Yep. Part of that 37% last year came from Mr "Big Shot" A.Barton as well.

Wishing and hoping the team will simply catch a hot streak from 3 is like wishing they'll catch a hot streak in any other statistical category (rebounding, steals, assists etc.). It aint happening. It is what it is.

(01-08-2014 08:08 PM)shafted1 Wrote:  A team that shot 40% from the '3' last season should raise some serious concerns for their performance in the current season. We're not discussing a bad night here. We're discussing this issue at the halfway point in the season.

A 16-point loss at home does not indicate domination by the opposing team. It more clearly exposes the home team for losing their composure and giving up in the final minutes of a winnable game.

The performance of the opposing team has a lot to do with the success or failure of any team whether at home or on the road but...

It is downright stupid to attempt to win a game by shooting 3's for a team who has yet to make 3's on a consistent basis through the first half of an entire season. It simply makes more sense to rely upon, 'dance with the who brung you;' more specifically, the inside game.

Oklahoma State humiliated the Tigers' 4-guard lineup in their first meeting. It was the inside game that allowed the Tigers to avenge that loss. The 4-guard lineup didn't impress anyone (including the Bearcats) in the first half of the game, with the exception of CJP anyway. Despite Austin's "poor performance" in the first half, he still performed as well, or better than, the 4 guards throughout the entire game.

Are you suggesting we continue to try forcing the square peg into the round hole? Or does it make more sense to simply match the peg to the square hole?

(01-08-2014 08:08 PM)shafted1 Wrote:  A team that shot 40% from the '3' last season should raise some serious concerns for their performance in the current season. We're not discussing a bad night here. We're discussing this issue at the halfway point in the season.

A 16-point loss at home does not indicate domination by the opposing team. It more clearly exposes the home team for losing their composure and giving up in the final minutes of a winnable game.

The performance of the opposing team has a lot to do with the success or failure of any team whether at home or on the road but...

It is downright stupid to attempt to win a game by shooting 3's for a team who has yet to make 3's on a consistent basis through the first half of an entire season. It simply makes more sense to rely upon, 'dance with the who brung you;' more specifically, the inside game.

Oklahoma State humiliated the Tigers' 4-guard lineup in their first meeting. It was the inside game that allowed the Tigers to avenge that loss. The 4-guard lineup didn't impress anyone (including the Bearcats) in the first half of the game, with the exception of CJP anyway. Despite Austin's "poor performance" in the first half, he still performed as well, or better than, the 4 guards throughout the entire game.

Are you suggesting we continue to try forcing the square peg into the round hole? Or does it make more sense to simply match the peg to the square hole?

What you fail to understand is teams have been watching the tape of the old spice classic and have been gamplaning to pack the paint and sag off our perimeter shooters.

Our guards do not have the size to post up in the mid range or to drive the lane consistency against a packed lane full of 6-8+ defenders.

And its not going to stop until we force teams to come out and respect our outside shot again. THAT IS THE ONLY WAY TO FORCE THE DEFENSE TO ADJUST. Everyone respected our perimeter shooters last year, but we had NO post game.

Now we have a post game and are an inside -out team.

We HAVE to hit some 3's if we want to make a deep run.

THERE IS SIMPLY NO OTHER OPTION FOR THIS TEAM. We are who we are......a team with excellent but small guards and a young, developing post game. We HAVE to create space for the post or we have no chance.

So you guys agree that josh is screwing this up?

(01-08-2014 08:35 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  Yep. Part of that 37% last year came from Mr "Big Shot" A.Barton as well.

Part of it also came from the consistent 3 pt bricklayer Adonis Thomas as well.

He shot more 3's than Joe or AB last year.

We would have shot nearly 40% as a team last year without his numbers dragging it down.

(01-08-2014 08:33 PM)Chi-TownTiger Wrote:  How bout pressing more and speeding up the tempo so our little guards don't have to be in a half court offense as much?

40 minutes of hell so to speak. Use all of our bad shooting, great athlectic players all the way to Damian Wilson on the depth chart.

