neatly stacked in their favor and self-perpetuating, just as it has been with the BCS.

I think the best the G5 can hope for is an 8-team playoff with no auto-bids. Let all FBS teams be eligible and take the top 8 regardless of conference affiliation. Even if the selection committee is stacked in the P5's favor, a G5 team is likely to get in most seasons, and at some point will win a national title. That will eventually erode the P5's ability to use superior playoff access as a selling point to recruits, leaving them only money, fan support and tradition as advantages (which I don't begrudge them since those advantages are earned).

It will eventually come to fruition.

They are trying to maintain power as long as they can but eventually the 16 team playoff will happen. We will probably have about 136 FBS teams in the next 10 years. There are about 6 to 8 more big schools that will upgrade (restart) to FBS:

Sacramento State
UC Davis
Cal Poly
Missouri State
Texas - Arlington
North Florida
Florida Gulf Coast
Kennesaw State

Georgia State is more likely to drop football than Kennesaw St is to move up to FBS in the next 20 years. I don't think UTA will get around to adding football. Sac St. can't cut it. Davis and Poly have too many financial issues now (although I see them as long run possibilities if they can find a conference to take them). Don't see North Florida or FGCU moving up soon either.

(01-02-2014 11:48 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-02-2014 09:51 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 05:43 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  A 16-team playoff with guaranteed access for all FBS conferences would be great, but I doubt we'll ever see it because the P5 conferences don't want to lose the recruiting advantage that comes with keeping the playoff largely to themselves.

As long as the playoff is restricted to 4 teams selected by a P5-stacked committee, or 8 teams with auto-bids for the P5 champions plus 3 at-large teams selected by a P5-stacked committee (which is where I think we're headed), it will be close to impossible for G5 teams to get in. That will allow the P5 schools to keep using "the chance to play for a championship" as an exclusive selling point to blue-chip talent, thereby preserving their competitive superiority and justifying the continuation of their auto-bids. The system will be neatly stacked in their favor and self-perpetuating, just as it has been with the BCS.

I think the best the G5 can hope for is an 8-team playoff with no auto-bids. Let all FBS teams be eligible and take the top 8 regardless of conference affiliation. Even if the selection committee is stacked in the P5's favor, a G5 team is likely to get in most seasons, and at some point will win a national title. That will eventually erode the P5's ability to use superior playoff access as a selling point to recruits, leaving them only money, fan support and tradition as advantages (which I don't begrudge them since those advantages are earned).

It will eventually come to fruition.

They are trying to maintain power as long as they can but eventually the 16 team playoff will happen. We will probably have about 136 FBS teams in the next 10 years. There are about 6 to 8 more big schools that will upgrade (restart) to FBS:

Sacramento State
UC Davis
Cal Poly
Missouri State
Texas - Arlington
North Florida
Florida Gulf Coast
Kennesaw State

Georgia State is more likely to drop football than Kennesaw St is to move up to FBS in the next 20 years. I don't think UTA will get around to adding football. Sac St. can't cut it. Davis and Poly have too many financial issues now (although I see them as long run possibilities if they can find a conference to take them). Don't see North Florida or FGCU moving up soon either.

FloridaJag has never let logic, research, facts and evidence get in the way of an exciting fantasy life. LOL

(01-03-2014 07:57 AM)panama Wrote:  

(01-02-2014 11:48 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-02-2014 09:51 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 05:43 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  A 16-team playoff with guaranteed access for all FBS conferences would be great, but I doubt we'll ever see it because the P5 conferences don't want to lose the recruiting advantage that comes with keeping the playoff largely to themselves.

As long as the playoff is restricted to 4 teams selected by a P5-stacked committee, or 8 teams with auto-bids for the P5 champions plus 3 at-large teams selected by a P5-stacked committee (which is where I think we're headed), it will be close to impossible for G5 teams to get in. That will allow the P5 schools to keep using "the chance to play for a championship" as an exclusive selling point to blue-chip talent, thereby preserving their competitive superiority and justifying the continuation of their auto-bids. The system will be neatly stacked in their favor and self-perpetuating, just as it has been with the BCS.

