(12-30-2013 06:24 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Could, sure. I just don't see it as very likely in today's landscape.

I think one thing basketball will always have going in it's favor is the NCAA Championship format. Win your league and/or conference championship and you're in the tournament with a chance (albeit small) of being the National Champion. The Bearcats have the facilities to support a top tier basketball program especially if the arena is re-done or is upgraded.

Football will continue to be handicapped without P5 affiliation; I believe Cincinnati will remain relevant under the current leadership.

So now we're telling recruits and large donors were going to B12. Better be true you can't afford to lose credibility with those groups.

(12-29-2013 12:33 PM)bearcat14 Wrote:  All this did was confirm that Butch Jones was one of the most inept and weak recruiter as was his MO when he got to UC...First "car wash" he went through up in Bristol was all telling. He fumed over the pundits asking over and over about winning with BK's recruits....Now we are entering the Jones era, and you'll notice Tubbs has never thrown any of his kids under the bus ala BJ.
Dan Enos went through the same crap after he followed jones at CMU..Total rebuild.
Butchers famous quote of his inherited team after going 4-8 the first year and taking an absolute wrecking ball to the program "I was left a empty bare cupboard"
What a douche ! He only had about 10 guys who played ,or are still playing in the NFL!
Tubbs has to get the Johnnies and joes for his scheme, and he'll bring UC back to where it should be for a great debut at the rebuilt NIP.
And for what it's worth Gran hopefully learned a lot from this season, because there's room to grow..His first year as O Cord was sub- par.

Jones was the best recruiter UC has had and its not close. It's hilarious how obsessed some of you still are over him. This UC roster is by far the best that any coach at UC has inherited and it isn't even remotely close. There is no total rebuild whatsoever. UC had at least 10 or 11 win talent this year and UC will have a very healthy roster for at least 2 more seasons.

(12-30-2013 08:59 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  So now we're telling recruits and large donors were going to B12. Better be true you can't afford to lose credibility with those groups.

I agree. I'd be very disappointed (actually more than disappointed I'd be pi$$ed) if UC's coaches and athletics administrators were lying to recruits and donors. They'd better have an invite or if it was a promise, it had better materialize.

Word of this will leak out (it always does) and UC will have serious egg on their faces and explaining to do.

Fingers crossed.

(12-30-2013 09:31 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(12-30-2013 08:59 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  So now we're telling recruits and large donors were going to B12. Better be true you can't afford to lose credibility with those groups.

I agree. I'd be very disappointed (actually more than disappointed I'd be pi$$ed) if UC's coaches and athletics administrators were lying to recruits and donors. They'd better have an invite or if it was a promise, it had better materialize.

Word of this will leak out (it always does) and UC will have serious egg on their faces and explaining to do.

Fingers crossed.

Totally agree with you guys on this. I wont be surprised one bit if they are lying about this.

(12-30-2013 08:59 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  So now we're telling recruits and large donors were going to B12. Better be true you can't afford to lose credibility with those groups.

Agreed; hope these aren't recycled rumors as tired as the leftover Christmas ham on December 30. Remember, there was "insider" buzz about an ACC invite for UC right before Louisville was chosen last year.

Are we a better candidate school today? Absolutely. I'm in the camp that believes no matter how beautiful and historic Nippert is; with just 35,000 seats and no private box revenue stream, UC wasn't going to be taken seriously by any P5. As others here have stated, the speed at which that capital project sailed through the board and construction began suggests it was atop the "to do" list for an invite from either the B12 or ACC. If that was our capstone, UC is better positioned now than at anytime in our proud history.

(12-30-2013 09:32 AM)Marcus Wrote:  

(12-30-2013 09:31 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(12-30-2013 08:59 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  So now we're telling recruits and large donors were going to B12. Better be true you can't afford to lose credibility with those groups.

I agree. I'd be very disappointed (actually more than disappointed I'd be pi$$ed) if UC's coaches and athletics administrators were lying to recruits and donors. They'd better have an invite or if it was a promise, it had better materialize.

Word of this will leak out (it always does) and UC will have serious egg on their faces and explaining to do.

Fingers crossed.

Totally agree with you guys on this. I wont be surprised one bit if they are lying about this.