That is what Josh proclaimed to Tiger Nation and the world. But OK State-1 took all the air out of that expectation.

Besides, to have 4 senior, ball hawking guards, and a supposedly deep bench, our press sure seems to be a waste of time. The guys look like they simply pretend to press so that they can take breaks instead.

Hard to understand why they still call for the press only to generally execute it so passively. Perhaps the senior guards have figured out they are not going to be subbed out for breathers.

In my opinion

Dixon was one of the only 2-3 who showed any ability to score Saturday. Dixon is a career 37% 3-shooter. He is just pressing trying to fit in and will be fine.

(01-08-2014 08:33 PM)Chi-TownTiger Wrote:  

(01-08-2014 08:25 PM)Jedi Master Sipho-Dyas Wrote:  

(01-08-2014 08:08 PM)shafted1 Wrote:  A team that shot 40% from the '3' last season should raise some serious concerns for their performance in the current season. We're not discussing a bad night here. We're discussing this issue at the halfway point in the season.

A 16-point loss at home does not indicate domination by the opposing team. It more clearly exposes the home team for losing their composure and giving up in the final minutes of a winnable game.

The performance of the opposing team has a lot to do with the success or failure of any team whether at home or on the road but...

It is downright stupid to attempt to win a game by shooting 3's for a team who has yet to make 3's on a consistent basis through the first half of an entire season. It simply makes more sense to rely upon, 'dance with the who brung you;' more specifically, the inside game.

Oklahoma State humiliated the Tigers' 4-guard lineup in their first meeting. It was the inside game that allowed the Tigers to avenge that loss. The 4-guard lineup didn't impress anyone (including the Bearcats) in the first half of the game, with the exception of CJP anyway. Despite Austin's "poor performance" in the first half, he still performed as well, or better than, the 4 guards throughout the entire game.

Are you suggesting we continue to try forcing the square peg into the round hole? Or does it make more sense to simply match the peg to the square hole?

THERE IS SIMPLY NO OTHER OPTION FOR THIS TEAM.

How bout pressing more and speeding up the tempo so our little guards don't have to be in a half court offense as much?

We are one of the most high tempo teams in the nation already.

(01-08-2014 08:35 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  Yep. Part of that 37% last year came from Mr "Big Shot" A.Barton as well.

Wishing and hoping the team will simply catch a hot streak from 3 is like wishing they'll catch a hot streak in any other statistical category (rebounding, steals, assists etc.). It aint happening. It is what it is.

(01-08-2014 08:08 PM)shafted1 Wrote:  A team that shot 40% from the '3' last season should raise some serious concerns for their performance in the current season. We're not discussing a bad night here. We're discussing this issue at the halfway point in the season.

A 16-point loss at home does not indicate domination by the opposing team. It more clearly exposes the home team for losing their composure and giving up in the final minutes of a winnable game.

The performance of the opposing team has a lot to do with the success or failure of any team whether at home or on the road but...

It is downright stupid to attempt to win a game by shooting 3's for a team who has yet to make 3's on a consistent basis through the first half of an entire season. It simply makes more sense to rely upon, 'dance with the who brung you;' more specifically, the inside game.

Oklahoma State humiliated the Tigers' 4-guard lineup in their first meeting. It was the inside game that allowed the Tigers to avenge that loss. The 4-guard lineup didn't impress anyone (including the Bearcats) in the first half of the game, with the exception of CJP anyway. Despite Austin's "poor performance" in the first half, he still performed as well, or better than, the 4 guards throughout the entire game.

Are you suggesting we continue to try forcing the square peg into the round hole? Or does it make more sense to simply match the peg to the square hole?

WHO ?

(01-04-2014 02:06 PM)Memp400Kng Wrote:  It falls on the coach to recognize these things and make the adequate adjustments. Yet Dixon is still out there clunking it away.

Meanwhile, Austin sits. Who cares if the kid isn't the fastest or highest jumper.... Austin handles business (those small things that compound into wins). This "match-ups"/"feel" thing is some BS.

