BTW, I did google that, and I'm not even talking about the tactic of cut blocking. Everyone knows they do that and it's considered legal, so whatever you just deal with it.

I'm talking about a play is run, the back is tackled, the play is dead and a WR or an A back then proceeds to cut the legs out from underneath the DB or LB he's blocking often times well away from the ball on the other side of the field, so it's not seen on the TV a lot of times. I would say I saw that occur at least 15 times. And the refs also don't call Navy for holding. Go back and look at the last TD run for 40 yards or whatever it was. The guy that has the responsibility for making the tackle on the pitch man (#18 - Gilstrap for MT) is drug to the ground and literally tackled by the blocking receiver. No call. Happened all day. I do not want to play an option team anytime soon again. I got my fill after playing Georgia Tech three straight years. At least we got them once.

(12-30-2013 11:57 PM)BrassoBill Wrote:  They didn't get flagged because you're allowed to play until the whistle. Stop scrambling to save face.

What I'm talking about was occurring after the whistle.

Teams & fans not used to seeing cut blocking (or so young they never experienced it) tend to react that way.
It's still legal. Everybody used to do it. (remember the wishbone?)
It's the standard excuse of teams that lose to service academies.

So cutting is legal after the whistle. Thanks didn't know that. Everyone should run it then.

Holding. You're talking about holding and a bunch of stuff that we just have to take your word on. You got it, dude.

(12-31-2013 12:06 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  So cutting is legal after the whistle. Thanks didn't know that. Everyone should run it then.

If they do it after the whistle, they get flagged, just like in the ND video on the previous page. The officials watch for it. Opposing coaches alert them to it. It's playing to the whistle.

Navy fans. Honest serious question here. I am very familiar with you guys. As I mentioned previously I live in Annapolis.

I usually fly back to Murfreesboro for as many games as I can get to. I see a lot of our games. I also worked in the athletic dept once upon a time there as well. I've seen quite few Navy games too and try to go when the schedule works itself out.

Today, I was very close to the field only a couple of rows back. Because of the actions of one guy and the help of the ESPN announcers we ended up with the black eye, but of all the opponents we've played I have not seen a team as mouthy, trash talking, chippy late hits, laying on players too long, etc. I could go on, and I didn't even mention the late cutting. Hell, even the Navy ball boy on the Middle Tennessee sideline was running his mouth to our head coach and was shoving players out of his way. You guys came out looking like choir boys, because we had a couple of guys that got too caught up in and made some really bad decisions, but is this indicative of your program? As I mentioned previously, I had not seen anything to this degree before, but granted I was a lot closer today than I usually am. I wasn't aware of any trash talking by MT prior to the game, but there sure was a lot of it going on today from the opening kickoff. A Navy player got up in one of our guys facemask after the initial kickoff of the game, and I was thinking what's that all about? So, just curious if that's typical? Obviously, what happened with us today is not. As Coach Stockstill said after the game we've had three unsportsmanlike penalties all season and two of those three happened today. Just curious if you guys have any insight into why this game was so chippy?

(12-31-2013 12:20 AM)old salt Wrote:  

(12-31-2013 12:06 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  So cutting is legal after the whistle. Thanks didn't know that. Everyone should run it then.

If they do it after the whistle, they get flagged, just like in the ND video on the previous page. The officials watch for it. Opposing coaches alert them to it. It's playing to the whistle.

Maybe our coaches didn't? All I know is it was after the whistle sometimes close to it sometimes blatantly after. Like I said, it's not like I'm unfamiliar with what you guys do.

(12-31-2013 12:22 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Navy fans. Honest serious question here. I am very familiar with you guys. As I mentioned previously I live in Annapolis.

I usually fly back to Murfreesboro for as many games as I can get to. I see a lot of our games. I also worked in the athletic dept once upon a time there as well. I've seen quite few Navy games too and try to go when the schedule works itself out.

Today, I was very close to the field only a couple of rows back. Because of the actions of one guy and the help of the ESPN announcers we ended up with the black eye, but of all the opponents we've played I have not seen a team as mouthy, trash talking, chippy late hits, laying on players too long, etc. I could go on, and I didn't even mention the late cutting. Hell, even the Navy ball boy on the Middle Tennessee sideline was running his mouth to our head coach and was shoving players out of his way. You guys came out looking like choir boys, because we had a couple of guys that got too caught up in and made some really bad decisions, but is this indicative of your program? As I mentioned previously, I had not seen anything to this degree before, but granted I was a lot closer today than I usually am. I wasn't aware of any trash talking by MT prior to the game, but there sure was a lot of it going on today from the opening kickoff. A Navy player got up in one of our guys facemask after the initial kickoff of the game, and I was thinking what's that all about? So, just curious if that's typical? Obviously, what happened with us today is not. As Coach Stockstill said after the game we've had three unsportsmanlike penalties all season and two of those three happened today. Just curious if you guys have any insight into why this game was so chippy?

