(01-02-2014 04:10 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  I think that no matter who wins the job, we will be solid at QB for several years. That's a good feeling. I'm concerned about all the other positions, however. We may be fine at RB, but I'll reserve judgment until Akeem gets off the day-to-day thing. My biggest concerns are with every position in the D.

we are very deep at RB which I believe will be the strength of the Offense. Need a couple of Martel Moore types which we kinda missed the alst 2 games.

(01-02-2014 04:04 PM)3OrangeWhips Wrote:  Found this on YouTube.com...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baODRsvojYg

See Maddie benching 275 lbs. ten times. That is crazy strength for a QB. The publish date on this is summer 2012. That means this video was taken the summer between Maddie's senior year at Aurora Christian and his freshman year at WMU.

And this one...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3Yt06U-zwU

This is Maddie putting up 225 lbs. nineteen times. This was published March 2012, so he was still a few months from graduation at Aurora Christian. I think I remember an ESPN2 broadcast late this season in which the commentators were marveling at Jordan Lynch's strength - that he could bench 225 lbs 18 times. That is impressive for a 22 year old senior QB. Even more impressive for an 18 year old senior QB (in high school).

Maddie is not as thick as Lynch, but he's two inches taller and damn strong.

That's extremely impressive. I liked the way he threw the slants and the fades in the video. No idea on how he throws the deep outs since it didn't show him throw any. People say the deep fade is the toughest throw but I think the deep outs take more timing and precision.

(01-02-2014 04:42 PM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:  

(01-02-2014 04:04 PM)3OrangeWhips Wrote:  Found this on YouTube.com...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baODRsvojYg

See Maddie benching 275 lbs. ten times. That is crazy strength for a QB. The publish date on this is summer 2012. That means this video was taken the summer between Maddie's senior year at Aurora Christian and his freshman year at WMU.

And this one...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3Yt06U-zwU

This is Maddie putting up 225 lbs. nineteen times. This was published March 2012, so he was still a few months from graduation at Aurora Christian. I think I remember an ESPN2 broadcast late this season in which the commentators were marveling at Jordan Lynch's strength - that he could bench 225 lbs 18 times. That is impressive for a 22 year old senior QB. Even more impressive for an 18 year old senior QB (in high school).

Maddie is not as thick as Lynch, but he's two inches taller and damn strong.

That's extremely impressive. I liked the way he threw the slants and the fades in the video. No idea on how he throws the deep outs since it didn't show him throw any. People say the deep fade is the toughest throw but I think the deep outs take more timing and precision.

As long as he's mobile, can throw most intermediate routes, and screen plays he will be just fine.

They all seem pretty even athletically. Some have the edge in one area or another... Who has the "it'' factor?

(01-02-2014 04:48 PM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  

(01-02-2014 04:42 PM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:  

(01-02-2014 04:04 PM)3OrangeWhips Wrote:  Found this on YouTube.com...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baODRsvojYg

See Maddie benching 275 lbs. ten times. That is crazy strength for a QB. The publish date on this is summer 2012. That means this video was taken the summer between Maddie's senior year at Aurora Christian and his freshman year at WMU.

And this one...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3Yt06U-zwU

This is Maddie putting up 225 lbs. nineteen times. This was published March 2012, so he was still a few months from graduation at Aurora Christian. I think I remember an ESPN2 broadcast late this season in which the commentators were marveling at Jordan Lynch's strength - that he could bench 225 lbs 18 times. That is impressive for a 22 year old senior QB. Even more impressive for an 18 year old senior QB (in high school).

Maddie is not as thick as Lynch, but he's two inches taller and damn strong.

That's extremely impressive. I liked the way he threw the slants and the fades in the video. No idea on how he throws the deep outs since it didn't show him throw any. People say the deep fade is the toughest throw but I think the deep outs take more timing and precision.

As long as he's mobile, can throw most intermediate routes, and screen plays he will be just fine.

I don'[t know... Our coaches asked JL to throw a bunch of deep outs and he couldn't do it. I'm hoping our next QB can do it since our coaches will keep calling it even though we're not good at it.

(01-02-2014 04:10 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  I think that no matter who wins the job, we will be solid at QB for several years. That's a good feeling. I'm concerned about all the other positions, however. We may be fine at RB, but I'll reserve judgment until Akeem gets off the day-to-day thing. My biggest concerns are with every position in the D.

Agree..though I think NIU will be solid at RB regardless..Defense is very worrisome.

(01-02-2014 05:03 PM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:  

(01-02-2014 04:48 PM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  

(01-02-2014 04:42 PM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:  

(01-02-2014 04:04 PM)3OrangeWhips Wrote:  Found this on YouTube.com...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baODRsvojYg

See Maddie benching 275 lbs. ten times. That is crazy strength for a QB. The publish date on this is summer 2012. That means this video was taken the summer between Maddie's senior year at Aurora Christian and his freshman year at WMU.

And this one...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3Yt06U-zwU

This is Maddie putting up 225 lbs. nineteen times. This was published March 2012, so he was still a few months from graduation at Aurora Christian. I think I remember an ESPN2 broadcast late this season in which the commentators were marveling at Jordan Lynch's strength - that he could bench 225 lbs 18 times. That is impressive for a 22 year old senior QB. Even more impressive for an 18 year old senior QB (in high school).