I love this post. I really like the words "adequate adjustments"

Dixon should and needs to play but he shouldn't be given the green light to jack up shots and force shots. I noticed this at the rebounders practice before the season started. During that practice scrimmage Joe shot twice to dixon's 8 to 10. I remember my dad turning to me and saying...Dixon could be a problem if he is going to be allowed to do this. Nothing really has changed since then. If Josh would just control him he could really be an asset.

(01-08-2014 09:36 PM)Jedi Master Sipho-Dyas Wrote:  

(01-08-2014 08:33 PM)Chi-TownTiger Wrote:  

(01-08-2014 08:25 PM)Jedi Master Sipho-Dyas Wrote:  

(01-08-2014 08:08 PM)shafted1 Wrote:  A team that shot 40% from the '3' last season should raise some serious concerns for their performance in the current season. We're not discussing a bad night here. We're discussing this issue at the halfway point in the season.

A 16-point loss at home does not indicate domination by the opposing team. It more clearly exposes the home team for losing their composure and giving up in the final minutes of a winnable game.

The performance of the opposing team has a lot to do with the success or failure of any team whether at home or on the road but...

It is downright stupid to attempt to win a game by shooting 3's for a team who has yet to make 3's on a consistent basis through the first half of an entire season. It simply makes more sense to rely upon, 'dance with the who brung you;' more specifically, the inside game.

Oklahoma State humiliated the Tigers' 4-guard lineup in their first meeting. It was the inside game that allowed the Tigers to avenge that loss. The 4-guard lineup didn't impress anyone (including the Bearcats) in the first half of the game, with the exception of CJP anyway. Despite Austin's "poor performance" in the first half, he still performed as well, or better than, the 4 guards throughout the entire game.

Are you suggesting we continue to try forcing the square peg into the round hole? Or does it make more sense to simply match the peg to the square hole?

THERE IS SIMPLY NO OTHER OPTION FOR THIS TEAM.

How bout pressing more and speeding up the tempo so our little guards don't have to be in a half court offense as much?

We are one of the most high tempo teams in the nation already.

I guess if we can't shoot we need to be more high tempo.

High tempo turns to what tempo? when playing decent teams who know how to neutralize the transition game.

Go from scoring in the 80s to barely getting 60...if that.

Press? Four short guards pressing really isn't that scary to teams. This has been proven.

This message is Megamind approved.

(01-08-2014 10:43 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  High tempo turns to what tempo? when playing decent teams who know how to neutralize the transition game.

Go from scoring in the 80s to barely getting 60...if that.

Press? Four short guards pressing really isn't that scary to teams. This has been proven.

This message is Megamind approved.

We can't hit 3's. We can't hit midrange jumpers. Our centers can't shoot with the exception of maybe Nichols. We can't press to create a tempo because we're too dinky. We can't rebound because we play four guards and they're dinky to boot.

So what can we do? Let's play 'Coach of the Memphis Tigers'. Who wants to start?

This man cant BALL!!!

(01-08-2014 10:48 PM)Chi-TownTiger Wrote:  

(01-08-2014 10:43 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  High tempo turns to what tempo? when playing decent teams who know how to neutralize the transition game.

Go from scoring in the 80s to barely getting 60...if that.

Press? Four short guards pressing really isn't that scary to teams. This has been proven.

This message is Megamind approved.

We can't hit 3's. We can't hit midrange jumpers. Our centers can't shoot with the exception of maybe Nichols. We can't press to create a tempo because we're too dinky. We can't rebound because we play four guards and they're dinky to boot.

So what can we do? Let's play 'Coach of the Memphis Tigers'. Who wants to start?

I hope this was sarcasm, because if you find yourself agreeing with CUSAnews you really have hit rock bottom.

(01-08-2014 11:13 PM)Jedi Master Sipho-Dyas Wrote:  

(01-08-2014 10:48 PM)Chi-TownTiger Wrote:  

(01-08-2014 10:43 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  High tempo turns to what tempo? when playing decent teams who know how to neutralize the transition game.

Go from scoring in the 80s to barely getting 60...if that.

