(12-29-2013 04:13 AM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 09:32 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  

(12-27-2013 03:19 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  I though a few years ago that Texas/A&M/OU/Okie State were going to the Pac-10 and leaving the Big 12 behind to get raided (basically the superconference doomsday scenario). In that scenario, I thought Iowa State/KU/K-State were heading to the old Big East and a new conference made up of Big 12 refugees and the best non-BCS teams in the western US would form. Would've looked like this:

East Division
Baylor
Houston
Rice
SMU
TCU
Texas Tech

West Division
Boise State
BYU
Colorado
New Mexico
UNLV
Utah

I guess UNM and UNLV would've been been weaker choices, but I included them since they both have a big following in their states and have great basketball programs. I suppose the logical choices for expansion would be Tulane, Tulsa, UTEP, Colorado State, Utah State, Fresno State, or SDSU. Obviously it never panned out.

As the 3rd largest fan supported University in the state of Texas, we will never be in that conference. Baylor and TCU are more than welcome to renew old rivalries with schools that have crappy fan bases. I have a feeling the cubs and toads will sue so they don't get stuck with those less fortunate but no one wants them.

Tech is no better than Baylor and is actually in probably in a worse situation. You don't have near the overall athletic success of Baylor and you are an outlier in the state with regards to location. You have limited influence in the state politically compared to Baylor. The only thing you have on Baylor is a larger alumni base. If Texas decides to ditch Tech, you will be sitting in a conference that looks very much like the one above. You call Baylor's fan base crappy, how much of their Holiday Bowl allotment did Tech sell? Last I heard it was right around 3,000 yet Baylor sold over 12,000 of their allotment for the Fiesta. Last year Baylor sold over 6,000 for the Holiday bowl.

I guess you don't recall who threatened to sue to keep a spot at the big boy table. I guess you don't recall who was about to be left behind had the Texoma 4 moved West. Our athletic department is struggling but we finally have the right coaches in place to change things. Our location doesn't mean squat because of our ability to deliver TV sets which is all that matters to TV execs. As far as attendance goes, when you've had as little success as Baylor has had in the Big 12, your fans are hungry for any type of bowl game. We would have 45-50K in Phoenix for the Fiesta Bowl so 12K is kind of embarrassing.

(12-29-2013 10:59 AM)jml2010 Wrote:  

(12-29-2013 04:13 AM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 09:32 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  

(12-27-2013 03:19 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  I though a few years ago that Texas/A&M/OU/Okie State were going to the Pac-10 and leaving the Big 12 behind to get raided (basically the superconference doomsday scenario). In that scenario, I thought Iowa State/KU/K-State were heading to the old Big East and a new conference made up of Big 12 refugees and the best non-BCS teams in the western US would form. Would've looked like this:

East Division
Baylor
Houston
Rice
SMU
TCU
Texas Tech

West Division
Boise State
BYU
Colorado
New Mexico
UNLV
Utah

I guess UNM and UNLV would've been been weaker choices, but I included them since they both have a big following in their states and have great basketball programs. I suppose the logical choices for expansion would be Tulane, Tulsa, UTEP, Colorado State, Utah State, Fresno State, or SDSU. Obviously it never panned out.

As the 3rd largest fan supported University in the state of Texas, we will never be in that conference. Baylor and TCU are more than welcome to renew old rivalries with schools that have crappy fan bases. I have a feeling the cubs and toads will sue so they don't get stuck with those less fortunate but no one wants them.

Tech is no better than Baylor and is actually in probably in a worse situation. You don't have near the overall athletic success of Baylor and you are an outlier in the state with regards to location. You have limited influence in the state politically compared to Baylor. The only thing you have on Baylor is a larger alumni base. If Texas decides to ditch Tech, you will be sitting in a conference that looks very much like the one above. You call Baylor's fan base crappy, how much of their Holiday Bowl allotment did Tech sell? Last I heard it was right around 3,000 yet Baylor sold over 12,000 of their allotment for the Fiesta. Last year Baylor sold over 6,000 for the Holiday bowl.

