(01-08-2014 01:59 PM)subflea Wrote: I am all for upward mobility. You just seem to think it only exists with a college degree. There is plenty of upward mobility in the trade industry.
That wasn't my point at all. My point was, the AVERAGE person leaving trade school, doesn't have a whole hell of a lot to look forward to. Meanwhile, someone like say a criminalist(not to be confused with a criminologist) can end up with a greater salary, with a far less labor intensive and far more mentally stimulating occupation. A person with a degree is likely to be in a better position without one and as I said before, skill trades are hard. Sometimes even mindless.
Quote:Your mentality is what keeps the lower class looking up. The thought that anyone who works hard is a chump. You seem to want to get maximum pay for minimal effort. Sorry, but in order to move anywhere in this world you have "embrace the suck". That is part of the journey. I know plenty of people who are in supervisory positions in working class jobs who do not have college degrees. While they admit it sucked for the several years where they were working hard and making little money, none of them would trade those experiences for anything.
That's not what I said. I said, that those who worker harder for equal or less pay, are chumps. If I offered to pay you $100
to help me move a couch, then offered a friend of yours $1,000 to help me move a bar coaster, you'd bust a fking gasket. And rightfully so. It's a mean thing to do.
Beyond that, the lower/welfare class, is content to live in a rut. They are not striving to get high earning careers and if they really valued their money, they'd stop popping out kids left and right.
And who can blame them? In a world where everyone is just great and nobody keeps score, even in little league games; what's their motivation? A pat on the back? Sentimental sweet little nothings, it's the same thing priests do. Egalitarianism is a cult. Cash is something I can hold, what is your journey? A lovely talking point and an evil ideology that makes us content. Contentment needs to die.
Quote:Even the examples you gave me, the lottery winner, the leprechaun, are both examples of trying to get the maximum payout with the least amount of work. Of course the lottery winner doesn't look back fondly at the walk to buy the ticket. It is because he did minimal work for a huge payout. I guarantee the guy who is a plumber and in charge of several crews of guys looks back fondly at his days of driving a van and sticking his hands inside a toilet full of ****.
And that's his reward, a pot full of **** and a lovely conversation with even more schmoes.