(01-04-2014 03:21 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(01-04-2014 02:25 PM)TheBigEastSucks Wrote:  

(01-03-2014 04:33 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  The SJ Almanac of ECU Stats tells me that Richmond is the best player in CUSA, NCAA, and the Foreign Legion. He was left off of the list because he would have been the entire list, and that is just not fair to the rest of CUSA.

Does everyone just attack this guy all day. Richmond is just garbage is a joke

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/...rence_id=1

I think Richmond will be all conference at the end of the year. I expect it. But yeah, we are all sick of the constant SJ crap on this board. I hope he remains here when all of the other ECU fans make the final move to the AAC board.

He'll absolutely be all conference. Second team at worst IMO.

People around here just don't like the way Richmond scores his points. People like Marv or the UNCC fans act like it's tainted or lesser because he's mostly only shooting threes (which btw is value it's self spacing the floor for everyone else). I could give a flying flip honestly how he scores, the bottomline is the bottomline. You think anyone cared Shaq only dunked. 20 points per game is 20 points per game, and you throw in the 3rd most efficient clip in the conference on top of that. The guy is a big time scorer.

Here are some pre-season post from you and Marv....

(11-04-2013 04:37 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(11-04-2013 04:28 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(11-04-2013 04:17 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(11-04-2013 03:39 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Ladies & Gents...

Your 2013/2014 C-USA POTY:

Akeem Richmond


Our team may not be all that good this year, but Akeem will be Akeem... and that spells trouble for C-USA!

...and can I get a "Thank the Lord" Memphis isn't on the schedule this year?!?!?!

If the CUSA POTY is a three point specialist, CUSA is going to be worse than I ever imagined.

No kidding.

I hope that Richmond shoots well, but if ECU doesn't have/and or develop a better "go to scorer" than a 6 foot tall-3 point bomber who never drives; then ECU is going to struggle on offense.

I mean he's great at what he does well and that is shoot the 3 point ball well.

I would just hope the CUSA POTY is a little more well rounded. First team all CUSA I could understand (assuming he plays all year like he closed out last season), but not POTY unless he has significantly improved his ability to drive, play defense, and/or dish out assists.

Classic Marv highlighted. Richmond is getting 20 a game and leading CUSA and instead of struggling on offense the team is top 10 in the nation in scoring in large part because of his spacing he creates.

(01-05-2014 09:07 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Here are some pre-season post from you and Marv....

(11-04-2013 04:37 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(11-04-2013 04:28 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(11-04-2013 04:17 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(11-04-2013 03:39 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Ladies & Gents...

Your 2013/2014 C-USA POTY:

Akeem Richmond


Our team may not be all that good this year, but Akeem will be Akeem... and that spells trouble for C-USA!

...and can I get a "Thank the Lord" Memphis isn't on the schedule this year?!?!?!

If the CUSA POTY is a three point specialist, CUSA is going to be worse than I ever imagined.

No kidding.

I hope that Richmond shoots well, but if ECU doesn't have/and or develop a better "go to scorer" than a 6 foot tall-3 point bomber who never drives; then ECU is going to struggle on offense.

I mean he's great at what he does well and that is shoot the 3 point ball well.

I would just hope the CUSA POTY is a little more well rounded. First team all CUSA I could understand (assuming he plays all year like he closed out last season), but not POTY unless he has significantly improved his ability to drive, play defense, and/or dish out assists.

Classic Marv highlighted. Richmond is getting 20 a game and leading CUSA and instead of struggling on offense the team is top 10 in the nation in scoring in large part because of his spacing he creates.

He was just named to the Olympic team, and the Lakers just signed him.

(01-05-2014 09:07 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Here are some pre-season post from you and Marv....

(11-04-2013 04:37 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(11-04-2013 04:28 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(11-04-2013 04:17 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(11-04-2013 03:39 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Ladies & Gents...

Your 2013/2014 C-USA POTY:

Akeem Richmond


Our team may not be all that good this year, but Akeem will be Akeem... and that spells trouble for C-USA!

...and can I get a "Thank the Lord" Memphis isn't on the schedule this year?!?!?!

If the CUSA POTY is a three point specialist, CUSA is going to be worse than I ever imagined.

No kidding.

I hope that Richmond shoots well, but if ECU doesn't have/and or develop a better "go to scorer" than a 6 foot tall-3 point bomber who never drives; then ECU is going to struggle on offense.

I mean he's great at what he does well and that is shoot the 3 point ball well.

I would just hope the CUSA POTY is a little more well rounded. First team all CUSA I could understand (assuming he plays all year like he closed out last season), but not POTY unless he has significantly improved his ability to drive, play defense, and/or dish out assists.