I guess you don't recall who threatened to sue to keep a spot at the big boy table. I guess you don't recall who was about to be left behind had the Texoma 4 moved West. Our athletic department is struggling but we finally have the right coaches in place to change things. Our location doesn't mean squat because of our ability to deliver TV sets which is all that matters to TV execs. As far as attendance goes, when you've had as little success as Baylor has had in the Big 12, your fans are hungry for any type of bowl game. We would have 45-50K in Phoenix for the Fiesta Bowl so 12K is kind of embarrassing.

I guess you don't know the FACTS, Baylor never threatened to sue to keep A&M from going to the SEC. Much like Ann Richards getting us into the Big 12, both are urban legends and works of fiction. Maybe it is your memory that is bad, because Baylor along with KU, KSU, ISU, Tech and Mizzou all refused to sign away their rights. Tech eventually did when it looked like the newly formed Texhoma 4 were heading to the PAC. Mizzou eventually did because they got an SEC invitation as well. The Forgotten Four never did sign their right away and the SEC eventually just accepted A&M once the Big 12 announced their new GOR keeping the conference together.

When Baylor was going to be left behind we were not that great, but that was then and this is now. Since then we have gone to two Elite 8's, an NIT Final and won a NIT Championship in men's basketball. Won our second National Championship in Women's basketball including multiple Sweet 16 or better finishes. Our football team has won a conference championship, been to 4 consecutive bowl games, winning 2 of them with one yet to be played, and will play in a BCS bowl. On top of that our school picked up it's first Heisman Trophy. That is just the three major sports. I could list the conference titles and post season appearances in all our other sports, but Tech doesn't come close.

As far as attendance goes, the 12k is what we sold of our allotment. We will have 35,000 to 40,000 at the game. Our last 3 bowl games have been ranked in the Top 11 each year for attendance and each year was better attended than at least one BCS game. For a school our size we do extremely well. You have 3-4 times the size of alumni and yet you can't sell more than little ole Baylor, that is embarassing. One would expect Tech to use the Holiday Bowl in San Diego as a statement to the PAC that they seem to want to join so badly by selling out their allotment and the bowl.

(12-29-2013 06:53 PM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  I guess you don't know the FACTS, Baylor never threatened to sue to keep A&M from going to the SEC. Much like Ann Richards getting us into the Big 12, both are urban legends and works of fiction. Maybe it is your memory that is bad, because Baylor along with KU, KSU, ISU, Tech and Mizzou all refused to sign away their rights. Tech eventually did when it looked like the newly formed Texhoma 4 were heading to the PAC. Mizzou eventually did because they got an SEC invitation as well. The Forgotten Four never did sign their right away and the SEC eventually just accepted A&M once the Big 12 announced their new GOR keeping the conference together.

When Baylor was going to be left behind we were not that great, but that was then and this is now. Since then we have gone to two Elite 8's, an NIT Final and won a NIT Championship in men's basketball. Won our second National Championship in Women's basketball including multiple Sweet 16 or better finishes. Our football team has won a conference championship, been to 4 consecutive bowl games, winning 2 of them with one yet to be played, and will play in a BCS bowl. On top of that our school picked up it's first Heisman Trophy. That is just the three major sports. I could list the conference titles and post season appearances in all our other sports, but Tech doesn't come close.

As far as attendance goes, the 12k is what we sold of our allotment. We will have 35,000 to 40,000 at the game. Our last 3 bowl games have been ranked in the Top 11 each year for attendance and each year was better attended than at least one BCS game. For a school our size we do extremely well. You have 3-4 times the size of alumni and yet you can't sell more than little ole Baylor, that is embarassing. One would expect Tech to use the Holiday Bowl in San Diego as a statement to the PAC that they seem to want to join so badly by selling out their allotment and the bowl.

