(12-25-2013 05:50 PM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote:  Can these revenues be broken down by conference/non-conference sources? Also, are the figures available over the last 5 and 10 years?

Here are the Top 70 from 2003-2004:

1. Ohio State $103,871,324
2. Texas $83,474,135
3. Florida $72,735,275
4. Michigan $68,920,479
5. Tennessee $66,795,023
6. Alabama $59,819,035
7. Kansas $59,327,117
8. Wisconsin $58,121,893
9. Oklahoma $57,924,631
10. Penn State $57,546,522

11. Nebraska $55,910,929
12. Notre Dame $55,039,977
13. Louisiana State $53,983,888
14. Iowa $53,421,03110
15. Southern California $53,017,260
16. Kentucky $52,383,225
17. Texas A&M $50,031,866
18. Minnesota $50,017,755
19. Michigan State $49,830,597
20. Miami $47,470,707

21. Georgia $46,971,058
22. Oklahoma State $46,902,052
23. Auburn $46,829,458
24. Arkansas $44,284,806
25. Illinois $43,994,801
26. North Carolina $43,885,075
27. Purdue $43,780,548
28. Connecticut $43,026,031
29. Washington $42,551,520
30. UCLA $42,536,484

31. Virginia $42,465,400
32. Texas Tech $42,300,031.
33. Clemson $40,835,150
34. Oregon $40,800,423
35. South Carolina $40,743,224
36. Kansas State $40,731,865
37. Syracuse $40,639,624
38. Maryland $40,472,162
39. Missouri $39,853,466
40. Georgia Tech $39,674,362

41. Duke $38,988,933
42. Virginia Tech $38,900,607
43. California $38,031,463
44. West Virginia $37,808,838
45. San Diego State $37,434,624
46. Indiana $36,397,501
47. Colorado $36,335,486
48. Florida State $36,009,213
49. Stanford $35,830,158
50. Boston College $35,663,942

51. Arizona $35,296,096
52. Louisville $35,084,742
53. Arizona State $34,996,041
54. Vanderbilt $33,754,007
55. Northwestern $32,419,557
56. North Carolina State $32,382,028
57. Rutgers $31,940,494
58. Pittsburgh $31,769,592
59. Washington State $30,475,629
60. Oregon State $30,208,645

61. Wake Forest $29,560,866
62. Southern Methodist $28,468,000
63. Baylor $28,147,375
64. Mississippi $27,605,326
65. Fresno State $27,537,763
66. Iowa State $27,074,913
67. Brigham Young $26,037,978
68. Mississippi State $23,967,797
69. Rice $22,960,918
70. Temple $22,751,695

And here is Sandman's post from last year:

Sandman's post on 2011-2012 Revenue


Cheers,
Neil

All I gotta say...Tom Jurich, Rick Pitino the BIG EAST has been very very good to UofL....

These numbers are somewhat foolish to even discuss sometimes. According to the some, FSU already passed the 100 million mark

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/bl...55677.post

There's so much misinformation out there, it's hard to know what the real truth is.

Here's 2008-2009

Grand Total Revenues for all Teams (includes by team and not allocated by gender/sport)

Reporting Year: 7/1/2008 - 6/30/2009


01.) Texas $138,459,149
02.) Ohio State $119,859,607
03.) Florida $108,309,060
04.) Alabama $103,934,873
05.) Louisiana State $100,077,884
06.) Penn State $95,978,243
07.) Michigan $95,193,030
08.) Tennessee $92,524,125
09.) Wisconsin $89,842,749
10.) Auburn $87,001,416

11.) Georgia $81,496,357
12.) Oklahoma $81,487,835
13.) Notre Dame $81,088,368
14.) Southern California $80,151,282
15.) Iowa $79,521,143
16.) South Carolina $76,254,236
17.) Michigan State $75,624,811
18.) Nebraska $74,881,383
19.) Stanford $74,695,254
20.) Florida State $74,417,324

21.) California $73,354,967
22.) Texas A&M $72,886,100
23.) Kentucky $72,057,751
24.) Oklahoma State $71,805,825
25.) Duke $71,072,431
26.) Kansas $70,614,953
27.) Minnesota $70,322,992
28.) North Carolina $70,152,767
29.) Virginia $67,141,170
30.) UCLA $66,177,866

