(12-30-2013 01:07 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-29-2013 10:51 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  

(12-29-2013 10:48 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Yeah, that map was ridiculous.

Baylor may have no fanbase but that's not true of the big Texas public schools

Holy smokes, we agree on something again. Texas, Texas A&M and Texas Tech are the 3 most supported brands in the state of Texas. Everyone else fights for 4th.

UH was bigger than A&M for a good portion of its history. I think its been bigger than Tech for the last half century at least. They were also more successful for a good chunk of that time in the SWC than either school. Their fans aren't as intense as UT, A&M or Tech, but there are a lot of them out there.

LMAO

And now you're just straight up lying out of desperation.

Coog high has NEVER been more popular even during their brief stint of SWC glory they couldn't get anyone into the Astrodome...unless we were playing.

(12-30-2013 01:03 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-29-2013 10:39 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-29-2013 10:33 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-29-2013 07:52 PM)S11 Wrote:  

(12-29-2013 07:35 PM)Lurker Above Wrote:  Aggies edge past Longhorns in Texas popularity contest.

A recent survey by Public Policy Polling found 22 percent of Texas voters identified themselves as Aggies sports fans, compared with 20 percent who declared their loyalty for the Longhorns.

http://dallas.culturemap.com/news/sports...ge-sports/

For pete's sake people, its a survey of 500 voters. Not exactly the best methodology.

Better one to compare UT vs A&M- Facebook pre-season top 25 county leaders:
http://mashable.com/2013/08/30/college-f...ebook-map/



That tells a much more statistically sound story than 500 random schmucks.

This map is worthless, too. By making each county "winner take all", it is extremely misleading - for example, does anyone really think that there are NO Michigan State fans in Michigan? or no FSU fans in Florida outside of Tallahassee itself?

"There are 3 kinds of lies..." - Mark Twain (aka Samuel Clemens - liar!)

Thank you! You are exactly right about the data on the map. There are more living Auburn alumni than Alabama alumni in the State of Alabama yet the entire map is crimson. I have no doubt that counting the fair weather fans that most years Alabama has more fans in the state, but the map couldn't even be right county by county. There are regions of the state where there are more Auburn alumni and fans than those of Alabama, yet all 67 counties including Lee county (home to Auburn U) are colored crimson. Ridiculous!

I think the words "Facebook" and "Preseason" tell you all you need to know.

And yet one year's selected data means A&M owns Texas? Alabama won two straight MNCs and their data was skewed higher than usual.

You are correct that better data is obtainable. However, apologetics are what they are as well. A&M has made up ground. But, Texas is still the brand that people associate the quickest with the State. But nothing saves the facebook map it's purely bogus.

(12-30-2013 01:07 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  Wow, just can't handle that not that many people cared to watch the cows this years. It can't possibly be there's something wrong with UT, it has to be faulty numbers or incorrect data. There's no way anyone is allowed to be more popular than the nut less cows.

But that's the entitlement mentality that's led you to this situation

A lot of Texas fans weren't interested in watching Texas after the BYU and Ole Miss games. Just pointing out the data doesn't mean what it purports. You need to look at it in context. That may be beyond Aggie capabilities.

As someone pointed out, two Texas teams went 8-4. One went winless against ranked teams, finished 4th in their division and gave their coach and extension and raise. One beat a top 12 team, finished 2nd in a 10 team league and was a half away from a conference championship and forced the 10th winningest coach in college football history to retire.

Or to put it more correctly:

One got its $#!t shoved in at home by a bottom tier SEC team and yet were still able to do just fine in the Big 12 and nearly win it.

Context.

(12-30-2013 12:52 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-29-2013 09:14 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  Like I said, Tech and UT need to get back to 08 & 09 levels and aggy will once again be 2nd or 3rd fiddle in the state of Texas. The TV ratings show that and once autograph leaves, the hype of the SEC will wear off. Texans still want to see local big Texas teams play each other. After a few years, the newness of a&m in the SEC will mean nothing to Texans.

True story. My son saw someone in Atlanta in an A&M jersey. Asked him if he was an A&M fan. He said, "No. I'm not even sure where the school is. I like Johnny Football."

You say that as if it was a bad thing, but is it?

There must be thousands of t-shirt fans with Notre Dame football gear or Duke basketball gear (or haters of either team) who couldn't tell you which state either of those schools are in. Yet a significant part of those programs' TV value comes from fans like that.

Raise your hand if your graduated from a Big 12 Texas school?

Raise your hand if you ride the coattails of an SEC school that wouldn't sniff your application?

Just to clarify, Bullet and I have degrees from Big 12 Texas schools. The aggy t-shirt fan doesn't.

By all means, continue on with your t-shirt aggy agenda. JR thinks it is possible for the Texoma 4 to join the SEC which will mean your little experiment failed.

