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(12-27-2013 11:08 PM)SUisBigEast4ever Wrote:  
(12-27-2013 10:53 PM)ndlutz Wrote:  Where exactly did this trolling by ACC fans occur?

The Big East was better than it was given credit for but it was clearly the worst of the BCS conferences and just wasn't built to withstand the changes in landscape.

Pretty much everywhere.

ESPN message boards there was a ton of it. Back before they switched to facebook comments a few months ago they had a very active board where you can click "conversation" underneath the scoreboard of the game and you'd read the words Big Least repeatedly.

Clearly the worst? That's a load of crap.

- The Big East had the third best non-conference winning percentage in the BCS era.

- They had the best bowl record.

- They had a 8-7 BCS bowl record. 5-3 in the last eight with wins over Georgia, Oklahoma, Wake Forest, Clemson and Florida. Meanwhile the ACC is 3-13.

- They also had the same amount of ranked teams or even more ranked teams than the ACC a lot despite having only eight teams to the ACC's twelve teams.

The Big East was better than the ACC and Big Ten most years. And the Pac-10 wasn't very good up until recently either. Had the Big East had 12 teams they would've easily been the third best conference almost every year. Even with just eight teams they performed just as well and even better than those conferences several years.

I'll be the first one to admit that I can feel where you're coming from. I've felt the disrespect for years on this board and other boards. I always felt that the Big East was far better than it was given credit for but it is what it is. One can argue that the BE was indeed as weak as the perception given that Pitt and Cuse had a subpar first year in the ACC and WVU has fallen off a cliff since joining the B12.

The dreams of an Eastern League are over. It really is sad. I always wanted a league w/ PSU, Notre Dame, Cuse, Miami, Pitt, BC, and so on but it's never going to happen.

Time heals all wounds. Getting over it is my best suggestion and I know it's hard. Took me a while to accept the reality. But remember that sports is entertainment. Can't let the fact that Cuse is in the ACC to take away from your experience and entertainment or you'll just be miserable all the time.

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(12-27-2013 10:43 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  I see many Syracuse fans stating we don't have a kicker, our starting kicker is hurt, Norton is the backup. Krautman can apply for a medical hardship waiver since he only played in two games this season. I think he's told the staff he's going to do so as we haven't recruited a kicker.

Done deal. It was announced a while ago that Krautman is returning for 2014.
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(12-27-2013 11:36 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  The dreams of an Eastern League are over. It really is sad. I always wanted a league w/ PSU, Notre Dame, Cuse, Miami, Pitt, BC, and so on but it's never going to happen.

You realize you're in a league with every team you just listed minus Penn State?
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(12-27-2013 11:36 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  One can argue that the BE was indeed as weak as the perception given that Pitt and Cuse had a subpar first year in the ACC and WVU has fallen off a cliff since joining the B12.

I just think West Virginia is a bad team now for some reason. I don't know what happened to them but now they're losing to teams like Iowa State and Kansas and getting blown out by Maryland.

When they were a Big East team they were destroying teams like Clemson, Oklahoma and Georgia (that game was close) in BCS bowl games. Or beating Auburn in a non-conference game. Or playing LSU to a 6 point loss on the road.

The Big 12 is definitely tougher but West Virginia is nowhere near the team they were.

This would've without a doubt been a huge down year for the Big East though if it was still intact. Even TCU who was coming in fell off drastically. We still would've had a couple ranked teams with Louisville and Cincinnati but the middle and bottom of the conference would've been far down from what it's been. But with only 8 teams (9 with TCU) we still would've had room to add teams like Boise State, UCF and Houston.
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(12-27-2013 11:51 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  
(12-27-2013 11:36 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  The dreams of an Eastern League are over. It really is sad. I always wanted a league w/ PSU, Notre Dame, Cuse, Miami, Pitt, BC, and so on but it's never going to happen.

You realize you're in a league with every team you just listed minus Penn State?