31.) Boston College $64,157,876
32.) Arkansas $63,978,641
33.) Miami $61,969,808
34.) Indiana $60,615,528
35.) Washington $60,575,780
36.) Oregon $60,283,512
37.) Clemson $60,167,535
38.) Maryland $59,966,862
39.) Purdue $59,919,102
40.) Connecticut $58,495,408

41.) Louisville $58,023,326
42.) Missouri $57,778,668
43.) West Virginia $55,658,165
44.) Illinois $55,609,086
45.) Rutgers $54,304,756
46.) Arizona State $53,297,963
47.) Virginia Tech $52,838,905
48.) Syracuse $52,050,104
49.) Arizona $51,822,629
50.) Oregon State $50,211,404

51.) Colorado $49,859,693
52.) Northwestern $48,582,384
53.) Baylor $48,545,254
54.) Georgia Tech $48,061,053
55.) Kansas State $47,399,903
56.) Texas Tech $46,632,263
57.) North Carolina State $46,491,105
58.) Texas Christian $46,461,545
59.) Pittsburgh $45,830,364
60.) Iowa State $45,813,189

61.) Vanderbilt $45,582,274
62.) Wake Forest $44,649,063
63.) Mississippi $41,318,068
64.) Washington State $38,293,754
65.) South Florida $37,855,971
66.) Mississippi State $36,536,152
67.) Brigham Young $35,628,193
68.) Southern Methodist $35,386,090
69.) Cincinnati $35,027,102
70.) San Diego State $34,451,248

71.) Memphis $33,506,683
72.) Nevada-Las Vegas $33,178,196
73.) New Mexico $31,990,662
74.) Utah $31,776,878
75.) Rice $30,671,822
76.) East Carolina $30,569,723
77.) Hawaii $30,515,408
78.) Central Florida $29,987,609
79.) Houston $29,620,164
80.) Fresno State $28,806,348

81.) Tulsa $27,130,674
82.) Temple $26,879,311
83.) New Mexico State $25,616,185
84.) Miami (OH) $24,685,668
85.) Wyoming $24,671,158
86.) Buffalo $23,446,561
87.) Texas-El Paso $22,990,846
88.) Alabama-Birmingham $22,620,615
89.) Central Michigan $22,476,972
90.) Colorado State $22,333,071

91.) Eastern Michigan $21,951,867
92.) Ohio $21,893,603
93.) Western Michigan $21,674,165
94.) Army $21,620,575
95.) Nevada $21,444,154
96.) Florida International $21,270,045
97.) Western Kentucky $21,002,792
98.) Tulane $20,811,000
99.) Boise State $20,583,008
100.) Marshall $20,040,935

101.) Northern Illinois $19,903,785
102.) Akron $19,769,908
103.) Ball State $19,385,563
104.) Toledo $19,165,629
105.) Southern Mississippi $18,623,258
106.) Kent State $17,942,193
107.) San Jose State $17,886,445
108.) Middle Tennessee State $17,204,861
109.) North Texas $16,621,986
110.) Utah State $16,498,260

111.) Bowling Green $16,320,67
112.) Idaho $15,055,971
113.) Florida Atlantic $14,863,017
114.) Troy State $14,389,423
115.) Louisiana Tech $13,901,349
116.) Louisiana-Lafayette $12,122,861
117.) Arkansas State $10,745,253
118.) Louisiana-Monroe $7,907,960


Not Listed

Air Force
Navy

Atlantic Coast

20.) Florida State $74,417,324
25.) Duke $71,072,431
28.) North Carolina $70,152,767
29.) Virginia $67,141,170
31.) Boston College $64,157,876
33.) Miami $61,969,808
37.) Clemson $60,167,535
38.) Maryland $59,966,862
47.) Virginia Tech $52,838,905
54.) Georgia Tech $48,061,053
57.) North Carolina State $46,491,105
62.) Wake Forest $44,649,063


Big East

40.) Connecticut $58,495,408
41.) Louisville $58,023,326
43.) West Virginia $55,658,165
45.) Rutgers $54,304,756
48.) Syracuse $52,050,104
59.) Pittsburgh $45,830,364
65.) South Florida $37,855,971
69.) Cincinnati $35,027,102