Like I told Jr, the SEC is bad fit for Tech but kicking the crap out of aggy like we have done the past 40-50 years would be well worth it. True aggy and t-shirt aggy are against it despite their 3 year winning streak but nothing beats Tech-A&M in the state of Texas. The hatred we have for each other is unmatched. LSU, Arkansas, Alabama will never achieve the the hate that we have for aggy and vice versa. Aggy wants Texas but they have Oklahoma. Aggy wants LSU but they have Arkansas.

Tech-Aggy is a hate filled contest. Friends from both schools hate each other and hope the other fails. Like I said, Tech is a bad fit for the SEC but I enjoyed walking on the grass at the MSC, I enjoyed telling freshman corp turds to STFU when they told me to uncover. Tech-Aggy is true hatred(not in the alabama-auburn way) but sincere hate for those miniscule dweebs.

Watching 70k thousand walk out of gomer pyle after another loss to little ole Tech was priceless. I enjoyed it in 96, 98, 02, 06 and 08 in what was supposed to be a tough place to win.

Come on Slive, realize you only have a little sliver of East Texas and invite the Texoma 4. We won't kill each other or destroy a tree but you will get TV ratings galore in Houston when Tech-Aggy meet.

(12-30-2013 12:05 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-29-2013 11:45 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  

(12-29-2013 11:31 PM)FreshPrinceOfDarkness Wrote:  

(12-29-2013 11:22 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  My how the tune has changed.

First it was "The people of Texas will never embrace the SEC because they love the Big 12 so much"

Now it's "Well...the people don't watch EVERY SEC game!"

Not sure what that means but, either way, Texans don't care about the SEC beyond the occasional interesting matchup, just like any other conference not B12. At least in DFW, it's all Big 12 + A&M. I remember before the 2013 CFB season started, Corby on The Ticket said, "Aggie fans. Let's get this out of the way. Texas is still a Big 12 state so that's what we will be talking about most of the time when it comes to CFB. So, if you Aggies want to complain or ***** to our management that we don't cover the SEC adequately, please do so today and get it over with." He didn't even mean it to be taken rudely. Just matter of fact.

In DFW, you are correct. In Houston, if the Big 12 survives and I hope it doesn't, we need Tech and Texas to get back to 08 & 09 levels. Our 2 schools winning will beat anything that aggy has to offer in Houston. That being said, aggy caught lightning in a bottle and has done well with UT and Tech being down and that has been proven in the most recent Houston TV ratings. JR thinks it is possible for the SEC to add the Texoma 4 which I sincerely doubt, but adding those 4 schools would definitely make Texas a true SEC state in all regions

The SEC seemed quite willing to consider adding 4 (even 5 discussed) schools to gain Virginia and North Carolina. Those two states give us 60% of what Texahoma delivers and they don't have two teams in the top 10 in profitability and only 2 of those schools could be considered football first schools. All 4 of Texahoma are football first schools.

Should the SEC decide to go after Texas and Oklahoma of course they will try to land just the two of them first. But considering the remaining markets consider this. Oklahoma and Texas together deliver 30 million viewers. A&M has given us a considerable piece of Texas but nowhere near what the top 3 publics give the SEC in terms of product, financial and political advantage within the State.

Texas and Oklahoma are #1 & #7 in profitability. The SEC has 4 others already in the top 10. Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Texas Tech, outdraw North Carolina, N.C. State and Virginia in average crowd and it's not really close. Only Virginia Tech meets that benchmark. Texahoma travels well to games. The Virginia and Carolina schools less so. The kind of division that would be formed out of Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Arkansas, and Missouri would essentially be the grafting of the best of the Old Big 12 (minus Nebraska) into the top football conference in the nation, which possesses the best viewership in the nation, and which could with the inclusion of those 4 quite easily out earn every conference in the nation.

Texas is a research giant. They don't need the CIC anymore than Virginia or the Research Triangle schools do. Everyone they truly care about playing would be right there in their division, plus the Aggies in the same conference.

Logistically, economically, culturally, and familiarly, I don't see why anyone would think the notion foreign. Would it be more or less of a stretch to see that than to see Texahoma in the PAC? or to see Texas and Oklahoma split from their long standing little brothers for a foray into the Big 10? I think those are questions to ponder.

JRsec when it comes to product, financial and political advantage within the state of Texas, Baylor is well ahead of Tech.

(12-30-2013 01:54 AM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  

(12-30-2013 12:05 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-29-2013 11:45 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  

(12-29-2013 11:31 PM)FreshPrinceOfDarkness Wrote:  

(12-29-2013 11:22 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  My how the tune has changed.

First it was "The people of Texas will never embrace the SEC because they love the Big 12 so much"

Now it's "Well...the people don't watch EVERY SEC game!"