Until it's proven otherwise, I will give CTT and his staff the benefit of the doubt that they have integrity and would not lie to recruits about changing conferences. Has this even been substantiated that coaches were telling recruits this?

(12-30-2013 09:23 AM)Marcus Wrote:  

(12-29-2013 12:33 PM)bearcat14 Wrote:  All this did was confirm that Butch Jones was one of the most inept and weak recruiter as was his MO when he got to UC...First "car wash" he went through up in Bristol was all telling. He fumed over the pundits asking over and over about winning with BK's recruits....Now we are entering the Jones era, and you'll notice Tubbs has never thrown any of his kids under the bus ala BJ.
Dan Enos went through the same crap after he followed jones at CMU..Total rebuild.
Butchers famous quote of his inherited team after going 4-8 the first year and taking an absolute wrecking ball to the program "I was left a empty bare cupboard"
What a douche ! He only had about 10 guys who played ,or are still playing in the NFL!
Tubbs has to get the Johnnies and joes for his scheme, and he'll bring UC back to where it should be for a great debut at the rebuilt NIP.
And for what it's worth Gran hopefully learned a lot from this season, because there's room to grow..His first year as O Cord was sub- par.

Jones was the best recruiter UC has had and its not close. It's hilarious how obsessed some of you still are over him. This UC roster is by far the best that any coach at UC has inherited and it isn't even remotely close. There is no total rebuild whatsoever. UC had at least 10 or 11 win talent this year and UC will have a very healthy roster for at least 2 more seasons.

OMG ! Talk about delusional ! Look at the starters on both sides of the ball minus the JUCOS, and transfers and tell us who your referring to ?
With emphasis on the lineman please.

IMO Jones was a solid recruiter. If Jones had stayed the talent would have been fine for the scheme he employed. However, the talent on hand does not match what Tuberville and Co. want to do. A Summary:


Receivers (Jones): Jones liked smallish WR’s who ran precise routes.
Receivers (Tuberville): The current staff want tall receivers who can stretch the field.
Running game: The prior offensive staff employed stretch run plays whereas the bread and butter of the current regime is the inside handoff. It takes different types of backs and linemen to make those things work.
Defensive Front Seven (Jones): Under Jones, the front seven applied pressure from the linebackers. The DL recruited by Jones were smaller in nature.
Defensive Front Seven (Tuberville): The current regime want pressure applied from the front 4. They want big bodies who will smack their opponent in the mouth and close gaps. Since the big boys will be applying the pressure, this frees room for the linebackers to cover.
Secondary (Jones): Short DB’s.
Secondary (Tuberville): Tuberville likes taller DB’s who can also run stride for stride with opposing WR’s. It appears this staff has recruited several tall receivers this year who will likely be flipped to the secondary.

(12-30-2013 09:50 AM)bearcat14 Wrote:  

(12-30-2013 09:23 AM)Marcus Wrote:  

(12-29-2013 12:33 PM)bearcat14 Wrote:  All this did was confirm that Butch Jones was one of the most inept and weak recruiter as was his MO when he got to UC...First "car wash" he went through up in Bristol was all telling. He fumed over the pundits asking over and over about winning with BK's recruits....Now we are entering the Jones era, and you'll notice Tubbs has never thrown any of his kids under the bus ala BJ.
Dan Enos went through the same crap after he followed jones at CMU..Total rebuild.
Butchers famous quote of his inherited team after going 4-8 the first year and taking an absolute wrecking ball to the program "I was left a empty bare cupboard"
What a douche ! He only had about 10 guys who played ,or are still playing in the NFL!
Tubbs has to get the Johnnies and joes for his scheme, and he'll bring UC back to where it should be for a great debut at the rebuilt NIP.
And for what it's worth Gran hopefully learned a lot from this season, because there's room to grow..His first year as O Cord was sub- par.

Jones was the best recruiter UC has had and its not close. It's hilarious how obsessed some of you still are over him. This UC roster is by far the best that any coach at UC has inherited and it isn't even remotely close. There is no total rebuild whatsoever. UC had at least 10 or 11 win talent this year and UC will have a very healthy roster for at least 2 more seasons.

OMG ! Talk about delusional ! Look at the starters on both sides of the ball minus the JUCOS, and transfers and tell us who your referring to ?
With emphasis on the lineman please.