Big Ten

02.) Ohio State $119,859,607
06.) Penn State $95,978,243
07.) Michigan $95,193,030
09.) Wisconsin $89,842,749
15.) Iowa $79,521,143
17.) Michigan State $75,624,811
27.) Minnesota $70,322,992
34.) Indiana $60,615,528
39.) Purdue $59,919,102
44.) Illinois $55,609,086
52.) Northwestern $48,582,384


Big 12

01.) Texas $138,459,149
12.) Oklahoma $81,487,835
18.) Nebraska $74,881,383
22.) Texas A&M $72,886,100
24.) Oklahoma State $71,805,825
26.) Kansas $70,614,953
42.) Missouri $57,778,668
51.) Colorado $49,859,693
53.) Baylor $48,545,254
55.) Kansas State $47,399,903
56.) Texas Tech $46,632,263
60.) Iowa State $45,813,189


Conference USA

68.) Southern Methodist $35,386,090
71.) Memphis $33,506,683
75.) Rice $30,671,822
76.) East Carolina $30,569,723
78.) Central Florida $29,987,609
79.) Houston $29,620,164
81.) Tulsa $27,130,674
87.) Texas-El Paso $22,990,846
88.) Alabama-Birmingham $22,620,615
98.) Tulane $20,811,000
100.) Marshall $20,040,935
105.) Southern Mississippi $18,623,258


Independents

13.) Notre Dame $81,088,368
94.) Army $21,620,575
00.) Navy N/A


Mid-American

82.) Temple $26,879,311
84.) Miami (OH) $24,685,668
86.) Buffalo $23,446,561
89.) Central Michigan $22,476,972
91.) Eastern Michigan $21,951,867
92.) Ohio $21,893,603
93.) Western Michigan $21,674,165
101.) Northern Illinois $19,903,785
102.) Akron $19,769,908
103.) Ball State $19,385,563
104.) Toledo $19,165,629
106.) Kent State $17,942,193
111.) Bowling Green $16,320,676


Mountain West

58.) Texas Christian $46,461,545
67.) Brigham Young $35,628,193
70.) San Diego State $34,451,248
72.) Nevada-Las Vegas $33,178,196
73.) New Mexico $31,990,662
74.) Utah $31,776,878
85.) Wyoming $24,671,158
90.) Colorado State $22,333,071
00.) Air Force N/A


Pacific-10

14.) Southern California $80,151,282
19.) Stanford $74,695,254
21.) California $73,354,967
30.) UCLA $66,177,866
35.) Washington $60,575,780
36.) Oregon $60,283,512
46.) Arizona State $53,297,963
49.) Arizona $51,822,629
50.) Oregon State $50,211,404
64.) Washington State $38,293,754


Southeastern

03.) Florida $108,309,060
04.) Alabama $103,934,873
05.) Louisiana State $100,077,884
08.) Tennessee $92,524,125
10.) Auburn $87,001,416
11.) Georgia $81,496,357
16.) South Carolina $76,254,236
23.) Kentucky $72,057,751
32.) Arkansas $63,978,641
61.) Vanderbilt $45,582,274
63.) Mississippi $41,318,068
66.) Mississippi State $36,536,152


Sun Belt

96.) Florida International $21,270,045
97.) Western Kentucky $21,002,792
108.) Middle Tennessee State $17,204,861
109.) North Texas $16,621,986
113.) Florida Atlantic $14,863,017
114.) Troy State $14,389,423
116.) Louisiana-Lafayette $12,122,861
117.) Arkansas State $10,745,253
118.) Louisiana-Monroe $7,907,960


Western Athletic

77.) Hawaii $30,515,408
80.) Fresno State $28,806,348
83.) New Mexico State $25,616,185
95.) Nevada $21,444,154
99.) Boise State $20,583,008
107.) San Jose State $17,886,445
110.) Utah State $16,498,260
112.) Idaho $15,055,971
115.) Louisiana Tech $13,901,349

Here's 2006-2007

Total Revenues

Reporting Year: 7/1/2006-6/30/2007

1. Ohio State $109,382,222
2. Florida $107,781,004
3. Texas $105,048,632
4. Tennessee $95,401,868
5. Michigan $89,079,982
6. Notre Dame $83,586,903
7. Wisconsin $82,579,472
8. Alabama $81,946,464
9. Auburn $81,696,758
10. Iowa $80,203,645

