so we're a women's bball conference now?

(01-06-2014 10:38 PM)randaddyminer Wrote:  so we're a women's bball conference now?

Actually, to separate ourselves from the other G5 Conferences, we need to be good in Football and..... Mens and Womens Basketball. It guarantees that C-USA will be talked about year round in the media....which improves perception among the masses. With our obvious pedigree of national championships, Final Fours, Sweet Sixteens, etc. among several programs in both mens and womens basketball, we have the potential to be something special. Something I kept trying to tell SBC fans that they never seemed to realize. SBC fans think it's all about having some success in football, and basketball didn't matter. The P5 conferences are successful on the national stage in all three sports. The AAC and C-USA can separate themselves from the SBC, MAC, and MWC.

Women's basketball isn't the "top" of the lineup.. but with La Tech, WKY, and ODU brought in, we have to give it at least some serious attention among the rest of the schools.

(01-07-2014 12:52 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(01-06-2014 10:38 PM)randaddyminer Wrote:  so we're a women's bball conference now?

Actually, to separate ourselves from the other G5 Conferences, we need to be good in Football and..... Mens and Womens Basketball. It guarantees that C-USA will be talked about year round in the media....which improves perception among the masses. With our obvious pedigree of national championships, Final Fours, Sweet Sixteens, etc. among several programs in both mens and womens basketball, we have the potential to be something special. Something I kept trying to tell SBC fans that they never seemed to realize. SBC fans think it's all about having some success in football, and basketball didn't matter. The P5 conferences are successful on the national stage in all three sports. The AAC and C-USA can separate themselves from the SBC, MAC, and MWC.

Well CUSA is certainly embarrassing itself in basketball this year.

(01-05-2014 03:37 PM)topper1296 Wrote:  I've tried to go thru and summarize men's and women's basketball with Div 1 stats in the NCAA tourney. Feel free to make any corrections and/or additions since I pulled this info from wikipedia and I didn't look up every member (I only looked up the historically strong bball programs -sorry if I left someone out). These are some pretty impressive stats on the women's side.

Men's bball
National championships- 1 (UTEP)
Final Four - 3 (WKU, UTEP, Charlotte)
Sweet Sixteen - 17 (7-WKU, 4-UTEP, 3-UAB, 1-Char, 1-LaTech, 1-Rice)

Women's bball
National Championships - 6 (3-LaTech, 3-ODU)
Final Four - 22 (13-LaTech, 6-ODU, 3-WKU)
Sweet Sixteen - 45 (23-LaTech, 15-ODU, 6-WKU, 1-S Miss)

Technically, Rice was in two Elite Eights in '40 and '42 I think. There were only eight teams invited though.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketba...al/1940/DI

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketba...al/1942/DI

(01-05-2014 10:44 AM)meangreener Wrote:  Really surprised NT hasn't been mentioned much.

Before Dodge, we had a high winning percentage historically, we ran the SBC early, Hayden Fry, one of the very first teams to integrate causing bad blood that boiled over into us missing out on the SWC, beaten most of the big name teams at one time or another, Mean Joe, Abner Haynes...most of our history of greatness is ancient history...but we do have a very good history.

UNT's Mean Joe Greene era produced 3 #1 NFL draft choices and 17 other Mean Green NFL draft choices all who played during Joe's era or were drafted a year or so after he left for the Steelers.

I am not sure I can recall any Southwest Conference school having that number of NFL draft choices record over a similar period of time, but I stand to be corrected.

Of course during the Joe Greene era and best I can recollect, the only SWC school who'd schedule UNT was Frank Broyles Razorbacks and the late, good friend of many of our's ex Mean Greener/Pitt Steeler Ron Shanklin had quite a story for me on the winning TD reception he caught in that game that featured some "home cookin'" by SWC refs who called an obvious catch.......a trap.

In fact long story short............Shank' told me at a Fort Worth Mexican eatery one day back in the 80's how 2 or 3 Razorbacks from that very game called him a few years later telling him........"sorry, Ron, but we know North Texas won that game." The very next year the Hogs would play DKR's Texas Longhorns in what the national sports media called "the Game of the Century" and for the NCAA national championship.