Maddie is not as thick as Lynch, but he's two inches taller and damn strong.

That's extremely impressive. I liked the way he threw the slants and the fades in the video. No idea on how he throws the deep outs since it didn't show him throw any. People say the deep fade is the toughest throw but I think the deep outs take more timing and precision.

As long as he's mobile, can throw most intermediate routes, and screen plays he will be just fine.

I don'[t know... Our coaches asked JL to throw a bunch of deep outs and he couldn't do it. I'm hoping our next QB can do it since our coaches will keep calling it even though we're not good at it.

That's situational. I'm saying for him to be successful overall, he needs to have those three traits.

Over 90% of the offense consists of those three traits. NIU employs lots of screens and intermediate routes mixed in with QB runs. Yes, they do throw downfield occasionally, but not at a high clip. The deep outs are all timing patterns and important for 2 minute drill. If any of the three can do the three aforementioned things, I feel fine with them at the helm.

This offense will be strong next year, and being able to let the playmakers make plays in space will make everything ok.

Our offense was exposed late in the year. We are dangerously THIN at speed. We do NOT have a gamebreaker at RB (would not expect Akeem to be as good as he was with a year off) the others are decent, but not special. WRs when Brown was out and TLL banged could not make plays. Hopefully the redshirt FR Holder and Mitchell can add something with Beebe and Turner getting better.

Qb? MAddie has a low release not sure he will be accurate enough, McIntosh and Hare seem more suitable. Maddie a WR? db?

They all appear to have good speed. Would love to know what each of their 40 times are. Would love to see these three in a foot race.

Someone mentioned the "it" factor. That's the guy who get's the job in the end.

One of the bios for Maddie said 4.7s in the 40. Doesn't seem fast enough to do much running. Not sure about the others.

(01-02-2014 05:54 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  One of the bios for Maddie said 4.7s in the 40. Doesn't seem fast enough to do much running. Not sure about the others.

40 times aren't a very good way to determine if someone can run with the ball. Jerry Rice and Anquan Boldin ran 4.71. Larry Fitzgerald ran a 4.63. Lynch was one of the best running QBs of all time and he sure as hell wasn't breaking 4.5. You don't need to have a fast 40 time to be a successful dual threat QB in college football.

(01-02-2014 05:56 PM)armour248 Wrote:  

(01-02-2014 05:54 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  One of the bios for Maddie said 4.7s in the 40. Doesn't seem fast enough to do much running. Not sure about the others.

40 times aren't a very good way to determine if someone can run with the ball. Jerry Rice and Anquan Boldin ran 4.71. Larry Fitzgerald ran a 4.63. Lynch was one of the best running QBs of all time and he sure as hell wasn't breaking 4.5

Well the difference between 4.5ish and 4.7ish is considerable, if that translates to the actual football speed. If you aren't fast you need to have something else, like moves, or strength to break tackles. Otherwise you might be better off handing it to a RB. WRs have different requirements, like size or route-running ability or strong hands.

Geez, let Alabama worry about numbers. I think NIU has proven you can win without the biggest numbers if you get the right playmakers.

ESPN had him @ 4.67 (electronic) 3-4 yrs ago! and a 35 inch VJ (damn good)

Chandler ran a 4.75 at the combine. Seem to run the ball decent at NIU.

I swear some people here think NIU started playing football last year.

I think we all know there is a difference between 40 speeds and "football speed", in equipment, on the field, in a game. The agility of an athlete has as much to do with his ability to evade tacklers as does his speed. You'll see in the video that Maddie has a special ability to use agility and speed to rack up the rushing yards. He appears to have the improvisational instinct and vision required to tuck it and run for big gains.

Note - part of Maddie's talent could be enhanced a bit by the quality of the video footage. The video of the other two may not capture their talent as nicely as Maddie's video does of him. Perhaps this is influencing me a bit, also.

(01-02-2014 06:55 PM)7 Wrote:  Chandler ran a 4.75 at the combine. Seem to run the ball decent at NIU.

I swear some people here think NIU started playing football last year.

The combine times almost always turn out slower than pro days or other measurements, for whatever reason. So basically, if it says he's 4.7ish he might run 4.8ish at the combine. Also, IIRC Chandler ran the other 40 at the combine faster.

(01-02-2014 08:12 PM)3OrangeWhips Wrote:  I think we all know there is a difference between 40 speeds and "football speed", in equipment, on the field, in a game. The agility of an athlete has as much to do with his ability to evade tacklers as does his speed. You'll see in the video that Maddie has a special ability to use agility and speed to rack up the rushing yards. He appears to have the improvisational instinct and vision required to tuck it and run for big gains.

Note - part of Maddie's talent could be enhanced a bit by the quality of the video footage. The video of the other two may not capture their talent as nicely as Maddie's video does of him. Perhaps this is influencing me a bit, also.

Agility's great for avoiding tacklers, still need speed to break long runs, or get through the line before the hole closes up, especially against the better defenses.