I did. The roster is plenty good. Mouhon, Stepp, LeFeld, Ehinger, Bond, all of those guys are good to solid players. They abosutely had 10-11 win talent on this roster. Again, this is not a total rebuilding job whatsoever like you are saying. There was a ton of talent left over on the roster, far better than what Jones and Kelly inherited in their first years.

(12-30-2013 05:45 AM)Crewdogz Wrote:  

Quote:To be fair, my expectations for Mick and the basketball squad while in this conference are not off the charts either (file under solid showing, but nothing exceptional).

UC dominated CUSA and were a national program consistently ranked in the top 20; why cant UC do something similar in the American?

The difference is then we had Huggins. Now we have Cronin.

we are talking about jones who right now has a class ranked by 247 as #3 in the nation. regardless of how you feel about rankings you dont get to #3 by not being able to recruit...say its 20 spots lower, that is still top 25. i dont like how jones left but the guy could recruit. think about the players he almost had signed that we just missed on because things changed at another school at the last minute. the browns at louisville, black and norfleet at michigan. i know im missing a lot more.

(12-29-2013 04:04 PM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  

(12-29-2013 03:35 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(12-29-2013 12:36 PM)RedRocker Wrote:  

(12-29-2013 12:06 PM)bearcat14 Wrote:  BJ. Sub ...I pm you guys heard some interesting scoop after the game

Don't leave the rest of us hanging.....

Some of he George Smith crowd in Charlotte were whispering about impending B12 invite rumblings coming out of the upper end of the ADs Office this weekend during cocktail hour. We shall see if that is founded in fact or hope.

At this point a Big XII invite would be very good news for the fan base. We might have to get used to a few 6-6 and 7-5 types seasons but I am more concerned now the with awfulness that is American basketball.

Is george smith credible typically in theze type if matters. I mean is he the one that has important information

(12-30-2013 09:56 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  IMO Jones was a solid recruiter. If Jones had stayed the talent would have been fine for the scheme he employed. However, the talent on hand does not match what Tuberville and Co. want to do. A Summary:


Receivers (Jones): Jones liked smallish WR’s who ran precise routes.
Receivers (Tuberville): The current staff want tall receivers who can stretch the field.
Running game: The prior offensive staff employed stretch run plays whereas the bread and butter of the current regime is the inside handoff. It takes different types of backs and linemen to make those things work.
Defensive Front Seven (Jones): Under Jones, the front seven applied pressure from the linebackers. The DL recruited by Jones were smaller in nature.
Defensive Front Seven (Tuberville): The current regime want pressure applied from the front 4. They want big bodies who will smack their opponent in the mouth and close gaps. Since the big boys will be applying the pressure, this frees room for the linebackers to cover.
Secondary (Jones): Short DB’s.
Secondary (Tuberville): Tuberville likes taller DB’s who can also run stride for stride with opposing WR’s. It appears this staff has recruited several tall receivers this year who will likely be flipped to the secondary.

Good comparison/analysis.

I agree with you completely. We need to keep supporting this team, they won nine games and good recruiting class for next year. Have we forgotten the dark days when we had to buy football tickets to get basketball. When people gave football tickets away for a beer. When we got excited for a 3 star recruit. When we had to promise a basketball game in Idaho to get invited to that stupid bowl, and we were happy to do it. When playing Miami was a tough gamer. I am fully behind this coaching staff and happy to have CTT. I will be keeping my season tickets.

(12-29-2013 09:19 AM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  We will renew our season tickets again. I get tired of the overreaction to every loss or big win and wish fans of all teams were level headed.

The team started slow in just about game that mattered this season, the coaching staff early in the season did not implement a scheme that put our players in position to win games, this group struggled away from Nippert outside of a two games late in the season, and our special steams were awful.

On the flip side this coaching still won nine games in their first season including two solid wins on the road against Rutgers and Houston, this coaching staff adjusted midway through the season and the offense started to click, this team had enough injuries throughout the year that would have crippled most teams, its difficult to win a bowl game with a makeshift offensive line, and this coaching overcame a tragedy with class and grace.

Overall its fair to be critical of this team but you can't forget the good with the bad. I think Tommy T is a great face of the program; however, I do have my concerns going forward. I feel this team can compete in the American next season but they to improve if they want to be compete with Ohio State and Miami (fl) on the road next season.