11. Louisiana State $76,499,511
12. Southern California $76,383,688
13. Penn State $76,327,504
14. Georgia $75,937,460
15. Michigan State $73,171,907
16. Nebraska $71,121,812
17. Oklahoma $69,430,569
18. Texas A&M $69,413,648
19. Virginia Tech $65,487,381
20. Stanford $65,480,187

21. Kansas $65,194,721
22. Virginia $64,852,417
23. Arkansas $63,337,303
24. UCLA $61,309,668
25. Kentucky $60,556,515
26. South Carolina $60,544,530
27. Washington $59,648,451
28. North Carolina $58,188,501
29. Boston College $57,392,077
30. Minnesota $56,914,887

31. Illinois $56,804,174
32. Purdue $56,293,562
33. Clemson $55,741,548
34. Louisville $54,589,997
35. Texas Tech $53,561,872
36. Arizona State $53,473,276
37. Connecticut $52,811,643
38. California $52,740,344
39. Oregon $50,489,771
40. Georgia Tech $49,581,182

41. Miami $49,219,738
42. Missouri $48,634,512
43. Kansas State $48,346,511
44. Duke $47,507,169
45. West Virginia $46,970,708
46. Oklahoma State $46,667,284
47. Maryland $46,283,648
48. Oregon State $45,409,990
49. Arizona $45,320,053
50. Indiana $44,739,096

51. Rutgers $44,050,960
52. Syracuse $43,732,382
53. North Carolina State $42,634,590
54. Colorado $42,354,657
55. Florida State $42,165,416
56. Northwestern $40,757,282
57. Baylor $40,475,819
58. Texas Christian $39,191,874
59. Vanderbilt $39,021,876
60. Pittsburgh $37,465,582

61. Iowa State $36,876,628
62. Wake Forest $36,827,089
63. Cincinnati $34,172,785
64. Mississippi $33,576,473
65. Brigham Young $32,100,899
66. Washington State $31,928,453
67. San Diego State $31,106,320
68. Central Florida $29,639,288
69. Memphis $29,335,795
70. Houston $28,188,613

71. South Florida $28,160,631
72. Southern Methodist $27,708,145
73. Hawaii $26,506,426
74. New Mexico $26,187,718
75. Rice $26,031,598
76. Utah $25,913,332
77. Mississippi State $25,842,032
78. Temple $25,836,567
79. Nevada-Las Vegas $25,166,518
80. Fresno State $25,153,897

81. East Carolina $25,080,006
82. Tulsa $24,276,929
83. Bowling Green $23,524,181
84. Boise State $22,314,219
85. Miami (OH) $22,252,089
86. Army $21,620,575
87. Alabama-Birmingham $21,600,512
88. Wyoming $21,031,881
89. Texas-El Paso $20,831,731
90. Central Michigan $20,434,178

91. Nevada $19,878,194
92. Colorado State $19,777,870
93. Buffalo $19,724,701
94. Eastern Michigan $19,580,253
95. New Mexico State $19,434,062
96. Tulane $19,168,000
97. Marshall $18,965,635
98. Western Michigan $18,737,921
99. Ohio $18,671,109
100. Florida International $17,936,027

101. Akron $17,792,195
102. Kent State $17,487,695
103. Middle Tennessee State $17,348,681
104. Toledo $16,980,819
105. San Jose State $16,970,449
106. Northern Illinois $16,866,401
107. North Texas $16,787,101
108. Southern Mississippi $16,022,899
109. Ball State $15,538,250
110. Florida Atlantic $14,116,774

111. Troy State $13,089,969
112. Utah State $12,822,145
113. Idaho $12,730,220
114. Louisiana Tech $12,440,515
115. Louisiana-Lafayette $10,107,711
116. Arkansas State $10,086,860
117. Louisiana-Monroe $9,122,207

Not Listed

Air Force
Navy

According to this, FSU already made the $100 million club.

USA Today Link

Since all the old Big East schools are only still getting Big East payouts here's what it would look like if we were still together.