Baylor did threaten to sue A&M because their spot at the big boy table was in jeopardy.http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...elays-move

Quote:"We were notified (Tuesday) afternoon that at least one Big 12 institution had withdrawn its previous consent and was considering legal action," Machen said in a statement Wednesday. "The SEC has stated that to consider an institution for membership, there must be no contractual hindrances to its departure."

According to ESPN's Joe Schad, a source close to Texas A&M characterized Baylor as "the ringleader" in the attempt to keep A&M in the Big 12.

"We are being held hostage right now," Loftin said of being forced to stay in the Big 12. "Essentially, we're being told that you must stay here against your will and we think that really flies in the face of what makes us Americans for example and makes us free people."

Quote:But Texas Tech said it had, in fact, waived its legal rights to sue the SEC and Texas A&M.

"Texas Tech is not involved in any legal action against Texas A&M, the SEC or any other parties," said Texas Tech spokesman Blayne Beal. "Texas Tech has no intentions whatsoever of being involved in any future lawsuits against Texas A&M, the SEC or SEC commissioner Mike Slive."

As far as the Holiday Bowl goes, we will still have 15-20K in San Diego for a game that we should lose big time. Pine box didn't leave Kliff with a lot to work with. In fact its a miracle that we are 7-5. The PAC knows we can put 61K in the stands and knows we travel very well to most of our bowl games.

As far as athletic success goes, I have no doubt the NCAA will find infractions with Scott Drew and Kim Mulkey. That being said, athletic success means very little in conference realignment. Just look at Maryland and Rutgers. If conference armageddon happens, Tech will end up in a good spot. Baylor on the other hand will threaten to sue to keep big boy money. It is what is it and I'm sorry that frustrates you.

One thing is for sure, we don't need a tarp at our home games even when we struggle.

(12-29-2013 07:23 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  

(12-29-2013 06:53 PM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  I guess you don't know the FACTS, Baylor never threatened to sue to keep A&M from going to the SEC. Much like Ann Richards getting us into the Big 12, both are urban legends and works of fiction. Maybe it is your memory that is bad, because Baylor along with KU, KSU, ISU, Tech and Mizzou all refused to sign away their rights. Tech eventually did when it looked like the newly formed Texhoma 4 were heading to the PAC. Mizzou eventually did because they got an SEC invitation as well. The Forgotten Four never did sign their right away and the SEC eventually just accepted A&M once the Big 12 announced their new GOR keeping the conference together.

When Baylor was going to be left behind we were not that great, but that was then and this is now. Since then we have gone to two Elite 8's, an NIT Final and won a NIT Championship in men's basketball. Won our second National Championship in Women's basketball including multiple Sweet 16 or better finishes. Our football team has won a conference championship, been to 4 consecutive bowl games, winning 2 of them with one yet to be played, and will play in a BCS bowl. On top of that our school picked up it's first Heisman Trophy. That is just the three major sports. I could list the conference titles and post season appearances in all our other sports, but Tech doesn't come close.

As far as attendance goes, the 12k is what we sold of our allotment. We will have 35,000 to 40,000 at the game. Our last 3 bowl games have been ranked in the Top 11 each year for attendance and each year was better attended than at least one BCS game. For a school our size we do extremely well. You have 3-4 times the size of alumni and yet you can't sell more than little ole Baylor, that is embarassing. One would expect Tech to use the Holiday Bowl in San Diego as a statement to the PAC that they seem to want to join so badly by selling out their allotment and the bowl.

Baylor did threaten to sue A&M because their spot at the big boy table was in jeopardy.http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...elays-move

Quote:"We were notified (Tuesday) afternoon that at least one Big 12 institution had withdrawn its previous consent and was considering legal action," Machen said in a statement Wednesday. "The SEC has stated that to consider an institution for membership, there must be no contractual hindrances to its departure."

According to ESPN's Joe Schad, a source close to Texas A&M characterized Baylor as "the ringleader" in the attempt to keep A&M in the Big 12.