Not sure what that means but, either way, Texans don't care about the SEC beyond the occasional interesting matchup, just like any other conference not B12. At least in DFW, it's all Big 12 + A&M. I remember before the 2013 CFB season started, Corby on The Ticket said, "Aggie fans. Let's get this out of the way. Texas is still a Big 12 state so that's what we will be talking about most of the time when it comes to CFB. So, if you Aggies want to complain or ***** to our management that we don't cover the SEC adequately, please do so today and get it over with." He didn't even mean it to be taken rudely. Just matter of fact.

In DFW, you are correct. In Houston, if the Big 12 survives and I hope it doesn't, we need Tech and Texas to get back to 08 & 09 levels. Our 2 schools winning will beat anything that aggy has to offer in Houston. That being said, aggy caught lightning in a bottle and has done well with UT and Tech being down and that has been proven in the most recent Houston TV ratings. JR thinks it is possible for the SEC to add the Texoma 4 which I sincerely doubt, but adding those 4 schools would definitely make Texas a true SEC state in all regions

The SEC seemed quite willing to consider adding 4 (even 5 discussed) schools to gain Virginia and North Carolina. Those two states give us 60% of what Texahoma delivers and they don't have two teams in the top 10 in profitability and only 2 of those schools could be considered football first schools. All 4 of Texahoma are football first schools.

Should the SEC decide to go after Texas and Oklahoma of course they will try to land just the two of them first. But considering the remaining markets consider this. Oklahoma and Texas together deliver 30 million viewers. A&M has given us a considerable piece of Texas but nowhere near what the top 3 publics give the SEC in terms of product, financial and political advantage within the State.

Texas and Oklahoma are #1 & #7 in profitability. The SEC has 4 others already in the top 10. Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Texas Tech, outdraw North Carolina, N.C. State and Virginia in average crowd and it's not really close. Only Virginia Tech meets that benchmark. Texahoma travels well to games. The Virginia and Carolina schools less so. The kind of division that would be formed out of Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Arkansas, and Missouri would essentially be the grafting of the best of the Old Big 12 (minus Nebraska) into the top football conference in the nation, which possesses the best viewership in the nation, and which could with the inclusion of those 4 quite easily out earn every conference in the nation.

Texas is a research giant. They don't need the CIC anymore than Virginia or the Research Triangle schools do. Everyone they truly care about playing would be right there in their division, plus the Aggies in the same conference.

Logistically, economically, culturally, and familiarly, I don't see why anyone would think the notion foreign. Would it be more or less of a stretch to see that than to see Texahoma in the PAC? or to see Texas and Oklahoma split from their long standing little brothers for a foray into the Big 10? I think those are questions to ponder.

JRsec when it comes to product, financial and political advantage within the state of Texas, Baylor is well ahead of Tech.

Poor baylor. The only school that threatened to sue when aggy left. Texas didn't, OU didn't and Texas Tech didn't.

If Baylor was so well thought of, they wouldn't have ken star parading around like an idiot. Baylor belongs in the aac with houston and smu. Crappy fan base that only shows up in their best season in years. Congrats on finally removing the tarp.

Enjoy the Fiesta against Central freaking Florida. That will be a TV ratings bonanza. Now leave and let big boys talk.

Tech is a largely forgotten program. The most it can hope for in a conference realignment situation is to be the ugly sister and be carried by the desirable school. The cold hard truth is just that Tech doesn't add anything to any conference.

Bill Yeoman and UofH reached a level of sustained success that Tech has never been able to match.

(12-30-2013 02:02 AM)jml2010 Wrote:  

(12-30-2013 01:54 AM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  

(12-30-2013 12:05 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-29-2013 11:45 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  

(12-29-2013 11:31 PM)FreshPrinceOfDarkness Wrote:  Not sure what that means but, either way, Texans don't care about the SEC beyond the occasional interesting matchup, just like any other conference not B12. At least in DFW, it's all Big 12 + A&M. I remember before the 2013 CFB season started, Corby on The Ticket said, "Aggie fans. Let's get this out of the way. Texas is still a Big 12 state so that's what we will be talking about most of the time when it comes to CFB. So, if you Aggies want to complain or ***** to our management that we don't cover the SEC adequately, please do so today and get it over with." He didn't even mean it to be taken rudely. Just matter of fact.

In DFW, you are correct. In Houston, if the Big 12 survives and I hope it doesn't, we need Tech and Texas to get back to 08 & 09 levels. Our 2 schools winning will beat anything that aggy has to offer in Houston. That being said, aggy caught lightning in a bottle and has done well with UT and Tech being down and that has been proven in the most recent Houston TV ratings. JR thinks it is possible for the SEC to add the Texoma 4 which I sincerely doubt, but adding those 4 schools would definitely make Texas a true SEC state in all regions

The SEC seemed quite willing to consider adding 4 (even 5 discussed) schools to gain Virginia and North Carolina. Those two states give us 60% of what Texahoma delivers and they don't have two teams in the top 10 in profitability and only 2 of those schools could be considered football first schools. All 4 of Texahoma are football first schools.