Old Big East Conference

01.) University of Louisville - $96,193,329
02.) West Virginia University - $77,706,696
03.) Syracuse University - $76,329,618
04.) Rutgers University-New Brunswick - $71,851,419
05.) University of Connecticut - $63,374,981
06.) University of Pittsburgh - $57,606,235
07.) University of South Florida - $45,102,784
08.) University of Cincinnati - $45,065,244


01.) Southeastern Conference = $94,080,790
02.) Big Ten Conference = $91,515,556
03.) Big XII Conference = $88,075,692
04.) Pacific-12 Conference = $74,087,307
05.) Atlantic Coast Conference = $72,151,774
00.) Big East Conference = $66,653,788
06.) American Athletic Conference = $42,290,208
07.) Mountain West Conference = $31,272,319
08.) Mid-American Conference = $25,417,638
09.) Conference USA = $25,049,778
10.) Sun Belt Conference = $18,742,721

(12-26-2013 12:01 PM)EnterSandman Wrote:  Since all the old Big East schools are only still getting Big East payouts here's what it would look like if we were still together.

Old Big East Conference

01.) University of Louisville - $96,193,329
02.) West Virginia University - $77,706,696
03.) Syracuse University - $76,329,618
04.) Rutgers University-New Brunswick - $71,851,419
05.) University of Connecticut - $63,374,981
06.) University of Pittsburgh - $57,606,235
07.) University of South Florida - $45,102,784
08.) University of Cincinnati - $45,065,244


01.) Southeastern Conference = $94,080,790
02.) Big Ten Conference = $91,515,556
03.) Big XII Conference = $88,075,692
04.) Pacific-12 Conference = $74,087,307
05.) Atlantic Coast Conference = $72,151,774
00.) Big East Conference = $66,653,788
06.) American Athletic Conference = $42,290,208
07.) Mountain West Conference = $31,272,319
08.) Mid-American Conference = $25,417,638
09.) Conference USA = $25,049,778
10.) Sun Belt Conference = $18,742,721

No. WVU was in the Big XII for these numbers. Temple took their spot (football only)

I think that I saw that Big XII bowl money is paid to individual schools who then surrender it to their conference to be divided, whereas ACC bowl payouts go straight to the conference to be divided. Since all the institutions are tax free, the end result (degree of profitability) is the same gain. However, if that's true it would inflate Big XII bowl payout revenue because it would be counted when it's paid from the bowl AND when it's paid by the conference. Since every Big XII team but KU went bowling last year, it's hard to tell. Also, since we don't have an expense breakdown (the expenses are aggregated) it's impossible to tell if Big XII schools have higher conference expenses, or just higher athletic budgets.

(12-26-2013 11:17 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  According to this, FSU already made the $100 million club.

USA Today Link

Yes. There is a similar discussion over on the Lounge's College Sports and Realignment Board.

Here are some of the comparisons of the top 30 public institutions between Sandman's EADA numbers from 11-12 and the ones the USA Today reported:

Texas - $163,295,114; $163,295,115 - same
OSU - $142,043,056; $142,043,057 - same
Mich - $128,750,370; $140,131,187 - $11,380,817
Alab - $124,129,127; $124,899,945 - $770,818
Florida - $120,267,106; $120,772,106 - same
LSU - $113,964,540; $114,787,786 - $823,246
PSU - $108,252,284; $108,252,281 - same
Okla - $106,456,616; $106,456,616 - same
Aub - $105,951,256; $105,951,251 - same
Tenn - $105,869,282; $102,884,286 - $2,984,996
Wisc - $101,490,339; $103,803,040 - $2,312,701
Ark - $99,757,483; $99,757,482 - same
Iowa - $97,415,941; $97,902,974 - $487,033
Georgia - $91,670,613; $91,670,613 - same
L'Ville - $87,840,504; $87,840,501 - same
USCe - $87,608,352; $87,608,352 - same
Kentucky - $85,632,716; $88,373,452 - $2,740,736
Okla St - $84,125,525; $87,270,598 - $3,145,073
Minn - $83,619,456; $83,619,526 - same
Wash - $82,594,783; $82,594,783 - same
Neb - $81,631,252; $81,631,252 - same
FSU - $81,444,039; $100,049,444 -$18,605,405
UVa - $81,321,219; $80,835,566 - $485,653
WVU - $80,019,885; $80,064,869 -$45,014
Kansas - $79,160,569; $70,228,913 - $8,931,656
TA&M - $79,026,849; $119,702,222 - $40,675,373
MSU - $79,019,535; $93,946,707 - $14,927,172
UNC - $78,830,350; $82,424,430 - $3,594,080
Ariz - $75,999,619; $78,024,219 - $2,024,600
Oregon - $73,911,738; $94,635,829 - $20,724,091

13 of these institutions reported basically the same number to each while 5 more had a discrepancy of less than 1 million dollars, which is chicken feed for these type of numbers.