In another note, it was great to see Mean Joe at the historic Cotton Bowl sidelines on New Years Day and at the HOD Bowl game with that foxy and quite cute ESPN interviewer.

(01-07-2014 08:16 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  Women's basketball isn't the "top" of the lineup.. but with La Tech, WKY, and ODU brought in, we have to give it at least some serious attention among the rest of the schools.

Yeah, hope the Lady Raiders can compete. Lol.


I get that we're talking about history, but we're clearly the premier women's basketball program in the league right now and it's probably not that close. Time to get that Sweet 16/Elite 8 under our belt this season.

As for people who are rattling off about "X draft choices and X other NFL players". That's great for personal bragging rights, but to me, has nothing to do with the question of "most history.".

Now if you have Heismann players or "insert college trophy" players. That's fine.

But what they did after they moved on to the NFL/CFL/USFL/etc should not fall into the C-USA school history discussion.

(01-07-2014 08:16 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  Women's basketball isn't the "top" of the lineup.. but with La Tech, WKY, and ODU brought in, we have to give it at least some serious attention among the rest of the schools.

Women's basketball is at the top of the lineup for a lot of us at MT. I know all you general Joe Smith average fans don't follow it that closely but MT has had the best program in the SBC for a decade plus and will continue to have the best program in the CUSA I believe. Rick Insell is a winner.

(01-07-2014 04:03 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  Now if you have Heismann players or "insert college trophy" players. That's fine.

What if John Heisman was one of your coaches?

(01-05-2014 11:31 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(01-05-2014 08:53 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(01-04-2014 10:50 AM)Surbadger Wrote:  Marshall has a very rich history on football with the Plane Crash to 2 I-AA championships to 12 conference championships.

Marshall's football success began in the late 1980's so it isn't a long history. I'd have to put USM or Rice at the top, Marshall is a strong third.

History and success can be two different things.

Marshall's first year of football was 1895
So Miss and Rice didn't start till 1912

Total Championships

Marshall - 15
So Miss - 12
Rice - 8

Bowl History

Marshall 8-2
So Miss 10-10
Rice 6-5

Not only that but history is also about firsts and Marshall was the first school to allow freshman to play college football and the first to employ a soccer style kicker.. Also Cam Henderson is credited with inviting the 2-3 zone and of course the longest shot made in NCAA history was by a marshall player at the old field house so those are some pretty historically significant markers.

FWIW
Old Dominion's 18 athletic teams are known as the Monarchs (men) and Lady Monarchs (women) and mostly compete in the NCAA Division I Conference USA. Old Dominion University athletic teams have captured 28 team national championships and four individual titles. The school's best-known sports team is the Lady Monarchs basketball team, which has won three national championships in 1979 (AIAW), 1980 (AIAW) and 1985 (NCAA). The Lady Monarchs also made it to the 1997 Women's NCAA Championship Game, losing to Tennessee. ODU athletic teams have won a further 28 national championships including 15 in men's and women's sailing and 9 in women's field hockey. The Lady Monarchs' nine national titles in field hockey are unprecedented in NCAA record books for most titles in that sport by the same school.

In addition, Old Dominion's athletic teams have captured 49 championships in the Colonial Athletic Association.

On March 2010, Dr. Wood Selig became the new athletic director. Previously, Dr. Selig was the athletic director at Western Kentucky.[23]

On May 17, 2012 Old Dominion announced it would move to Conference USA on July 1, 2013. The school's wrestling team will join the Mid-American Conference as an associate member, as C-USA does not sponsor wrestling. In two other sports not sponsored by C-USA, field hockey and women's lacrosse, ODU will become an associate member of the "new" Big East Conference.

ODU-VCU Rivalry[edit]

No one's history impresses anyone like your own of which few outside your school would probably share a similar enthusiasm.

(01-07-2014 04:42 PM)JustAnotherAustinOwl Wrote:  

(01-07-2014 04:03 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  Now if you have Heismann players or "insert college trophy" players. That's fine.

What if John Heisman was one of your coaches?

Only if he was successful on the field :)