Should the SEC decide to go after Texas and Oklahoma of course they will try to land just the two of them first. But considering the remaining markets consider this. Oklahoma and Texas together deliver 30 million viewers. A&M has given us a considerable piece of Texas but nowhere near what the top 3 publics give the SEC in terms of product, financial and political advantage within the State.

Texas and Oklahoma are #1 & #7 in profitability. The SEC has 4 others already in the top 10. Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Texas Tech, outdraw North Carolina, N.C. State and Virginia in average crowd and it's not really close. Only Virginia Tech meets that benchmark. Texahoma travels well to games. The Virginia and Carolina schools less so. The kind of division that would be formed out of Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Arkansas, and Missouri would essentially be the grafting of the best of the Old Big 12 (minus Nebraska) into the top football conference in the nation, which possesses the best viewership in the nation, and which could with the inclusion of those 4 quite easily out earn every conference in the nation.

Texas is a research giant. They don't need the CIC anymore than Virginia or the Research Triangle schools do. Everyone they truly care about playing would be right there in their division, plus the Aggies in the same conference.

Logistically, economically, culturally, and familiarly, I don't see why anyone would think the notion foreign. Would it be more or less of a stretch to see that than to see Texahoma in the PAC? or to see Texas and Oklahoma split from their long standing little brothers for a foray into the Big 10? I think those are questions to ponder.

JRsec when it comes to product, financial and political advantage within the state of Texas, Baylor is well ahead of Tech.

Poor baylor. The only school that threatened to sue when aggy left. Texas didn't, OU didn't and Texas Tech didn't.

If Baylor was so well thought of, they wouldn't have ken star parading around like an idiot. Baylor belongs in the aac with houston and smu. Crappy fan base that only shows up in their best season in years. Congrats on finally removing the tarp.

Enjoy the Fiesta against Central freaking Florida. That will be a TV ratings bonanza. Now leave and let big boys talk.

Poor Tech, trying to make it sound like Baylor threatened to sue the SEC but it never happened. Show an article stating that is what happened I will drop it. The only article you have referenced was one stating that Baylor was the ring leader of a group of schools including KU, KSU, ISU, and Mizzou that were refusing to sign away their right to sue due to the fact it looked like they would be without a conference. Tech was apart of that group until Texas said what the hell we need a 4th for this PAC move and Baylor's football isn't good enough so lets take Tech, the 4th best in the state. You might laugh but if the PAC wants Texas and OU as bad as they claim, they would take Baylor if that is what it would take to make the deal work and overlook any religious issues they may have.

Baylor and their crappy fan base out sold Tech in Holiday bowl ticket sales and this year has quadrupled Tech's bowl game ticket sales. What was your excuse in another thread on why that was? Oh yeah, Tech fans don't want to travel all that way to watch a game their team is going to lose. That is some hard core fans you have there.

Remind me again which BCS bowl game Tech has played in, because I can't seem to find one. I will enjoy the Fiesta Bowl, it should be a good one. It gives me another chance to watch the Big 12 champs, Baylor, play this year. Funny, that is something your big boy Tech program has never been able to say about their football team.

(12-30-2013 02:02 AM)jml2010 Wrote:  

(12-30-2013 01:54 AM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  

(12-30-2013 12:05 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-29-2013 11:45 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  

(12-29-2013 11:31 PM)FreshPrinceOfDarkness Wrote:  Not sure what that means but, either way, Texans don't care about the SEC beyond the occasional interesting matchup, just like any other conference not B12. At least in DFW, it's all Big 12 + A&M. I remember before the 2013 CFB season started, Corby on The Ticket said, "Aggie fans. Let's get this out of the way. Texas is still a Big 12 state so that's what we will be talking about most of the time when it comes to CFB. So, if you Aggies want to complain or ***** to our management that we don't cover the SEC adequately, please do so today and get it over with." He didn't even mean it to be taken rudely. Just matter of fact.

In DFW, you are correct. In Houston, if the Big 12 survives and I hope it doesn't, we need Tech and Texas to get back to 08 & 09 levels. Our 2 schools winning will beat anything that aggy has to offer in Houston. That being said, aggy caught lightning in a bottle and has done well with UT and Tech being down and that has been proven in the most recent Houston TV ratings. JR thinks it is possible for the SEC to add the Texoma 4 which I sincerely doubt, but adding those 4 schools would definitely make Texas a true SEC state in all regions

The SEC seemed quite willing to consider adding 4 (even 5 discussed) schools to gain Virginia and North Carolina. Those two states give us 60% of what Texahoma delivers and they don't have two teams in the top 10 in profitability and only 2 of those schools could be considered football first schools. All 4 of Texahoma are football first schools.

Should the SEC decide to go after Texas and Oklahoma of course they will try to land just the two of them first. But considering the remaining markets consider this. Oklahoma and Texas together deliver 30 million viewers. A&M has given us a considerable piece of Texas but nowhere near what the top 3 publics give the SEC in terms of product, financial and political advantage within the State.