Should've said WVU and Rutgers, and Notre Dame isn't in the ACC as a full member.
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(12-27-2013 11:53 PM)SUisBigEast4ever Wrote:  
(12-27-2013 11:36 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  One can argue that the BE was indeed as weak as the perception given that Pitt and Cuse had a subpar first year in the ACC and WVU has fallen off a cliff since joining the B12.

I just think West Virginia is a bad team now for some reason. I don't know what happened to them but now they're losing to teams like Iowa State and Kansas and getting blown out by Maryland.

When they were a Big East team they were destroying teams like Clemson, Oklahoma and Georgia (that game was close) in BCS bowl games. Or beating Auburn in a non-conference game. Or playing LSU to a 6 point loss on the road.

The Big 12 is definitely tougher but West Virginia is nowhere near the team they were.

This would've without a doubt been a huge down year for the Big East though if it was still intact. Even TCU who was coming in fell off drastically. We still would've had a couple ranked teams with Louisville and Cincinnati but the middle and bottom of the conference would've been far down from what it's been. But with only 8 teams (9 with TCU) we still would've had room to add teams like Boise State, UCF and Houston.

Oh I know. Was playing devils advocate.
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(12-27-2013 11:54 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  
(12-27-2013 11:51 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  
(12-27-2013 11:36 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  The dreams of an Eastern League are over. It really is sad. I always wanted a league w/ PSU, Notre Dame, Cuse, Miami, Pitt, BC, and so on but it's never going to happen.

You realize you're in a league with every team you just listed minus Penn State?

Should've said WVU and Rutgers, and Notre Dame isn't in the ACC as a full member.

I'm going to swoop in and add UMD.
12-28-2013 12:00 AM
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(12-27-2013 10:44 PM)SUisBigEast4ever Wrote:  
(12-27-2013 10:29 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  Come on dude, we are in the Acc now. I loved the BE, but the BE that we loved no longer exists. Time to move on.

With all the trolling that everyone (including many ACC fans) did towards the Big East I have no love at all for the ACC and never will. I'm not sure how any true Louisville, Pitt or Syracuse fan could talk proudly of the ACC.

I probably heard the words Big Least over a million times and again a lot of that was from ACC fans. Nevermind the fact that the Big East outperformed the ACC almost every year.

Syracuse was a founding member of the Big East... that's our true conference and the other conferences showed a lot of disrespect towards it so screw them.

The conference we helped found died many, many years ago. The monstrosity we left was not the big east.
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Survival of the best, I Loved the Big East but conferences come and go. I can't Lie I am Super Excited that Louisville is coming to the ACC. You can't blame a school for financially improving itself. I think the New ACC is primed to excel in all sports. Every ACC school is putting money into their programs and if Florida State takes care of business in the National Championship game the one question mark will be silenced.
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Congrats to SU. You had me a little worried for the last quarter but you pulled it out.

The BE was a good conference. In hindsight, they made several critical errors. No need to revive those discussions but I think Miami and VT were looking for an out before they even got in the BE. Anyway, nothing wrong with being proud of where you came from. I'm proud of the ACCs roots in the Southern Conference when it virtually included every team in the South. Those roots now include the BE and Metro conferences. It just makes us stronger.
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(12-28-2013 09:37 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  Congrats to SU. You had me a little worried for the last quarter but you pulled it out.

The BE was a good conference. In hindsight, they made several critical errors. No need to revive those discussions but I think Miami and VT were looking for an out before they even got in the BE. Anyway, nothing wrong with being proud of where you came from. I'm proud of the ACCs roots in the Southern Conference when it virtually included every team in the South. Those roots now include the BE and Metro conferences. It just makes us stronger.

Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech and Louisville...all alums of the old Metro...04-cheers
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Now you know VT and GT are not really old metro schools, they are old Southern Conference and SIAA schools. Both spent more than 50 years with their old ACC and SEC rivals before that short stint in the Metro. 03-wink

However, congrats to Syracuse.
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(12-28-2013 10:56 AM)Maize Wrote:  
(12-28-2013 09:37 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  Congrats to SU. You had me a little worried for the last quarter but you pulled it out.

The BE was a good conference. In hindsight, they made several critical errors. No need to revive those discussions but I think Miami and VT were looking for an out before they even got in the BE. Anyway, nothing wrong with being proud of where you came from. I'm proud of the ACCs roots in the Southern Conference when it virtually included every team in the South. Those roots now include the BE and Metro conferences. It just makes us stronger.

Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech and Louisville...all alums of the old Metro...04-cheers

so is Florida St.
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The evolution of the ACC:

1. SIAA (The Grandfather Conference) - 1884-1921 - UNC, Georgia, Texas, Clemson, etc., etc. (dozens of schools from Texas, to Kentucky, to Virginia, to the East Coast to Florida)

2. SAIAA (The Grandmother Conference) - 1907-1921 - UNC, NC State, Maryland, Virginia, Virginia Tech, William and Mary, Richmond, Georgetown
Maryland and NC State were instrumental in this break away from the SIAA, as the SIAA had dozens of schools and travel was unreal and championships in football were based on as few as four games.

3. Southern Conference (The Mother Conference) 1921-Present - The SAIAA, plus most of the SIAA, Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Ole Miss, MSU, GT, Vandy, Florida, Sewanee, Tulane, South Carolina, Clemson, Kentucky, LSU, Tennessee

This was the SEC schools pulling out of the SIAA and leaving the small schools behind and merging with the one day ACC core.

4A. Southeastern Conference (Big Brother) (Bama, Auburn, Ole Miss, GT, Vandy, Florida, Sewanee, Tulane, Kentucky, LSU, Tennessee, MSU, Georgia)

This was the SEC schools pulling out of a SoCon that had added Duke and a number of others growing to 23 teams.

4B. ACC (Little Brother) (Maryland, Duke, Clemson, South Carolina, NC State, UNC, Wake Forest) - VT, WVA blackballed

This was Maryland and Duke pulling out of a 17 team Southern Conference due to hate for West Virginia, and anger at VT's president supporting a Bowl Ban.

All of this happened while FSU was still a girl's school, Louisville was still a city college, and Miami was too far away for anyone to want to travel. To the best of my knowledge only Pitt, Syracuse, and BC were never in one of these incarnations.

The only major schools that associated in the 1890's to 1900's that are not still together in some fashion in the SEC and ACC are Texas and Maryland and of course both have an ego problem.

This might go a ways to highlighting why the ACC was so pissed at MD's hijacking by the Maryland's moles from the B10. Maryland was a core school from 1907, not 1953 as it often tossed out by sloppy, stupid media people. However it's also informative to know that Maryland has always been an initiator of moving and changing conference makeup to better suit themselves.
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(12-28-2013 02:56 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  The evolution of the ACC:

1. SIAA (The Grandfather Conference) - 1884-1921 - UNC, Georgia, Texas, Clemson, etc., etc. (dozens of schools from Texas, to Kentucky, to Virginia, to the East Coast to Florida)

2. SAIAA (The Grandmother Conference) - 1907-1921 - UNC, NC State, Maryland, Virginia, Virginia Tech, William and Mary, Richmond, Georgetown
Maryland and NC State were instrumental in this break away from the SIAA, as the SIAA had dozens of schools and travel was unreal and championships in football were based on as few as four games.

3. Southern Conference (The Mother Conference) 1921-Present - The SAIAA, plus most of the SIAA, Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Ole Miss, MSU, GT, Vandy, Florida, Sewanee, Tulane, South Carolina, Clemson, Kentucky, LSU, Tennessee

This was the SEC schools pulling out of the SIAA and leaving the small schools behind and merging with the one day ACC core.