I wasn't there today, so I just know what I saw on tv.
At NMCMS I don't sit close enough to hear, but I see the whole field.

Navy's WR's are coached to play to the whistle & block on every play, even if it's away from the ball, to distract the DB's.

That was the chippiest Navy game in my memory, worse even than Navy-Air Force games. I can't ever recall seeing the stunts #33 was pulling. Blame espn, but the camera does not lie.

It wasn't just the actions of one guy. As for what's typical, I can't comment on the things you want everyone to believe you saw.

(12-31-2013 12:41 AM)BrassoBill Wrote:  It wasn't just the actions of one guy. As for what's typical, I can't comment on the things you want everyone to believe you saw.

Whatever then. I'm firmly on the record what our guy did was deplorable. Sorry I asked and tried to have a civil discussion. Congrats on getting away with all the **** you did today. But that does answer my question. I guess that is indeed the Navy way. I won't be going back to your stadium anytime soon.

We'll live

(12-31-2013 12:46 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(12-31-2013 12:41 AM)BrassoBill Wrote:  It wasn't just the actions of one guy. As for what's typical, I can't comment on the things you want everyone to believe you saw.

Whatever then. I'm firmly on the record what our guy did was deplorable. Sorry I asked and tried to have a civil discussion. Congrats on getting away with all the **** you did today. But that does answer my question. I guess that is indeed the Navy way. I won't be going back to your stadium anytime soon.

Interesting that you make the case that MTSU is not to blame for the actions of one player, yet turn around and blame the entire Navy program because one poster here disagrees with your assessment? Odd don't you think?

You can't have it both ways.

Personally, I'd have loved to see a big ugly on the Navy team take that a$$hole apart for the eye gouge crap. MTSU recruited a thug in that kid, and should be ashamed, and correct it.

(12-31-2013 01:18 AM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(12-31-2013 12:46 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(12-31-2013 12:41 AM)BrassoBill Wrote:  It wasn't just the actions of one guy. As for what's typical, I can't comment on the things you want everyone to believe you saw.

Whatever then. I'm firmly on the record what our guy did was deplorable. Sorry I asked and tried to have a civil discussion. Congrats on getting away with all the **** you did today. But that does answer my question. I guess that is indeed the Navy way. I won't be going back to your stadium anytime soon.

Interesting that you make the case that MTSU is not to blame for the actions of one player, yet turn around and blame the entire Navy program because one poster here disagrees with your assessment? Odd don't you think?

You can't have it both ways.

Personally, I'd have loved to see a big ugly on the Navy team take that a$$hole apart for the eye gouge crap. MTSU recruited a thug in that kid, and should be ashamed, and correct it.

Like many programs, MTSU recruited players acting with less than stellar behavior. MTSU kicked off many of the players or took other action and I believe they will take corrective action in this case.


http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball...tch-072213

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...club-brawl

http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=629...pid9228753

http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=619544

The Tennessean (Nashville's newspaper) wrote the below today:

Quote: Specifically, attention was turned toward senior linebacker Rod Blunt, who was ejected early in the fourth quarter after his second unsportsmanlike-conduct penalty. He was shown multiple times by ESPN exhibiting questionable conduct toward Navy players, including what appeared to be an attempt to poke or gouge the eyes of Navy quarterback Keenan Reynolds, a Goodpasture graduate

http://www.tennessean.com/article/201312.../312300085

(12-31-2013 01:18 AM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(12-31-2013 12:46 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(12-31-2013 12:41 AM)BrassoBill Wrote:  It wasn't just the actions of one guy. As for what's typical, I can't comment on the things you want everyone to believe you saw.

Whatever then. I'm firmly on the record what our guy did was deplorable. Sorry I asked and tried to have a civil discussion. Congrats on getting away with all the **** you did today. But that does answer my question. I guess that is indeed the Navy way. I won't be going back to your stadium anytime soon.

Interesting that you make the case that MTSU is not to blame for the actions of one player, yet turn around and blame the entire Navy program because one poster here disagrees with your assessment? Odd don't you think?