Texas and Oklahoma are #1 & #7 in profitability. The SEC has 4 others already in the top 10. Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Texas Tech, outdraw North Carolina, N.C. State and Virginia in average crowd and it's not really close. Only Virginia Tech meets that benchmark. Texahoma travels well to games. The Virginia and Carolina schools less so. The kind of division that would be formed out of Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Arkansas, and Missouri would essentially be the grafting of the best of the Old Big 12 (minus Nebraska) into the top football conference in the nation, which possesses the best viewership in the nation, and which could with the inclusion of those 4 quite easily out earn every conference in the nation.

Texas is a research giant. They don't need the CIC anymore than Virginia or the Research Triangle schools do. Everyone they truly care about playing would be right there in their division, plus the Aggies in the same conference.

Logistically, economically, culturally, and familiarly, I don't see why anyone would think the notion foreign. Would it be more or less of a stretch to see that than to see Texahoma in the PAC? or to see Texas and Oklahoma split from their long standing little brothers for a foray into the Big 10? I think those are questions to ponder.

JRsec when it comes to product, financial and political advantage within the state of Texas, Baylor is well ahead of Tech.

Poor baylor. The only school that threatened to sue when aggy left. Texas didn't, OU didn't and Texas Tech didn't.

If Baylor was so well thought of, they wouldn't have ken star parading around like an idiot. Baylor belongs in the aac with houston and smu. Crappy fan base that only shows up in their best season in years. Congrats on finally removing the tarp.

Enjoy the Fiesta against Central freaking Florida. That will be a TV ratings bonanza. Now leave and let big boys talk.

It's a good thing "Central freaking Florida" didn't play your douchebags at tx. tech, We would have handed you another loss. Can you say BCS bowl? Central freaking Florida is the 2nd largest University in Country moron, they've been playing Div 1A football since 1996, and yet your still talking about them. Just another attempt by an internet loser to put down another team in order to make his team seem better than it is. Dude, that tactic is so overused. Grow up and learn to root for Big time football, either Texas or A&M. Tech will always be an after-thought in football to fans on a national basis.

(12-30-2013 08:29 AM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  

(12-30-2013 02:02 AM)jml2010 Wrote:  

(12-30-2013 01:54 AM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  

(12-30-2013 12:05 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-29-2013 11:45 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  In DFW, you are correct. In Houston, if the Big 12 survives and I hope it doesn't, we need Tech and Texas to get back to 08 & 09 levels. Our 2 schools winning will beat anything that aggy has to offer in Houston. That being said, aggy caught lightning in a bottle and has done well with UT and Tech being down and that has been proven in the most recent Houston TV ratings. JR thinks it is possible for the SEC to add the Texoma 4 which I sincerely doubt, but adding those 4 schools would definitely make Texas a true SEC state in all regions

The SEC seemed quite willing to consider adding 4 (even 5 discussed) schools to gain Virginia and North Carolina. Those two states give us 60% of what Texahoma delivers and they don't have two teams in the top 10 in profitability and only 2 of those schools could be considered football first schools. All 4 of Texahoma are football first schools.

Should the SEC decide to go after Texas and Oklahoma of course they will try to land just the two of them first. But considering the remaining markets consider this. Oklahoma and Texas together deliver 30 million viewers. A&M has given us a considerable piece of Texas but nowhere near what the top 3 publics give the SEC in terms of product, financial and political advantage within the State.

Texas and Oklahoma are #1 & #7 in profitability. The SEC has 4 others already in the top 10. Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Texas Tech, outdraw North Carolina, N.C. State and Virginia in average crowd and it's not really close. Only Virginia Tech meets that benchmark. Texahoma travels well to games. The Virginia and Carolina schools less so. The kind of division that would be formed out of Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Arkansas, and Missouri would essentially be the grafting of the best of the Old Big 12 (minus Nebraska) into the top football conference in the nation, which possesses the best viewership in the nation, and which could with the inclusion of those 4 quite easily out earn every conference in the nation.

Texas is a research giant. They don't need the CIC anymore than Virginia or the Research Triangle schools do. Everyone they truly care about playing would be right there in their division, plus the Aggies in the same conference.

Logistically, economically, culturally, and familiarly, I don't see why anyone would think the notion foreign. Would it be more or less of a stretch to see that than to see Texahoma in the PAC? or to see Texas and Oklahoma split from their long standing little brothers for a foray into the Big 10? I think those are questions to ponder.

JRsec when it comes to product, financial and political advantage within the state of Texas, Baylor is well ahead of Tech.

Poor baylor. The only school that threatened to sue when aggy left. Texas didn't, OU didn't and Texas Tech didn't.

If Baylor was so well thought of, they wouldn't have ken star parading around like an idiot. Baylor belongs in the aac with houston and smu. Crappy fan base that only shows up in their best season in years. Congrats on finally removing the tarp.