"We are being held hostage right now," Loftin said of being forced to stay in the Big 12. "Essentially, we're being told that you must stay here against your will and we think that really flies in the face of what makes us Americans for example and makes us free people."

Quote:But Texas Tech said it had, in fact, waived its legal rights to sue the SEC and Texas A&M.

"Texas Tech is not involved in any legal action against Texas A&M, the SEC or any other parties," said Texas Tech spokesman Blayne Beal. "Texas Tech has no intentions whatsoever of being involved in any future lawsuits against Texas A&M, the SEC or SEC commissioner Mike Slive."

As far as the Holiday Bowl goes, we will still have 15-20K in San Diego for a game that we should lose big time. Pine box didn't leave Kliff with a lot to work with. In fact its a miracle that we are 7-5. The PAC knows we can put 61K in the stands and knows we travel very well to most of our bowl games.

As far as athletic success goes, I have no doubt the NCAA will find infractions with Scott Drew and Kim Mulkey. That being said, athletic success means very little in conference realignment. Just look at Maryland and Rutgers. If conference armageddon happens, Tech will end up in a good spot. Baylor on the other hand will threaten to sue to keep big boy money. It is what is it and I'm sorry that frustrates you.

The article you posted never stated Baylor threatened to sue. It only backed up that Baylor and a number of other Big 12 schools refused to sign away their right to do so should they be left without a conference. Tech would have done the same thing had they not already been mentioned as part of a group moving to another power conference.

The PAC sees a school that could potentially join their conference and play games regularly in California. They see a school that is not willing to travel for a Bowl game they will most likely lose. If said school won't travel for a bowl game they aren't likely to travel to a conference game they are most likely to lose.

As for Drew and Mulkey, hell through in Briles if you want. The NCAA spent 3 years on our campus after bitching from other league coaches butthurt because star players decided they liked Baylor more. They could only come up with some minor texting violations that aren't even violations any more. Rival coaches don't like these Baylor coaches because they are being out worked for recruits by Baylor that they feel entitled to simply because they coach at Texas or Oklahoma or Kansas. I like where Baylor is currently and where they are heading. I fully expect them to remain in a power conference.

I expect Baylor to end up in the SEC,
Besides beinging in Tex, Its a Baptist school, SEC country is loaded with Baptist
not only would that help in TV ratings, attendance as well
a lot of talent in Tex, I would guess they would love to play in SEC

(12-29-2013 07:41 PM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  

(12-29-2013 07:23 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  

(12-29-2013 06:53 PM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  I guess you don't know the FACTS, Baylor never threatened to sue to keep A&M from going to the SEC. Much like Ann Richards getting us into the Big 12, both are urban legends and works of fiction. Maybe it is your memory that is bad, because Baylor along with KU, KSU, ISU, Tech and Mizzou all refused to sign away their rights. Tech eventually did when it looked like the newly formed Texhoma 4 were heading to the PAC. Mizzou eventually did because they got an SEC invitation as well. The Forgotten Four never did sign their right away and the SEC eventually just accepted A&M once the Big 12 announced their new GOR keeping the conference together.

When Baylor was going to be left behind we were not that great, but that was then and this is now. Since then we have gone to two Elite 8's, an NIT Final and won a NIT Championship in men's basketball. Won our second National Championship in Women's basketball including multiple Sweet 16 or better finishes. Our football team has won a conference championship, been to 4 consecutive bowl games, winning 2 of them with one yet to be played, and will play in a BCS bowl. On top of that our school picked up it's first Heisman Trophy. That is just the three major sports. I could list the conference titles and post season appearances in all our other sports, but Tech doesn't come close.

As far as attendance goes, the 12k is what we sold of our allotment. We will have 35,000 to 40,000 at the game. Our last 3 bowl games have been ranked in the Top 11 each year for attendance and each year was better attended than at least one BCS game. For a school our size we do extremely well. You have 3-4 times the size of alumni and yet you can't sell more than little ole Baylor, that is embarassing. One would expect Tech to use the Holiday Bowl in San Diego as a statement to the PAC that they seem to want to join so badly by selling out their allotment and the bowl.