I think the best the G5 can hope for is an 8-team playoff with no auto-bids. Let all FBS teams be eligible and take the top 8 regardless of conference affiliation. Even if the selection committee is stacked in the P5's favor, a G5 team is likely to get in most seasons, and at some point will win a national title. That will eventually erode the P5's ability to use superior playoff access as a selling point to recruits, leaving them only money, fan support and tradition as advantages (which I don't begrudge them since those advantages are earned).

It will eventually come to fruition.

They are trying to maintain power as long as they can but eventually the 16 team playoff will happen. We will probably have about 136 FBS teams in the next 10 years. There are about 6 to 8 more big schools that will upgrade (restart) to FBS:

Sacramento State
UC Davis
Cal Poly
Missouri State
Texas - Arlington
North Florida
Florida Gulf Coast
Kennesaw State

Georgia State is more likely to drop football than Kennesaw St is to move up to FBS in the next 20 years. I don't think UTA will get around to adding football. Sac St. can't cut it. Davis and Poly have too many financial issues now (although I see them as long run possibilities if they can find a conference to take them). Don't see North Florida or FGCU moving up soon either.

FloridaJag has never let logic, research, facts and evidence get in the way of an exciting fantasy life. LOL

Yeah, I know....I believe in the success of Georgia State.

This is not hard at all guys. 8 16-Team Conferences. Winners of Conference Championship go to 8-Team Playoff. The Playoff Games can be Bowl Games. Then the loser of the Conference Championship can play in a 8-Team NIT, which would be bowl games as well.

I can't see a 16 team playoff every happening since it makes the regular season meaningless. I do think the format currently setup is gonna be a complete disaster for everybody. They need to put the playoff round in december week after conference champ games either on campus or at one site with 2 games. Put the winners and losers from the playoff in rotated bowls. Thus, the regular season has value, bowls live and you get a playoff of the 4 top teams.

(01-03-2014 10:57 AM)bluesox Wrote:  I can't see a 16 team playoff every happening since it makes the regular season meaningless. I do think the format currently setup is gonna be a complete disaster for everybody. They need to put the playoff round in december week after conference champ games either on campus or at one site with 2 games. Put the winners and losers from the playoff in rotated bowls. Thus, the regular season has value, bowls live and you get a playoff of the 4 top teams.

How does a playoff make the regular season meaningless?

(01-03-2014 11:13 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(01-03-2014 10:57 AM)bluesox Wrote:  I can't see a 16 team playoff every happening since it makes the regular season meaningless. I do think the format currently setup is gonna be a complete disaster for everybody. They need to put the playoff round in december week after conference champ games either on campus or at one site with 2 games. Put the winners and losers from the playoff in rotated bowls. Thus, the regular season has value, bowls live and you get a playoff of the 4 top teams.

How does a playoff make the regular season meaningless?

It doesn't. Its just an old talking point. Crowning a champion is the culmination of the regular season, not the destruction of it.

(01-03-2014 09:47 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(01-03-2014 07:57 AM)panama Wrote:  

(01-02-2014 11:48 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-02-2014 09:51 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 05:43 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  A 16-team playoff with guaranteed access for all FBS conferences would be great, but I doubt we'll ever see it because the P5 conferences don't want to lose the recruiting advantage that comes with keeping the playoff largely to themselves.

As long as the playoff is restricted to 4 teams selected by a P5-stacked committee, or 8 teams with auto-bids for the P5 champions plus 3 at-large teams selected by a P5-stacked committee (which is where I think we're headed), it will be close to impossible for G5 teams to get in. That will allow the P5 schools to keep using "the chance to play for a championship" as an exclusive selling point to blue-chip talent, thereby preserving their competitive superiority and justifying the continuation of their auto-bids. The system will be neatly stacked in their favor and self-perpetuating, just as it has been with the BCS.

