The reason the B12 had such a horrendous season is the poor performance by its QBs at many of its schools. TT's freshman QB performed admirably against ASU, so the Raiders are good to go in 2014. Hopefully, other B12 teams will resolve their QB problem in 2014.

Oklahoma U is another school needing a QB badly. Their starting hot shot run/pass QB faltered at the start of the season, but then performed much better when re-inserted in the latter stages of the season.

OSU, Texas, and WVA had QB issues, and it cost all three teams dearly. Oregon's beat down of Texas has one silver lining--the beat down certainly wipes the slate clean for the incoming Texas coach.

TCU had a proven hot shot QB but he was injured early, destroying TCU's projected fine season.

In summary, OU, OSU, WVA, TCU, and Texas all had severe issues at QB. No wonder the B12 season was so dismal.

About the only bright spot at the QB position for the B12 this year was at Baylor. With Baylor returning their QB and TT finding their QB, that is at least 2 B12 teams good to go in 2014. Hopefully, some of the other B12 teams will also get their QB issues resolved in 2014.

Oklahoma and Oklahoma State should be in the SEC. Let the Kansas schools do whatever they want and allow Texas, Baylor, TCU, TTU, SMU and Rice battle for the state of Texas.

(12-31-2013 12:06 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Oklahoma and Oklahoma State should be in the SEC. Let the Kansas schools do whatever they want and allow Texas, Baylor, TCU, TTU, SMU and Rice battle for the state of Texas.

Totally and absolutely disagree. Rather, Oklahoma U and Oklahoma State should be in the state of Texas with Longhorns. Losing the state of Texas and/or Longhorns (basically, the same thing) would be a disaster for OU and OSU. OU and OSU need Longhorns. Longhorns do not need OU or OSU.

With the Sugar Bowl SEC/B12 agreement, there is no compelling reason to be in SEC all season long....just go to Sugar Bowl and win the darn thing. Or, do what OSU did this season. Play Mississippi State in Houston. No need to change conferences....just do it nonconference scheduling and/or bowl agreements like Sugar and Cotton with SEC. And hang on to those football games in the state of Texas with its accompanying fertile recruiting ground.

(12-31-2013 12:33 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(12-31-2013 12:06 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Oklahoma and Oklahoma State should be in the SEC. Let the Kansas schools do whatever they want and allow Texas, Baylor, TCU, TTU, SMU and Rice battle for the state of Texas.

Totally and absolutely disagree. Rather, Oklahoma U and Oklahoma State should be in the state of Texas with Longhorns. Losing the state of Texas and/or Longhorns (basically, the same thing) would be a disaster for OU and OSU. OU and OSU need Longhorns. Longhorns do not need OU or OSU.

Nope. We are tired of being associated with Texas and anything north of Kansas, with the exception of WVU is boring.

It's time for OU, OSU to revive their border war with Arkansas. Oklahoma and Alabama belong in the same conference.

Magic 8 ball says...

"Don't count on it!"

For those keeping track at home:

Does this mean that Texas has now pissed off fans at...

...Nebraska, Oklahoma, Okie State, Colorado, Texas A&M, Arkansas, SMU, UH, and Missouri?

You could make a borderline power conference solely with teams whose fans are tired of Texas.

Oklahoma and Texas need one another to a great extent.

(12-31-2013 01:10 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  For those keeping track at home:

Does this mean that Texas has now pissed off fans at...

...Nebraska, Oklahoma, Okie State, Colorado, Texas A&M, Arkansas, SMU, UH, and Missouri?

You could make a borderline power conference solely with teams whose fans are tired of Texas.

The University of Colorado had no problems whatsoever with the University of Texas. CU declined an invitation from the PAC to join Texas in the Big 12 in 1994. CU fully expected to have UT join them in the PAC in 2010.

Missouri also did not have a problem with Texas. Mizzou's problem was with Oklahoma and specifically with David Boren.

(12-31-2013 01:13 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Oklahoma and Texas need one another to a great extent.

Not really. We don't have to be in the same conference with Texas to pull Texas recruits. I don't see any other reason. A SEC with the two Oklahoma's would be a better SEC. We can still play Texas every year.

Apparently you're unfamiliar with their policy regarding playing teams that break the sacred bond of trust that is a conference younger than my niece.

(12-31-2013 01:51 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Apparently you're unfamiliar with their policy regarding playing teams that break the sacred bond of trust that is a conference younger than my niece.

Who are you talking to?

(12-31-2013 01:10 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  For those keeping track at home:

Does this mean that Texas has now pissed off fans at...

...Nebraska, Oklahoma, Okie State, Colorado, Texas A&M, Arkansas, SMU, UH, and Missouri?

You could make a borderline power conference solely with teams whose fans are tired of Texas.

So what would you call it? Horn Haters Conference, Bevo Busters Conference, Austin's Powers Conference, Sips Not Conference, Austin's Orphans Conference, or Tex Vexed Conference?

Texas' Exes

(12-31-2013 04:29 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Texas' Exes

Oh now that's a good one.