Baylor did threaten to sue A&M because their spot at the big boy table was in jeopardy.http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...elays-move

Quote:"We were notified (Tuesday) afternoon that at least one Big 12 institution had withdrawn its previous consent and was considering legal action," Machen said in a statement Wednesday. "The SEC has stated that to consider an institution for membership, there must be no contractual hindrances to its departure."

According to ESPN's Joe Schad, a source close to Texas A&M characterized Baylor as "the ringleader" in the attempt to keep A&M in the Big 12.

"We are being held hostage right now," Loftin said of being forced to stay in the Big 12. "Essentially, we're being told that you must stay here against your will and we think that really flies in the face of what makes us Americans for example and makes us free people."

Quote:But Texas Tech said it had, in fact, waived its legal rights to sue the SEC and Texas A&M.

"Texas Tech is not involved in any legal action against Texas A&M, the SEC or any other parties," said Texas Tech spokesman Blayne Beal. "Texas Tech has no intentions whatsoever of being involved in any future lawsuits against Texas A&M, the SEC or SEC commissioner Mike Slive."

As far as the Holiday Bowl goes, we will still have 15-20K in San Diego for a game that we should lose big time. Pine box didn't leave Kliff with a lot to work with. In fact its a miracle that we are 7-5. The PAC knows we can put 61K in the stands and knows we travel very well to most of our bowl games.

As far as athletic success goes, I have no doubt the NCAA will find infractions with Scott Drew and Kim Mulkey. That being said, athletic success means very little in conference realignment. Just look at Maryland and Rutgers. If conference armageddon happens, Tech will end up in a good spot. Baylor on the other hand will threaten to sue to keep big boy money. It is what is it and I'm sorry that frustrates you.

The article you posted never stated Baylor threatened to sue. It only backed up that Baylor and a number of other Big 12 schools refused to sign away their right to do so should they be left without a conference. Tech would have done the same thing had they not already been mentioned as part of a group moving to another power conference.

The PAC sees a school that could potentially join their conference and play games regularly in California. They see a school that is not willing to travel for a Bowl game they will most likely lose. If said school won't travel for a bowl game they aren't likely to travel to a conference game they are most likely to lose.

As for Drew and Mulkey, hell through in Briles if you want. The NCAA spent 3 years on our campus after bitching from other league coaches butthurt because star players decided they liked Baylor more. They could only come up with some minor texting violations that aren't even violations any more. Rival coaches don't like these Baylor coaches because they are being out worked for recruits by Baylor that they feel entitled to simply because they coach at Texas or Oklahoma or Kansas. I like where Baylor is currently and where they are heading. I fully expect them to remain in a power conference.

It was commonly thought that Baylor was threatening to sue the SEC. Whether that is correct or not I'm not sure but this linked article indicates that there was something to it.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/wr...alignment/

Excerpt:

"It's a big game of chicken," one insider said of the impasse, which began Sept. 6 when Baylor president Ken Starr left a voicemail for SEC commissioner Mike Slive threatening to sue the SEC for accepting Texas A&M's application for membership.

(12-27-2013 10:15 AM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  I counter with the new SWC.

Houston
Rice
UTEP
SMU
Texas State
UTSA
North Texas
Tulsa
Tulane

If they wanted to go to 12, they could chose from Louisiana-Lafayette, La Tech, USM, Arkansas State, New Mexico and New Mexico State. Sign a TV deal with the Longhorn Network/ESPN. Houston, SMU and Tulane fans would probably hate this idea, but if the money was close to AAC on the football TV deal, then reduced travel costs for non-revenue sports could make the move worthwhile. Of course, the only way this could ever happen is if those three schools believed that a Big XII invitation is just not in their futures. If Memphis felt the same way, they could even be an option.

I'd love this conference (except for UTEP) College football is more fun when you live and work with the people you play.