Press? Four short guards pressing really isn't that scary to teams. This has been proven.

This message is Megamind approved.

We can't hit 3's. We can't hit midrange jumpers. Our centers can't shoot with the exception of maybe Nichols. We can't press to create a tempo because we're too dinky. We can't rebound because we play four guards and they're dinky to boot.

So what can we do? Let's play 'Coach of the Memphis Tigers'. Who wants to start?

I hope this was sarcasm, because if you find yourself agreeing with CUSAnews you really have hit rock bottom.

That's not true

(01-08-2014 11:16 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(01-08-2014 11:13 PM)Jedi Master Sipho-Dyas Wrote:  

(01-08-2014 10:48 PM)Chi-TownTiger Wrote:  

(01-08-2014 10:43 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  High tempo turns to what tempo? when playing decent teams who know how to neutralize the transition game.

Go from scoring in the 80s to barely getting 60...if that.

Press? Four short guards pressing really isn't that scary to teams. This has been proven.

This message is Megamind approved.

We can't hit 3's. We can't hit midrange jumpers. Our centers can't shoot with the exception of maybe Nichols. We can't press to create a tempo because we're too dinky. We can't rebound because we play four guards and they're dinky to boot.

So what can we do? Let's play 'Coach of the Memphis Tigers'. Who wants to start?

I hope this was sarcasm, because if you find yourself agreeing with CUSAnews you really have hit rock bottom.

That's not true

I would agree with you but then we would both be wrong.

I rest my case

(01-08-2014 08:39 PM)Jedi Master Sipho-Dyas Wrote:  What you fail to understand is teams have been watching the tape of the old spice classic and have been gamplaning to pack the paint and sag off our perimeter shooters.

Our guards do not have the size to post up in the mid range or to drive the lane consistency against a packed lane full of 6-8+ defenders.

And its not going to stop until we force teams to come out and respect our outside shot again. THAT IS THE ONLY WAY TO FORCE THE DEFENSE TO ADJUST. Everyone respected our perimeter shooters last year, but we had NO post game.

Now we have a post game and are an inside -out team.

We HAVE to hit some 3's if we want to make a deep run.

THERE IS SIMPLY NO OTHER OPTION FOR THIS TEAM. We are who we are......a team with excellent but small guards and a young, developing post game. We HAVE to create space for the post or we have no chance.

I disagree. Shooting 3's to open up the lane is the quickest way but only if your guards can make those shots. They haven't consistently made 3's up to this point and the pressure seems to be mounting. The old adages, "Where there is a will, there is a way." or, "There's more than one way to skin a cat." apply in virtually everything in life. Basketball is no exception.

If CJP can't figure out another way to circumvent a packed lane, he has Joe Jackson, David Pellom and a host of other experts to turn to for an answer. He simply has to have faith in those guys and his assistant coaches!

Get the team together in the gym along with the assistant coaches. Then go home! CJP benefits from spending time with his wife while leaving the team to find a solution [and the guys benefit indirectly as well]. Let the guys play the game while the coaches observe [no coaching; just observation.] There's too much talent amongst those guys for them not to find a way. Something tells me they'd figure it out by the end of the week.

(01-09-2014 01:37 AM)shafted1 Wrote:  I disagree. Shooting 3's to open up the lane is the quickest way but only if your guards can make those shots. They haven't consistently made 3's up to this point and the pressure seems to be mounting. The old adages, "Where there is a will, there is a way." or, "There's more than one way to skin a cat." apply in virtually everything in life. Basketball is no exception.

Their careers did not start this year.

We are talking about proven SR's that have been able to knock down open 3's most of their careers.

Joe shot more 3's than ever before last year and hit 45%. Crawford has been shooting 40% his soph and JR years and Dixon is a career 37% shooter at Mizzu. These are proven commodities from the 3 pt line.

We can either overreact and tell them not to shoot the 3, or do what all coaches have done since the beginning of time when their shooters are in a slump.......Shoot your way out of it.

CC went thru a terrible slump last year and he was smart enough to keep shooting until he broke out of it.