I'm not sure why folks think Texas and Oklahoma need to be in the same conference in order to help each other out. If being in the Big 12 is so huge for Oklahoma recruiting in Texas then why is their 4* and higher recruiting in Texas going so badly already?

People just repeat the same ole BS despite the very obvious facts that state otherwise.

(12-31-2013 04:34 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-31-2013 04:29 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Texas' Exes

Oh now that's a good one.

I'm not sure why folks think Texas and Oklahoma need to be in the same conference in order to help each other out. If being in the Big 12 is so huge for Oklahoma recruiting in Texas then why is their 4* and higher recruiting in Texas going so badly already?

People just repeat the same ole BS despite the very obvious facts that state otherwise.

He1nous there are pages on how Nebraska feels about the effects of being cut off from traditional recruiting bases. Just because others disagree with you that Oklahoma's recruiting would be damaged by Big 10 membership doesn't mean it's B.S. And by the way the observations and written opinions about this differ from your position, so maybe you're just repeating the same ole stuff over and over. There are two sides to every coin and every argument.

(12-31-2013 04:50 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-31-2013 04:34 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-31-2013 04:29 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Texas' Exes

Oh now that's a good one.

I'm not sure why folks think Texas and Oklahoma need to be in the same conference in order to help each other out. If being in the Big 12 is so huge for Oklahoma recruiting in Texas then why is their 4* and higher recruiting in Texas going so badly already?

People just repeat the same ole BS despite the very obvious facts that state otherwise.

He1nous there are pages on how Nebraska feels about the effects of being cut off from traditional recruiting bases. Just because others disagree with you that Oklahoma's recruiting would be damaged by Big 10 membership doesn't mean it's B.S. And by the way the observations and written opinions about this differ from your position, so maybe you're just repeating the same ole stuff over and over. There are two sides to every coin and every argument.

The numbers don't lie, people do. Bitchers and complainers ***** and complain. People that are fine with things, they have better things to do.

Nice generalized statement that "everything" counters me. Sure it doesn't.

(12-31-2013 05:05 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-31-2013 04:50 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-31-2013 04:34 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-31-2013 04:29 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Texas' Exes

Oh now that's a good one.

I'm not sure why folks think Texas and Oklahoma need to be in the same conference in order to help each other out. If being in the Big 12 is so huge for Oklahoma recruiting in Texas then why is their 4* and higher recruiting in Texas going so badly already?

People just repeat the same ole BS despite the very obvious facts that state otherwise.

He1nous there are pages on how Nebraska feels about the effects of being cut off from traditional recruiting bases. Just because others disagree with you that Oklahoma's recruiting would be damaged by Big 10 membership doesn't mean it's B.S. And by the way the observations and written opinions about this differ from your position, so maybe you're just repeating the same ole stuff over and over. There are two sides to every coin and every argument.

The numbers don't lie, people do. Bitchers and complainers ***** and complain. People that are fine with things, they have better things to do.

Nice generalized statement that "everything" counters me. Sure it doesn't.

Nobody has to counter you He1nous and nobody is griping all over the internet about Oklahoma and the Big 10 but you. If the Sooners go it will be for academics, it sure won't be for a future in playing football. And you are right the facts don't lie.

(12-31-2013 03:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-31-2013 01:10 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  For those keeping track at home:

Does this mean that Texas has now pissed off fans at...

...Nebraska, Oklahoma, Okie State, Colorado, Texas A&M, Arkansas, SMU, UH, and Missouri?

You could make a borderline power conference solely with teams whose fans are tired of Texas.

So what would you call it? Horn Haters Conference, Bevo Busters Conference, Austin's Powers Conference, Sips Not Conference, Austin's Orphans Conference, or Tex Vexed Conference?

No Cowplop Conference

Oklahoma needs its tie to Texas and DFW in particular not just for recruiting but for alumni.

OU recruits DFW heavily for TX students and offers them instate tuition to get them there and its a popular choice for North Texas kids who don't get into A&M or UT but don't want to go to the next level down instate public schools.

The annual game with Texas in the CB is a huge part of that. I think UT would be put in a hard place if OU left them too for the B1G because on the one hand, the smart thing to do would be to try and cut them off from Texas recruiting by canceling the game and hurting their visibility in the state...but on the other hand, that would be cutting off ties from the last of their meaningful rivalries that have left them over the years starting with Arkansas.

(12-31-2013 06:28 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Oklahoma needs its tie to Texas and DFW in particular not just for recruiting but for alumni.

OU recruits DFW heavily for TX students and offers them instate tuition to get them there and its a popular choice for North Texas kids who don't get into A&M or UT but don't want to go to the next level down instate public schools.

The annual game with Texas in the CB is a huge part of that. I think UT would be put in a hard place if OU left them too for the B1G because on the one hand, the smart thing to do would be to try and cut them off from Texas recruiting by canceling the game and hurting their visibility in the state...but on the other hand, that would be cutting off ties from the last of their meaningful rivalries that have left them over the years starting with Arkansas.

Non of this requires them to be in the same conference. I doubt your baseball scenario would make much difference. If A&M can break ties with the Longhorns, Oklahoma surely can. We also don't have to be in the same conference to pull recruits. We have a geographical advantage.