6 institutions reported a discrepancy between 2 and 4 million dollars.

1 institution reported a discrepancy of just under 9 million dollars

While the remaining 5 institutions had a discrepancy of over 10 million dollars with the three most eye-popping ones being FSU with just over a 18.5 million dollar discrepancy, Oregon with over a 20 million dollar discrepancy and Texas A&M with a whopping 40 million dollar discrepancy.

If I were a federal auditor, those are the three institutions whose books I would most like to review.

Cheers,
Neil

(12-26-2013 04:16 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(12-26-2013 11:17 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  According to this, FSU already made the $100 million club.

USA Today Link

Yes. There is a similar discussion over on the Lounge's College Sports and Realignment Board.

Here are some of the comparisons of the top 30 public institutions between Sandman's EADA numbers from 11-12 and the ones the USA Today reported:

Texas - $163,295,114; $163,295,115 - same
OSU - $142,043,056; $142,043,057 - same
Mich - $128,750,370; $140,131,187 - $11,380,817
Alab - $124,129,127; $124,899,945 - $770,818
Florida - $120,267,106; $120,772,106 - same
LSU - $113,964,540; $114,787,786 - $823,246
PSU - $108,252,284; $108,252,281 - same
Okla - $106,456,616; $106,456,616 - same
Aub - $105,951,256; $105,951,251 - same
Tenn - $105,869,282; $102,884,286 - $2,984,996
Wisc - $101,490,339; $103,803,040 - $2,312,701
Ark - $99,757,483; $99,757,482 - same
Iowa - $97,415,941; $97,902,974 - $487,033
Georgia - $91,670,613; $91,670,613 - same
L'Ville - $87,840,504; $87,840,501 - same
USCe - $87,608,352; $87,608,352 - same
Kentucky - $85,632,716; $88,373,452 - $2,740,736
Okla St - $84,125,525; $87,270,598 - $3,145,073
Minn - $83,619,456; $83,619,526 - same
Wash - $82,594,783; $82,594,783 - same
Neb - $81,631,252; $81,631,252 - same
FSU - $81,444,039; $100,049,444 -$18,605,405
UVa - $81,321,219; $80,835,566 - $485,653
WVU - $80,019,885; $80,064,869 -$45,014
Kansas - $79,160,569; $70,228,913 - $8,931,656
TA&M - $79,026,849; $119,702,222 - $40,675,373
MSU - $79,019,535; $93,946,707 - $14,927,172
UNC - $78,830,350; $82,424,430 - $3,594,080
Ariz - $75,999,619; $78,024,219 - $2,024,600
Oregon - $73,911,738; $94,635,829 - $20,724,091

13 of these institutions reported basically the same number to each while 5 more had a discrepancy of less than 1 million dollars, which is chicken feed for these type of numbers.

6 institutions reported a discrepancy between 2 and 4 million dollars.

1 institution reported a discrepancy of just under 9 million dollars

While the remaining 5 institutions had a discrepancy of over 10 million dollars with the three most eye-popping ones being FSU with just over a 18.5 million dollar discrepancy, Oregon with over a 20 million dollar discrepancy and Texas A&M with a whopping 40 million dollar discrepancy.

If I were a federal auditor, those are the three institutions whose books I would most like to review.

Cheers,
Neil

Since there is no common basis of accounting, we are left to guess which schools are showing revenue before having to pay conference fees. As mentioned above, the ACC takes it cut first so that money should never be shown as revenue.

While these numbers are not worthless, they are very nearly worthless and can very nearly be replaced with the number of seats available for sale in football and basketball.

(12-26-2013 07:29 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(12-26-2013 04:16 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(12-26-2013 11:17 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  According to this, FSU already made the $100 million club.

USA Today Link

Yes. There is a similar discussion over on the Lounge's College Sports and Realignment Board.