I think the best the G5 can hope for is an 8-team playoff with no auto-bids. Let all FBS teams be eligible and take the top 8 regardless of conference affiliation. Even if the selection committee is stacked in the P5's favor, a G5 team is likely to get in most seasons, and at some point will win a national title. That will eventually erode the P5's ability to use superior playoff access as a selling point to recruits, leaving them only money, fan support and tradition as advantages (which I don't begrudge them since those advantages are earned).

It will eventually come to fruition.

They are trying to maintain power as long as they can but eventually the 16 team playoff will happen. We will probably have about 136 FBS teams in the next 10 years. There are about 6 to 8 more big schools that will upgrade (restart) to FBS:

Sacramento State
UC Davis
Cal Poly
Missouri State
Texas - Arlington
North Florida
Florida Gulf Coast
Kennesaw State

Georgia State is more likely to drop football than Kennesaw St is to move up to FBS in the next 20 years. I don't think UTA will get around to adding football. Sac St. can't cut it. Davis and Poly have too many financial issues now (although I see them as long run possibilities if they can find a conference to take them). Don't see North Florida or FGCU moving up soon either.

FloridaJag has never let logic, research, facts and evidence get in the way of an exciting fantasy life. LOL

Yeah, I know....I believe in the success of Georgia State.

Your prognostication is based more on weirdy dart throwing and magic eight balls than research and logic. One of your darts hit GSU. Congrats. The others have hit schools that aren't going FBS or even starting football or worse don't have two coins if if they wished to start football and move to FBS.

(01-02-2014 09:51 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 05:43 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  A 16-team playoff with guaranteed access for all FBS conferences would be great, but I doubt we'll ever see it because the P5 conferences don't want to lose the recruiting advantage that comes with keeping the playoff largely to themselves.

As long as the playoff is restricted to 4 teams selected by a P5-stacked committee, or 8 teams with auto-bids for the P5 champions plus 3 at-large teams selected by a P5-stacked committee (which is where I think we're headed), it will be close to impossible for G5 teams to get in. That will allow the P5 schools to keep using "the chance to play for a championship" as an exclusive selling point to blue-chip talent, thereby preserving their competitive superiority and justifying the continuation of their auto-bids. The system will be neatly stacked in their favor and self-perpetuating, just as it has been with the BCS.

I think the best the G5 can hope for is an 8-team playoff with no auto-bids. Let all FBS teams be eligible and take the top 8 regardless of conference affiliation. Even if the selection committee is stacked in the P5's favor, a G5 team is likely to get in most seasons, and at some point will win a national title. That will eventually erode the P5's ability to use superior playoff access as a selling point to recruits, leaving them only money, fan support and tradition as advantages (which I don't begrudge them since those advantages are earned).

It will eventually come to fruition.

They are trying to maintain power as long as they can but eventually the 16 team playoff will happen. We will probably have about 136 FBS teams in the next 10 years. There are about 6 to 8 more big schools that will upgrade (restart) to FBS:

Sacramento State
UC Davis
Cal Poly
Missouri State
Texas - Arlington
North Florida
Florida Gulf Coast
Kennesaw State

About the last thing we need is additional teams moving up into FBS. The P5 are already not real happy with the size of FBS. There are plenty of FBS teams, probably too many. The G5 doesn't need to add anymore FCS teams. The G5 doesn't have a numbers issue, it has an organizational issue.

What the G5 needs is a conclave where all exit and entry fees are suspended. The conclave would be preceded by a year of meetings with TV, AD's, and presidents. Then, a two week conclave with all G5 would occur with 2 rules. No exit or entry fees and everyone leaves the conclave with a conference home (nobody is left out). Some conferences might disappear, but does that really matter if everyone gets a home?