Greg Schiano got fired today.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/...z2oz5QgBVq

They could do worse than Schiano. He made historically bad Rutgers competitive before leaving for the pros, which I always thought would be a bad fit for him. He seems like the style of coach that likes to teach the game, something you're just not going to do in the League.

Golden's taken Miami from the depths of NCAA sanctions and has made 'em relevant again. That's not to be overlooked, regardless of how Miami fans feel about him at the moment.

(12-30-2013 01:02 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  Bobby Petrino comes first to mind. But then he's a good option for anyone who's willing to take a coach with a little dirt on them.

When does Jim Tressel's show cause expire?

Tressel would be a great catch for Miami.

James Franklin may be the top choice to replace Bill O'Brien at Penn State. That hire would be horrendous for Maryland whose fans didn't like Debbie Yow decision to declare Franklin as Ralph Friedgen's heir apparent and were glad Franklin moved on to Vanderbilt.

Franklin is from PA and attended college at East Stroudsburg University.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/coll...ports.html

Nah, that would be horrendous for PSU because Franklin is a sham like Lane Kiffin. But hey, it's their mistake to make.

(12-31-2013 08:08 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Nah, that would be horrendous for PSU because Franklin is a sham like Lane Kiffin. But hey, it's their mistake to make.

Succeeding Joe Paterno, a cult-like figure, is gong to be difficult for anyone. Quite frankly I hope the "chosen one" fails.

Well, so it commences. Apparently, Bill and the Texans are a done deal.

Man, the BWI board is especially nasty today. Can't say I blame them...you lie to your recruits and tell them you're staying, you "force out" long-time staff, and you work your bosses over until the very end...quite tacky...

...but, again, after the way people reacted to the Indiana blowout, the crazies had it coming.

I wonder if PSU tries it again with a short-term pro assistant. It might actually be a good idea to get another "one-and-done" type with the administrative issues going on at the university. Let the new, permanent hires help make the big, long-term decisions...

I don't Schiano will coach this year. He would be better off spending some of the 7 mil he will make from BUCS and wait a year. He will become a hotter coach than he would be now.

(12-31-2013 11:28 PM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote:  

(12-31-2013 08:08 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Nah, that would be horrendous for PSU because Franklin is a sham like Lane Kiffin. But hey, it's their mistake to make.

Succeeding Joe Paterno, a cult-like figure, is gong to be difficult for anyone. Quite frankly I hope the "chosen one" fails.

You make a valid point but O'Brien actually was the immediate successor. When he was hired, I posted that he was the sacrificial lamb (I was wrong) and that the coach that followed O'Brien would be innoculated from post Paterno syndrome.

I'm still sticking with Golden although Schiano is a viable candidate.

I dont know why any coach would want to go there.

(01-01-2014 08:51 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  I don't Schiano will coach this year. He would be better off spending some of the 7 mil he will make from BUCS and wait a year. He will become a hotter coach than he would be now.

Interesting, I could see him doing the old analysis job for next season, but I feel like he was mentioned to replace Paterno even before the scandal. When all the dust settles I think he'll be back at the college level regardless.

I think Schiano took too much negative press to be coaching this upcoming year unless it was a small program. His NFL team quit on him and he had two bad seasons in the pros. Of course being bad in the NFL doesn't mean you won't be good again back in college but Schiano was never really the cream of the crop in college anyway.

(01-01-2014 09:28 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  

(12-31-2013 11:28 PM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote:  

(12-31-2013 08:08 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Nah, that would be horrendous for PSU because Franklin is a sham like Lane Kiffin. But hey, it's their mistake to make.

Succeeding Joe Paterno, a cult-like figure, is gong to be difficult for anyone. Quite frankly I hope the "chosen one" fails.

You make a valid point but O'Brien actually was the immediate successor. When he was hired, I posted that he was the sacrificial lamb (I was wrong) and that the coach that followed O'Brien would be innoculated from post Paterno syndrome.

I'm still sticking with Golden although Schiano is a viable candidate.