(12-30-2013 10:09 AM)rosewater Wrote:  

(12-29-2013 04:04 PM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  

(12-29-2013 03:35 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(12-29-2013 12:36 PM)RedRocker Wrote:  

(12-29-2013 12:06 PM)bearcat14 Wrote:  BJ. Sub ...I pm you guys heard some interesting scoop after the game

Don't leave the rest of us hanging.....

Some of he George Smith crowd in Charlotte were whispering about impending B12 invite rumblings coming out of the upper end of the ADs Office this weekend during cocktail hour. We shall see if that is founded in fact or hope.

At this point a Big XII invite would be very good news for the fan base. We might have to get used to a few 6-6 and 7-5 types seasons but I am more concerned now the with awfulness that is American basketball.

Is george smith credible typically in theze type if matters. I mean is he the one that has important information

George Smith Society members are the big money donors, the ones who yearly donate at least $25K, the amount equal to an out of state scholarship.

(12-30-2013 05:45 AM)Crewdogz Wrote:  

Quote:To be fair, my expectations for Mick and the basketball squad while in this conference are not off the charts either (file under solid showing, but nothing exceptional).

UC dominated CUSA and were a national program consistently ranked in the top 20; why cant UC do something similar in the American?

I think we can. With last year's class which is looking really good, and next year's class, which also looks very good, we are going to be at the top of the conference over at least the next several years.

(12-30-2013 10:05 AM)dossbig Wrote:  

(12-30-2013 05:45 AM)Crewdogz Wrote:  

Quote:To be fair, my expectations for Mick and the basketball squad while in this conference are not off the charts either (file under solid showing, but nothing exceptional).

UC dominated CUSA and were a national program consistently ranked in the top 20; why cant UC do something similar in the American?

The difference is then we had Huggins. Now we have Cronin.

Cronin's a darn good coach. My biggest worry surrounding basketball is that the athletic department has stop scheduling RPI killers in the non-conference because the American isn't what I thought it was going to be in basketball. Actually the NCAA selection committee needs to get away from the RPI as a selection tool.

Yes this all goes back to money and the ability to offer a higher payout to get better teams into the arena.

I still feel good about the football program too. If you compare the last few years to BK's 34-6 record it fall shorts; however, he had a few clunkers too outside of his 12-0 season. The Orange Bowl team was blown out at UConn, while his first season suffered losses to very average Louisville (Krags) and Pitt (Wanny) teams. For those that followed the program during the Minter years and earlier a string of seasons with 8, 10, 11, 12, 4, 10, 10, and 9 wins would have been a dream. One losing season surrounded by top 25 finishes, conference championships, and bowl bids would have something every Bearcat fan signed up for a decade ago. I would still take another decade of 8 to 11 wins a year too, even if its in the American.

(12-30-2013 10:28 AM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  the American isn't what I thought it was going to be in basketball.

This is going to be a solid conference that is pretty comparable to the old CUSA. You are going to have 4 NCAA teams almost every year plus the possibility of a couple more occasionally. Memphis, UC, and UConn will be solid year in and year out. Then you have SMU which is improving at a fast pace under Larry Brown. South Florida has been respectable the last couple of years and even though down without Collins right now have a good shot at being a bubble team most years. Houston and Temple both have the ability to be decent every once in awhile.

(12-30-2013 10:28 AM)subflea Wrote:  

(12-30-2013 05:45 AM)Crewdogz Wrote:  

Quote:To be fair, my expectations for Mick and the basketball squad while in this conference are not off the charts either (file under solid showing, but nothing exceptional).

UC dominated CUSA and were a national program consistently ranked in the top 20; why cant UC do something similar in the American?

I think we can. With last year's class which is looking really good, and next year's class, which also looks very good, we are going to be at the top of the conference over at least the next several years.

I'm with you Sub, which is why I followed it up with the basketball facilities and opportuniy to play for a National Championship along with the programs facilities the Bearcats can dominate the American. There will be some challenges at the top, such as Memphis and UConn but CUSA had it's share of tough programs also.

I'm down on the conference for FB due to conference alignment, but not basketball.

I'm surprised that people arent expecting great things with Mick.