Enjoy the Fiesta against Central freaking Florida. That will be a TV ratings bonanza. Now leave and let big boys talk.

Poor Tech, trying to make it sound like Baylor threatened to sue the SEC but it never happened. Show an article stating that is what happened I will drop it. The only article you have referenced was one stating that Baylor was the ring leader of a group of schools including KU, KSU, ISU, and Mizzou that were refusing to sign away their right to sue due to the fact it looked like they would be without a conference. Tech was apart of that group until Texas said what the hell we need a 4th for this PAC move and Baylor's football isn't good enough so lets take Tech, the 4th best in the state. You might laugh but if the PAC wants Texas and OU as bad as they claim, they would take Baylor if that is what it would take to make the deal work and overlook any religious issues they may have.

Baylor and their crappy fan base out sold Tech in Holiday bowl ticket sales and this year has quadrupled Tech's bowl game ticket sales. What was your excuse in another thread on why that was? Oh yeah, Tech fans don't want to travel all that way to watch a game their team is going to lose. That is some hard core fans you have there.

Remind me again which BCS bowl game Tech has played in, because I can't seem to find one. I will enjoy the Fiesta Bowl, it should be a good one. It gives me another chance to watch the Big 12 champs, Baylor, play this year. Funny, that is something your big boy Tech program has never been able to say about their football team.

My recollection is that the SEC asked Baylor to sign a waiver of claims against the SEC and Baylor declined. Baylor had no obligation to waive its claims. I'm sure some folks characterized this as "threatening to sue," but that would be a gross exageration because Baylor had absolutely no reason to waive its claims if it did not want to. In a commercial setting, it would not be unusual for a party receiving such a request to make a demand for something of reasonable value as a condition of providing such a waiver (referred to as a "hold up"). It was really a case of the SEC being overly cautious. If the SEC had any balls, they would have invited TAMU without requiring these waivers. Because the SEC wanted this absolute assurance that it would never be sued they gave Baylor leverage, which they used in discussions regarding salvaging the Big 12.

(12-29-2013 07:35 PM)Lurker Above Wrote:  Aggies edge past Longhorns in Texas popularity contest.

A recent survey by Public Policy Polling found 22 percent of Texas voters identified themselves as Aggies sports fans, compared with 20 percent who declared their loyalty for the Longhorns.

http://dallas.culturemap.com/news/sports...ge-sports/

We've discussed this poll before. This same polling group did the same poll a year ago in Texas and several other states. Baylor was 3rd and Houston 4th. There is going to be some margin of error in a 500 person telephone poll, but it is a statistically valid way to sample opinion.

The Houston Chronicle ran a similar poll geared only to pro and college sports back in 2001. Harris and Ft Bend Counties were sampled. In this region at that time, as many people cared about UH as did UT, and both were slightly more than A&M. All three were significantly ahead of Rice, Tech and Baylor. TCU did not register.

If the Chronicle ran the same poll again today, I would suspect that A&M would lead the area with Texas and UH running a close 2nd and 3rd. TCU would register on the scale now, but TCU, Tech, Baylor and Rice would all be significantly behind A&M, UT and UH.

(12-30-2013 01:49 AM)jml2010 Wrote:  Raise your hand if your graduated from a Big 12 Texas school?

Raise your hand if you ride the coattails of an SEC school that wouldn't sniff your application?

Just to clarify, Bullet and I have degrees from Big 12 Texas schools. The aggy t-shirt fan doesn't.

By all means, continue on with your t-shirt aggy agenda. JR thinks it is possible for the Texoma 4 to join the SEC which will mean your little experiment failed.

Like I told Jr, the SEC is bad fit for Tech but kicking the crap out of aggy like we have done the past 40-50 years would be well worth it. True aggy and t-shirt aggy are against it despite their 3 year winning streak but nothing beats Tech-A&M in the state of Texas. The hatred we have for each other is unmatched. LSU, Arkansas, Alabama will never achieve the the hate that we have for aggy and vice versa. Aggy wants Texas but they have Oklahoma. Aggy wants LSU but they have Arkansas.

Tech-Aggy is a hate filled contest. Friends from both schools hate each other and hope the other fails. Like I said, Tech is a bad fit for the SEC but I enjoyed walking on the grass at the MSC, I enjoyed telling freshman corp turds to STFU when they told me to uncover. Tech-Aggy is true hatred(not in the alabama-auburn way) but sincere hate for those miniscule dweebs.

Watching 70k thousand walk out of gomer pyle after another loss to little ole Tech was priceless. I enjoyed it in 96, 98, 02, 06 and 08 in what was supposed to be a tough place to win.

Come on Slive, realize you only have a little sliver of East Texas and invite the Texoma 4. We won't kill each other or destroy a tree but you will get TV ratings galore in Houston when Tech-Aggy meet.

Awwwwwwwwwwwww!

Its sweet you miss us so much!