Maybe, maybe not

http://www.pennlive.com/sports/index.ssf...arriv.html

Quote: O’Brien’s ire also was raised that day by my suggestion that a faction of Joe Paterno-era loyalists seemed to me to be miffed by Vanderlinden’s departure or dismissal, depending upon their view, and that they might want some sort of explanation. The former linebackers coach had been the second-longest-tenured member of the staff, dating to 2000, one of only two remaining staff members hired by the legendary coach. This really got O’Brien going:

“You can print this: You can print that I don’t really give a ---- what the ‘Paterno people’ think about what I do with this program. I’ve done everything I can to show respect to Coach Paterno. Everything in my power. So I could really care less about what the Paterno faction of people, or whatever you call them, think about what I do with the program. I’m tired of it.

“For any ‘Paterno person’ to have any objection to what I’m doing, it makes me wanna put my fist through this windshield right now.”

IMO any coach they bring in that doesn't have ties to Paterno isn't going to be acceptable to a significant portion of their fanbase regardless of what they do, and while O'Brien had to deal with scholarship reductions next season the effects are going to be worse, and the lack of quality depth becomes and issue.

(01-01-2014 09:28 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  

(12-31-2013 11:28 PM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote:  

(12-31-2013 08:08 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Nah, that would be horrendous for PSU because Franklin is a sham like Lane Kiffin. But hey, it's their mistake to make.

Succeeding Joe Paterno, a cult-like figure, is gong to be difficult for anyone. Quite frankly I hope the "chosen one" fails.

You make a valid point but O'Brien actually was the immediate successor. When he was hired, I posted that he was the sacrificial lamb (I was wrong) and that the coach that followed O'Brien would be innoculated from post Paterno syndrome.

I'm still sticking with Golden although Schiano is a viable candidate.

Schiano is certainly available now.

Terp, the old man always said, "I'd hate to be the man who followed a legend, but I wouldn't mind being the man who followed the man who followed a legend." If he were still around, he'd say the time is right for someone to become the next legend at Penn State.

(01-01-2014 11:36 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  while O'Brien had to deal with scholarship reductions next season the effects are going to be worse, and the lack of quality depth becomes and issue.

That's right. Penn State's sanctions are like USC's, and their next two years are going to be, at best, like USC's last two seasons, probably worse because USC (at least on paper) recruited better even with fewer scholarships to offer. For the second half of this season, USC had about 55 healthy scholarship players -- i.e., fewer than FCS teams are allowed. Can the next PSU coach motivate that very thin roster as well as Orgeron motivated USC after he became their interim HC? If not, then PSU's next two years are going to be rough.

How settled is the administration (AD, president, board) at PSU? Are they going to be patient with a head coach who has two 4-8 seasons, or are they going to cave in to the nuttiest boosters and unfairly flush the new coach before he ever gets to compete with a full set of scholarships?

IMO, any head coach who has a good and secure job now shouldn't take that job. Let someone else take their lumps there for a couple of years, like Kiffin did at USC.

(01-01-2014 01:10 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(01-01-2014 11:36 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  while O'Brien had to deal with scholarship reductions next season the effects are going to be worse, and the lack of quality depth becomes and issue.

That's right. Penn State's sanctions are like USC's, and their next two years are going to be, at best, like USC's last two seasons, probably worse because USC (at least on paper) recruited better even with fewer scholarships to offer. For the second half of this season, USC had about 55 healthy scholarship players -- i.e., fewer than FCS teams are allowed. Can the next PSU coach motivate that very thin roster as well as Orgeron motivated USC after he became their interim HC? If not, then PSU's next two years are going to be rough.

How settled is the administration (AD, president, board) at PSU? Are they going to be patient with a head coach who has two 4-8 seasons, or are they going to cave in to the nuttiest boosters and unfairly flush the new coach before he ever gets to compete with a full set of scholarships?

IMO, any head coach who has a good and secure job now shouldn't take that job. Let someone else take their lumps there for a couple of years, like Kiffin did at USC.

The thing PSU has going for it are some of its more positive traditions: good academics/student-athletes, rabid fanbase, good college town, etc. Winning and ghosts are at virtually every major program, and PSU got theirs when Joe died.

I think PSU has no problem finding a guy. Heck, is Ferentz still getting any speculation (to heck with Golden and Schiano)? The problems (because there are several) will be the current administrative issues (president, AD), keeping recruits, riding out the remainder of the sanctions (recruiting, and doing so with a shallow bench), and dealing with the Joe-bot humbugs who will not give anyone a chance.