Classic Marv highlighted. Richmond is getting 20 a game and leading CUSA and instead of struggling on offense the team is top 10 in the nation in scoring in large part because of his spacing he creates.

Where did I make a prediction? All I said was I hope the CUSA POTY is more than a three point specialist. I stand by that comment.

That doesn't mean I think Richmond is a terrible player not worthy of being named to an All Conference list. Hell, I even said he could be first team all conference. I think he will be unless ECU tanks in conference play and finishes in the lower half of the league.

It's just the general lack of respect around here for the caliber of player he is, even from some of our ignorant fans. He's more than just solid. His stats really aren't all that different from JJ Redick the year he won National Player of the year, he just played more minutes and shot more (not even better).

Redick (National Player of the Year)
26.8 ppg
2.0 rpg
2.6 apg
1.4 spg
2.5 turnovers
.630 True shooting percentage
37.1 minutes per game

Richmond
20.0 ppg
1.7 rpg
1.5 apg
1.5 spg
1.5 turnovers
.638 True shooting percentage
33.4 minutes per game

and before anyone exaggerates what I'm saying I am not saying that he is the same caliber player or plays that same level of competition only that if Redick can be the national POY averaging 2 rebounds I don't know why Richmond couldn't be conf POY if our team finished really high in the league as dominant a scorer as he has been. I really don't think people realize just how having him on the court spacing it and the attention he draws 25 feet out opens it up for the rest of our team. How teams guard him is a huge reason why we are averaging 80 something points.

(01-05-2014 08:34 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Oh lookie another thread with people shatting on me that I haven't even posted in. As far as Richmond, sorry anyone would have the audacity to consider the leagues leading scorer for any recognition or awards.

we knew you'd show up eventually with your stats... oh and you did just like we predicted. You are the running joke on the board expect to get mocked in every basketball thread until you and ECU moves to the ACK board and maybe even after.

(01-05-2014 10:41 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  It's just the general lack of respect around here for the caliber of player he is, even from some of our ignorant fans. He's more than just solid. His stats really aren't all that different from JJ Redick the year he won National Player of the year, he just played more minutes and shot more (not even better).

Redick (National Player of the Year)
26.8 ppg
2.0 rpg
2.6 apg
1.4 spg
2.5 turnovers
.630 True shooting percentage
37.1 minutes per game

Richmond
20.0 ppg
1.7 rpg
1.5 apg
1.5 spg
1.5 turnovers
.638 True shooting percentage
33.4 minutes per game

and before anyone exaggerates what I'm saying I am not saying that he is the same caliber player or plays that same level of competition only that if Redick can be the national POY averaging 2 rebounds I don't know why Richmond couldn't be conf POY if our team finished really high in the league as dominant a scorer as he has been. I really don't think people realize just how having him on the court spacing it and the attention he draws 25 feet out opens it up for the rest of our team. How teams guard him is a huge reason why we are averaging 80 something points.

I really don't disagree with you on Richmond. He is a very good player, and like I've said before I think he'd start on any team in this conference. I still think he takes some bad shots(just because you can make it from 25 feet with 2 hands in your face doesn't mean it's a good shot) but his scoring abilities cannot be denied.

I think at this point, the award is Frazier's to lose though. He is averaging 2.4 PPG less than Richmond, but he is also averaging 4 rebounds and 5 assists per game. He is one of the major reasons UAB has turned it around this quickly. My one big knock on Frazier is he turns the ball over way too much, but sometimes you just have to deal with that when a player is doing as much as he is.

lol

(01-06-2014 09:27 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  I think at this point, the award is Frazier's to lose though. He is averaging 2.4 PPG less than Richmond, but he is also averaging 4 rebounds and 5 assists per game. He is one of the major reasons UAB has turned it around this quickly. My one big knock on Frazier is he turns the ball over way too much, but sometimes you just have to deal with that when a player is doing as much as he is.

His scoring hasn't been all that efficient though. .556% True Shooting percentage is ok but not spectacular. The assist are nice but when a guy has the 4th most turnovers in the nation it kind of doesn't matter as much. It's reflected in his Player Efficiency Rating to which is only slightly above average because he's doing things that hurt the team too.

Tymell Murphy (FIU) and Alex Hamilton (La Tech) are the most efficient high minute guys with the best overall stats or on teams like Hamilton that could earn them that that award. They have PER's of 24-26 compared to 17.2 for Frazier.