4A. Southeastern Conference (Big Brother) (Bama, Auburn, Ole Miss, GT, Vandy, Florida, Sewanee, Tulane, Kentucky, LSU, Tennessee, MSU, Georgia)

This was the SEC schools pulling out of a SoCon that had added Duke and a number of others growing to 23 teams.

4B. ACC (Little Brother) (Maryland, Duke, Clemson, South Carolina, NC State, UNC, Wake Forest) - VT, WVA blackballed

This was Maryland and Duke pulling out of a 17 team Southern Conference due to hate for West Virginia, and anger at VT's president supporting a Bowl Ban.

All of this happened while FSU was still a girl's school, Louisville was still a city college, and Miami was too far away for anyone to want to travel. To the best of my knowledge only Pitt, Syracuse, and BC were never in one of these incarnations.

The only major schools that associated in the 1890's to 1900's that are not still together in some fashion in the SEC and ACC are Texas and Maryland and of course both have an ego problem.

This might go a ways to highlighting why the ACC was so pissed at MD's hijacking by the Maryland's moles from the B10. Maryland was a core school from 1907, not 1953 as it often tossed out by sloppy, stupid media people. However it's also informative to know that Maryland has always been an initiator of moving and changing conference makeup to better suit themselves.

The New ACC looks like a mash up of the original ACC (6 members), the Big East Conference (7 members) and the Metro Conference (4 members). Seems to make the Big east and ACC Mom and Dad to the current ACC.

(12-27-2013 09:56 PM)WNCOrange Wrote:  Attendance looked awful. The game was not much better.

We need to find a kicker between now and next season.

Second half was pretty entertaining. Dramatic anyway.

This is a B12 host game. With no B12 team, poor attendance was not a surprise. Having said that, it does show the value of placing lower tier bowls in smaller stadiums like Annapolis or Tropicana Field, partnering with games with strong local support like El Paso, or partnering with bowls with easy (Charlotte) or attractive (Orlando) travel. The ACC powers that be have done a good job with the new lineup in this regard.
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Orange - GT, VT, UNC, NCSU, WF, Duke, Clemson, and UVA are SIAA/SAIAA/Southern Conference schools - if you just look at the time the ACC name is used, you are omitting over 60 years of history.

To me the current ACC is the old half of the Southern Conference that split in 1933 that has added southern and northern independents - Miami, FSU, Pitt, Syracuse, BC, and ND.

The Big East was an artificial construct that just lasted a few decades and never had any stability. The Metro had even less time and stability.
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(12-28-2013 08:51 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Orange - GT, VT, UNC, NCSU, WF, Duke, Clemson, and UVA are SIAA/SAIAA/Southern Conference schools - if you just look at the time the ACC name is used, you are omitting over 60 years of history.

To me the current ACC is the old half of the Southern Conference that split in 1933 that has added southern and northern independents - Miami, FSU, Pitt, Syracuse, BC, and ND.

The Big East was an artificial construct that just lasted a few decades and never had any stability. The Metro had even less time and stability.

Independent football and basketball schools were a huge part of the college scene for almost 100 years before the Big East was formed. The Big East is an extension of that history. Back in the 60's, 70's and 80's, ACC football was generally awful, while the former Big East members were regularly earning major bowl invites and, in the case of Pitt and Miami, National Championships. All I'm saying is that this is an important part of the heritage of the New ACC, one that should be embraced along with the Southern Conference roots of the core ACC.
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Nice win, Cuse! 04-cheers
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Proud of you guys!04-cheers
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This season was an unexpected success. I had sort of expected a 4 win season. There was a new head coach, new offensive coordinator, new quarterback, new coaching staff and they pulled out a 7 win season. The players play hard for the head coach Scott Shafer. I think Doug Marrone is a better coach than Shafer from an X's and O's standpoint, I do think Shafer is a better recruiter. The new football facilities are being built so that should also help the program build upon this season's success.
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