You can't have it both ways.

Personally, I'd have loved to see a big ugly on the Navy team take that a$$hole apart for the eye gouge crap. MTSU recruited a thug in that kid, and should be ashamed, and correct it.

How is that odd when we have one player do something wrong, but you guys have a clearly an ideology and philosophy as a team to chip late after the whistle is blown? I don't know what happened with Rod. He's never done anything like that before. I'm not sure how this person http://www.wsmv.com/story/23824084/mtsu-...-road-rage can be the same one who did what he did to Keenan. I hope he issues an apology to the Navy football program and Keenan in particular.

But no it's not odd and I'm not having it both ways. We had two kids do really stupid things. What you guys did was occurring throughout the entire game. I guess part of your team's M.O. While I lost the respect that I had gained for how Blunt has carried himself during his five years at MT, I lost respect for the entire Navy program yesterday. And this isn't sour grapes. I didn't expect to win because traditionally we don't play the triple option well. I expected a good tough football game, and we got something very different. Navy is not without fault here. From the opening kick your players were talking sh1t and showing little class. I was very surprised. Not what I expected from a service academy.

It's not my place to apologize for what Blunt did, but if it were I would do it. Hopefully, he does the right thing and issues a sincere apology before the end of the day.

I guess we'll have to take your word for it.

MTSU is and was a dirty team!!!

Blount, #33 is undoubtedly the trashiest, dirtiest football player I have seen in all my years of watching high school and college football. I noticed Stockstill did not scold him when he was finally ejected from the gamne after his 2nd unsportsmanlike infraction that the Refs saw (they unfortunately missed the eye-gouging and elbowing).

(12-31-2013 10:04 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(12-31-2013 01:18 AM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(12-31-2013 12:46 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(12-31-2013 12:41 AM)BrassoBill Wrote:  It wasn't just the actions of one guy. As for what's typical, I can't comment on the things you want everyone to believe you saw.

Whatever then. I'm firmly on the record what our guy did was deplorable. Sorry I asked and tried to have a civil discussion. Congrats on getting away with all the **** you did today. But that does answer my question. I guess that is indeed the Navy way. I won't be going back to your stadium anytime soon.

Interesting that you make the case that MTSU is not to blame for the actions of one player, yet turn around and blame the entire Navy program because one poster here disagrees with your assessment? Odd don't you think?

You can't have it both ways.

Personally, I'd have loved to see a big ugly on the Navy team take that a$$hole apart for the eye gouge crap. MTSU recruited a thug in that kid, and should be ashamed, and correct it.

How is that odd when we have one player do something wrong, but you guys have a clearly an ideology and philosophy as a team to chip late after the whistle is blown? I don't know what happened with Rod. He's never done anything like that before. I'm not sure how this person http://www.wsmv.com/story/23824084/mtsu-...-road-rage can be the same one who did what he did to Keenan. I hope he issues an apology to the Navy football program and Keenan in particular.

But no it's not odd and I'm not having it both ways. We had two kids do really stupid things. What you guys did was occurring throughout the entire game. I guess part of your team's M.O. While I lost the respect that I had gained for how Blunt has carried himself during his five years at MT, I lost respect for the entire Navy program yesterday. And this isn't sour grapes. I didn't expect to win because traditionally we don't play the triple option well. I expected a good tough football game, and we got something very different. Navy is not without fault here. From the opening kick your players were talking sh1t and showing little class. I was very surprised. Not what I expected from a service academy.

It's not my place to apologize for what Blunt did, but if it were I would do it. Hopefully, he does the right thing and issues a sincere apology before the end of the day.

I appreciate your effort to discredit my opinion by saying I'm a Navy fan. I served in the Navy, but I don't routinely follow the program. So, I have no dog in that fight. I'm also not "anti-MTSU". I do however, as a Navy vet, know what those midshipmen have set in front of them, from a Navy career standpoint. I won't abide some punk kid deciding it's ok to try and permanently injury someone who has committed to serve this country, because of his dislike for how the game is going.

Do some research and you'll see that I was a big proponent of MTSU to CUSA. I think it's a great fit. So, this isn't an MTSU witch hunt. What it is, is an opinion on what I saw yesterday. It was disgraceful. As a fan of MTSU, you should be more upset than any of us, because that punk's behavior reflected badly on your University. The fact that you're not might say more about you, and your school, than you understand.

Middle Tennessee State University is the worst directional name school I have ever heard.