(01-03-2014 12:22 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Arguably the best team, no representative. lol. Two players from FIU. lol

The advanced statistics doesn't matter. The voters aren't going to look at those numbers. The player of the year is voted on by the media that covers CUSA. In the past, that group has shown to be lazy and will simply vote for the best player on the best team, unless someone is far and away better than anyone else

(01-06-2014 01:49 AM)Dracorex Wrote:  

(01-05-2014 08:34 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Oh lookie another thread with people shatting on me that I haven't even posted in. As far as Richmond, sorry anyone would have the audacity to consider the leagues leading scorer for any recognition or awards.

we knew you'd show up eventually with your stats... oh and you did just like we predicted. You are the running joke on the board expect to get mocked in every basketball thread until you and ECU moves to the ACK board and maybe even after.

I don't have an issue with him. At least he provides stats for his arguments rather than many people who just post an opinion related post and expect it to be taken as gospel. You have to appreciate that.

(01-06-2014 10:50 AM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  The advanced statistics doesn't matter. The voters aren't going to look at those numbers. The player of the year is voted on by the media that covers CUSA. In the past, that group has shown to be lazy and will simply vote for the best player on the best team, unless someone is far and away better than anyone else

I don't disagree with any of that, I'm just pointing out the impact of his turnovers is pretty massive in reality and overall he hasn't been the kind of player individually really that either of the FIU guys have been. I don't know that they have a team that will be good enough to warrant the recognition but they probably do have been the best one two punch in CUSA.

It honestly depends on the game for Frazier. Against New Mexico he scored 34 on 19 shots, Nebraska 32 on 13 shots, and UNC 25 on 13 shots. Against Troy he had 10 on 9 shots, Alabama A&M he had 7 on 14 shots, and LSU 15 on 16 shots. He's been all over the place at times, but as a JUCO transfer I have been pretty impressed overall, minus the high turnovers. There is still a full conference slate ahead, so there is plenty of time for things to change, but he has carried this team at times without a doubt.

As far as Hamilton, I don't know a ton about him, but he has a really high FG%, especially when compared to last year. I have no clue how he plays, but is that number sustainable for a guard? That is part of the reason his PER is so high I'm sure. Murphy is a solid player, but I'm not sure FIU is even going to finish in the top half of the league, and you know how POY voting normally goes.

Stats and awards means nothing. Winning and championships mean everything. I'll take what we have and hope for the best.

(01-06-2014 10:50 AM)MU ATO Wrote:  

(01-03-2014 12:22 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Arguably the best team, no representative. lol. Two players from FIU. lol

lol. Honestly, looking at our numbers we don't really have a standout who should be on it.

(01-06-2014 10:56 AM)MU ATO Wrote:  

(01-06-2014 01:49 AM)Dracorex Wrote:  

(01-05-2014 08:34 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Oh lookie another thread with people shatting on me that I haven't even posted in. As far as Richmond, sorry anyone would have the audacity to consider the leagues leading scorer for any recognition or awards.

we knew you'd show up eventually with your stats... oh and you did just like we predicted. You are the running joke on the board expect to get mocked in every basketball thread until you and ECU moves to the ACK board and maybe even after.

I don't have an issue with him. At least he provides stats for his arguments rather than many people who just post an opinion related post and expect it to be taken as gospel. You have to appreciate that.

SJ =

(01-06-2014 10:56 AM)MU ATO Wrote:  

(01-06-2014 01:49 AM)Dracorex Wrote:  

(01-05-2014 08:34 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Oh lookie another thread with people shatting on me that I haven't even posted in. As far as Richmond, sorry anyone would have the audacity to consider the leagues leading scorer for any recognition or awards.

we knew you'd show up eventually with your stats... oh and you did just like we predicted. You are the running joke on the board expect to get mocked in every basketball thread until you and ECU moves to the ACK board and maybe even after.

I don't have an issue with him. At least he provides stats for his arguments rather than many people who just post an opinion related post and expect it to be taken as gospel. You have to appreciate that.

problem is, he just manipulates and misinterprets statistics to make his argument

(01-06-2014 11:51 AM)TheNorthTexan Wrote:  

(01-06-2014 10:56 AM)MU ATO Wrote:  

(01-06-2014 01:49 AM)Dracorex Wrote:  

(01-05-2014 08:34 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Oh lookie another thread with people shatting on me that I haven't even posted in. As far as Richmond, sorry anyone would have the audacity to consider the leagues leading scorer for any recognition or awards.

we knew you'd show up eventually with your stats... oh and you did just like we predicted. You are the running joke on the board expect to get mocked in every basketball thread until you and ECU moves to the ACK board and maybe even after.

I don't have an issue with him. At least he provides stats for his arguments rather than many people who just post an opinion related post and expect it to be taken as gospel. You have to appreciate that.

problem is, he just manipulates and misinterprets statistics to make his argument

So provide an example