(12-29-2013 10:27 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  

(12-29-2013 10:17 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(12-29-2013 10:12 PM)BIgCatonProwl Wrote:  

(12-29-2013 09:50 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  

(12-29-2013 09:40 PM)BIgCatonProwl Wrote:  Point on. People in Texas know UH athletic program football, basketball etc ., are far more successful and storied than Tech's. Just a simple fact.

Yet because of your low attendance numbers, you will always remain 5th fiddle in your own hometown. Enjoy the aac.

Better keep hoping they keep us out of the B12, if they don't that will make Tech athletics even more insignificant.

Would be fun to see Cinnci light up Tech

Pony, you and I are buds and I know you're trolling for the sake of trolling. Congrats. The river fraud has no desire playing Big 12 opponents, we all saw how he fared coaching in the Big 12. That being said, Kliff and most of the tech fan base would love a shot at Cincy but they are skeered. Instead, we will play Arkansas and Arizona St in the future.

Let's be clear about one thing: UC isn't 'scared' to play anyone, especially not a middle of the road Big 12 team in Tech. UC is playing at Ohio St and at Miami next season.

JML & 10th, If you guys enjoy the taunts, and it is well established by now that you do, take that aspect of your discussion to the PM system and spare the board your taunts. Especially spare them if you are going to insult Central Florida and Cincinnati fans in the process. This behavior derails the discussion aspect of the thread. It will not be tolerated.

Others Mods before me have had to discuss this with you. They did it in the PM system. Since you persist publicly to carry on your exchanges that wreak of smack, outside of the smack board or spin room, then I want everyone reading the thread who wants to join in on this behavior (which is outside of the bounds of the CS&CR board) to know that hereafter warning points will be assessed to anyone who chooses to chime in in like manner.

I like both of you guys and enjoy your posts and your zeal for your respective schools, but I'm not going to let you hijack yet another thread with these shenanigans. JR

(12-29-2013 07:44 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(12-29-2013 07:37 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I think the bigger surprise is Houston and Baylor being more popular than Tech...

This thread is about to get ugly.

It got ugly. Hehehehehe!!!

(12-29-2013 10:07 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-29-2013 10:01 PM)S11 Wrote:  

(12-29-2013 09:31 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-29-2013 09:07 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  This year's ratings

Quote:
UT-BYU ............. 0.8 ..... 1,290,000
UT-Ole Miss ........ 0.1 ..... 130,000 (LHN)
UT-ISU ............. 1.5 ..... 2,400,000
UT-OU .............. 3.0, .... 4,710,000
UT-TCU ... ……..0.4, .... 676,000
UT-KU .............. 0.1 ..... 130,000 (LHN)
UT-WVU ............. 1.5 ..... 2,650,000
UT-OSU ............. 1.4 ..... 2,190,000
UT-Tech ............ 0.7 ..... 1,050,000

A&M-Rice ........... 2.7 ..... 4,200,000
A&M-'Bama .......... 8.5 ... 13,590,000
A&M-SMU ............ 0.5 ..... 809,000
A&M-Arky ........... 1.7 ..... 2,760,000
A&M-Ole Miss ....... 3.2 ..... 5,110,000
A&M-Auburn ......... 4.2 ..... 6,730,000
A&M-UTEP ........... 0.7 ..... 1,120,000
A&M-MSU ............ 2.9 ..... 4,530,000
A&M-LSU ............ 4.8 ..... 8,140,000
A&M-Mizzou ......... 3.6 ..... 5,730,000

Average share:

A&M ...... 3.28
UT ...... 1.06

Total viewers:

A&M ...... 52,719,000
UT ...... 15,181,000

Excellent post 10th! If nothing else it proves that the Big 12 spin doctors have a long way to go to put a Texas load of kittie litter on the data gathered by the pollsters and by your data listed above. If I could give you any more rep points I would.

1- The Texas data is pretty skewed by 3 things on tv ratings:
a- Texas in a down year vs A&M's most anticipated year in decades
b- LHN dropping numbers down for 3 UT games including the best noncon home game
c- FSN, FS1, FOX vs ESPN. Newer and lesser networks don't do as well as ESPN even when simply comparing the Big 12 and Pac12 against itself on each network.
d- A HUGE matchup before A&M's season slipped off against Bama that was hyped all offseason due to Bama's 3 national titles in 4 years.

A&M had a better year and more eyeballs this year, but the reality of it is much much less than these numbers imply despite how much the aggy and anti-b12 crowd wish it were different.

Let me get this straight S11. We are not to believe the actual raw data, but we are to believe what the Big 12 apologists tell us to believe? "Pay no attention to the man (Bear) behind the curtain." "I am the great and powerful Wizard of Oz (apologist for a failing Texas)! It is what it is, and at the time that is most current. Nothing more, nothing less.

Now you are just trolling. Do you honestly think that the networks played on, differences in early season momentum, and a lame duck coach for UT aren't going to amplify things in A&Ms favor? You must be naive or joking.