Joyner deserves better, imo, to have to endure this endeavor twice. He got a good replacement, albeit not the most genuine guy. And it's a thankless role he has. He's got to do it again...when he isn't the permanent AD? There may be many "quality" candidates...does Joyner really do this with due diligence?

Choice quotes (about a month old) from O'Brien in this article:

Quote:O’Brien’s ire also was raised that day by my suggestion that a faction of Joe Paterno-era loyalists seemed to me to be miffed by Vanderlinden’s departure or dismissal, depending upon their view, and that they might want some sort of explanation. The former linebackers coach had been the second-longest-tenured member of the staff, dating to 2000, one of only two remaining staff members hired by the legendary coach. This really got O’Brien going:

“You can print this: You can print that I don’t really give a ---- what the ‘Paterno people’ think about what I do with this program. I’ve done everything I can to show respect to Coach Paterno. Everything in my power. So I could really care less about what the Paterno faction of people, or whatever you call them, think about what I do with the program. I’m tired of it.

“For any ‘Paterno person’ to have any objection to what I’m doing, it makes me wanna put my fist through this windshield right now.”

http://www.pennlive.com/sports/index.ssf...arriv.html

(01-01-2014 01:54 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Choice quotes (about a month old) from O'Brien in this article:

Quote:O’Brien’s ire also was raised that day by my suggestion that a faction of Joe Paterno-era loyalists seemed to me to be miffed by Vanderlinden’s departure or dismissal, depending upon their view, and that they might want some sort of explanation. The former linebackers coach had been the second-longest-tenured member of the staff, dating to 2000, one of only two remaining staff members hired by the legendary coach. This really got O’Brien going:

“You can print this: You can print that I don’t really give a ---- what the ‘Paterno people’ think about what I do with this program. I’ve done everything I can to show respect to Coach Paterno. Everything in my power. So I could really care less about what the Paterno faction of people, or whatever you call them, think about what I do with the program. I’m tired of it.

“For any ‘Paterno person’ to have any objection to what I’m doing, it makes me wanna put my fist through this windshield right now.”

http://www.pennlive.com/sports/index.ssf...arriv.html

Seems like he was telling the truth.

Lavar Arrington speaks out

http://pennstate.247sports.com/Article/L...ien-168955

Quote:“Again, I said it before, you go outside of what we are and now the reality is, what we feared now has come to pass which is Bill O’Brien, for as much as he did for this team during a very turbulent time, I think people got to understand that Penn State, Penn State football is much more than football. Penn State is community, and in order to make that a reality I just think you got to have someone who understands it. Otherwise now we become a destination institution for coaches to get bigger jobs and leave. And now we are no different than anyone else,” Arrington told 247Sports Luke Stampini following Wednesday’s practice.

Quote:"I think now they have an opportunity to make a wrong right by bringing in a Penn Stater. Bring in somebody who understands us. The fact that that man (Jerry Sandusky) messed up the way that he did does not mean that that’s an indictment on who we are and what we are.

“Bring in a Penn Stater and we’ll have that ability to build and grow from there.”

If they bring in another outsider that just adds to an already steep uphill climb they face.

I'm glad they went a different direction with Bill. Part of the problem with a "Penn State guy" is that it's a Paterno-esque way of running a program. When the program got thumped in the first half of the 2000-2010 decade, it was because the college game had turned into a meritocracy system with player talent and starting (start the kids who have the best talent and give the team its greatest shot at winning), and not the old-school seniority system Paterno ran. Paterno was so fiercely loyal to his seniors, and even when he had to "change his tune" to keep up with recruiting, he never really did posess the objectivity that a modern, merit/talent-based system required, still giving much to his seniors and starters.

All that is to say that going back into the pool for a "Penn State guy" is exactly what the program shouldn't do. Because the "Penn State way" is outmoded, unfair, and unpopular. Penn State didn't have the kind of pull over PA kids like it used to. Paterno's loyalty issues were that reason. PA HS coaches knew their kids could get a better experience elsewhere.

It's nice for Lavar to say that...but if Lavar was a high school senior today, and Paterno's way was still the one employed at PSU, Lavar wouldn't even bother. He'd see more time elsewhere. Most/any top recruit would.