Furthermore relying on that data to act like they have pulled even in fanbase strength is laughable.

(12-30-2013 10:31 AM)orangefan Wrote:  

(12-30-2013 08:29 AM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  

(12-30-2013 02:02 AM)jml2010 Wrote:  

(12-30-2013 01:54 AM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  

(12-30-2013 12:05 AM)JRsec Wrote:  The SEC seemed quite willing to consider adding 4 (even 5 discussed) schools to gain Virginia and North Carolina. Those two states give us 60% of what Texahoma delivers and they don't have two teams in the top 10 in profitability and only 2 of those schools could be considered football first schools. All 4 of Texahoma are football first schools.

Should the SEC decide to go after Texas and Oklahoma of course they will try to land just the two of them first. But considering the remaining markets consider this. Oklahoma and Texas together deliver 30 million viewers. A&M has given us a considerable piece of Texas but nowhere near what the top 3 publics give the SEC in terms of product, financial and political advantage within the State.

Texas and Oklahoma are #1 & #7 in profitability. The SEC has 4 others already in the top 10. Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Texas Tech, outdraw North Carolina, N.C. State and Virginia in average crowd and it's not really close. Only Virginia Tech meets that benchmark. Texahoma travels well to games. The Virginia and Carolina schools less so. The kind of division that would be formed out of Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Arkansas, and Missouri would essentially be the grafting of the best of the Old Big 12 (minus Nebraska) into the top football conference in the nation, which possesses the best viewership in the nation, and which could with the inclusion of those 4 quite easily out earn every conference in the nation.

Texas is a research giant. They don't need the CIC anymore than Virginia or the Research Triangle schools do. Everyone they truly care about playing would be right there in their division, plus the Aggies in the same conference.

Logistically, economically, culturally, and familiarly, I don't see why anyone would think the notion foreign. Would it be more or less of a stretch to see that than to see Texahoma in the PAC? or to see Texas and Oklahoma split from their long standing little brothers for a foray into the Big 10? I think those are questions to ponder.

JRsec when it comes to product, financial and political advantage within the state of Texas, Baylor is well ahead of Tech.

Poor baylor. The only school that threatened to sue when aggy left. Texas didn't, OU didn't and Texas Tech didn't.

If Baylor was so well thought of, they wouldn't have ken star parading around like an idiot. Baylor belongs in the aac with houston and smu. Crappy fan base that only shows up in their best season in years. Congrats on finally removing the tarp.

Enjoy the Fiesta against Central freaking Florida. That will be a TV ratings bonanza. Now leave and let big boys talk.

Poor Tech, trying to make it sound like Baylor threatened to sue the SEC but it never happened. Show an article stating that is what happened I will drop it. The only article you have referenced was one stating that Baylor was the ring leader of a group of schools including KU, KSU, ISU, and Mizzou that were refusing to sign away their right to sue due to the fact it looked like they would be without a conference. Tech was apart of that group until Texas said what the hell we need a 4th for this PAC move and Baylor's football isn't good enough so lets take Tech, the 4th best in the state. You might laugh but if the PAC wants Texas and OU as bad as they claim, they would take Baylor if that is what it would take to make the deal work and overlook any religious issues they may have.

Baylor and their crappy fan base out sold Tech in Holiday bowl ticket sales and this year has quadrupled Tech's bowl game ticket sales. What was your excuse in another thread on why that was? Oh yeah, Tech fans don't want to travel all that way to watch a game their team is going to lose. That is some hard core fans you have there.

Remind me again which BCS bowl game Tech has played in, because I can't seem to find one. I will enjoy the Fiesta Bowl, it should be a good one. It gives me another chance to watch the Big 12 champs, Baylor, play this year. Funny, that is something your big boy Tech program has never been able to say about their football team.

My recollection is that the SEC asked Baylor to sign a waiver of claims against the SEC and Baylor declined. Baylor had no obligation to waive its claims. I'm sure some folks characterized this as "threatening to sue," but that would be a gross exageration because Baylor had absolutely no reason to waive its claims if it did not want to. In a commercial setting, it would not be unusual for a party receiving such a request to make a demand for something of reasonable value as a condition of providing such a waiver (referred to as a "hold up"). It was really a case of the SEC being overly cautious. If the SEC had any balls, they would have invited TAMU without requiring these waivers. Because the SEC wanted this absolute assurance that it would never be sued they gave Baylor leverage, which they used in discussions regarding salvaging the Big 12.

Orange fan nailed it. Bu had the potential of falling to a much less lucrative league and the SEC was asking BU to waive all legal recourse to a 100mm contract over the next decade with NO compensation. Only a fool signs that in that circumstance no matter how much flack a school 90 miles away throws at you in the media.

I wouldn't throw stones about the media after the painfully transparent and self serving "Don't Mess With Texas Football" campaign.