Here are some of the comparisons of the top 30 public institutions between Sandman's EADA numbers from 11-12 and the ones the USA Today reported:

Texas - $163,295,114; $163,295,115 - same
OSU - $142,043,056; $142,043,057 - same
Mich - $128,750,370; $140,131,187 - $11,380,817
Alab - $124,129,127; $124,899,945 - $770,818
Florida - $120,267,106; $120,772,106 - same
LSU - $113,964,540; $114,787,786 - $823,246
PSU - $108,252,284; $108,252,281 - same
Okla - $106,456,616; $106,456,616 - same
Aub - $105,951,256; $105,951,251 - same
Tenn - $105,869,282; $102,884,286 - $2,984,996
Wisc - $101,490,339; $103,803,040 - $2,312,701
Ark - $99,757,483; $99,757,482 - same
Iowa - $97,415,941; $97,902,974 - $487,033
Georgia - $91,670,613; $91,670,613 - same
L'Ville - $87,840,504; $87,840,501 - same
USCe - $87,608,352; $87,608,352 - same
Kentucky - $85,632,716; $88,373,452 - $2,740,736
Okla St - $84,125,525; $87,270,598 - $3,145,073
Minn - $83,619,456; $83,619,526 - same
Wash - $82,594,783; $82,594,783 - same
Neb - $81,631,252; $81,631,252 - same
FSU - $81,444,039; $100,049,444 -$18,605,405
UVa - $81,321,219; $80,835,566 - $485,653
WVU - $80,019,885; $80,064,869 -$45,014
Kansas - $79,160,569; $70,228,913 - $8,931,656
TA&M - $79,026,849; $119,702,222 - $40,675,373
MSU - $79,019,535; $93,946,707 - $14,927,172
UNC - $78,830,350; $82,424,430 - $3,594,080
Ariz - $75,999,619; $78,024,219 - $2,024,600
Oregon - $73,911,738; $94,635,829 - $20,724,091

13 of these institutions reported basically the same number to each while 5 more had a discrepancy of less than 1 million dollars, which is chicken feed for these type of numbers.

6 institutions reported a discrepancy between 2 and 4 million dollars.

1 institution reported a discrepancy of just under 9 million dollars

While the remaining 5 institutions had a discrepancy of over 10 million dollars with the three most eye-popping ones being FSU with just over a 18.5 million dollar discrepancy, Oregon with over a 20 million dollar discrepancy and Texas A&M with a whopping 40 million dollar discrepancy.

If I were a federal auditor, those are the three institutions whose books I would most like to review.

Cheers,
Neil

Since there is no common basis of accounting, we are left to guess which schools are showing revenue before having to pay conference fees. As mentioned above, the ACC takes it cut first so that money should never be shown as revenue.

While these numbers are not worthless, they are very nearly worthless and can very nearly be replaced with the number of seats available for sale in football and basketball.

Not sure I agree with anything you say above. If 24 of the Top 30 public institutions give numbers within $4 million of reported revenue then I think that information is pretty solid.

The accounting differences can account for the differences in terms of monies earned on a particular sport or not (as reported in the EADA site), but revenue is revenue is revenue.

And again, with 24 of the 30 reasonably close, one needs to look at the 6 outliers, particularly the 3 biggest ones to determine what they specifically are doing that the others are not doing to come up with such big differences in terms of what constitutes revenue for the EADA versus whatever survey they filled out that USA Today used.

Cheers,
Neil

(12-26-2013 07:37 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(12-26-2013 07:29 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(12-26-2013 04:16 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(12-26-2013 11:17 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  According to this, FSU already made the $100 million club.

USA Today Link

Yes. There is a similar discussion over on the Lounge's College Sports and Realignment Board.

Here are some of the comparisons of the top 30 public institutions between Sandman's EADA numbers from 11-12 and the ones the USA Today reported:

Texas - $163,295,114; $163,295,115 - same
OSU - $142,043,056; $142,043,057 - same
Mich - $128,750,370; $140,131,187 - $11,380,817
Alab - $124,129,127; $124,899,945 - $770,818
Florida - $120,267,106; $120,772,106 - same
LSU - $113,964,540; $114,787,786 - $823,246
PSU - $108,252,284; $108,252,281 - same
Okla - $106,456,616; $106,456,616 - same
Aub - $105,951,256; $105,951,251 - same
Tenn - $105,869,282; $102,884,286 - $2,984,996
Wisc - $101,490,339; $103,803,040 - $2,312,701
Ark - $99,757,483; $99,757,482 - same
Iowa - $97,415,941; $97,902,974 - $487,033
Georgia - $91,670,613; $91,670,613 - same
L'Ville - $87,840,504; $87,840,501 - same
USCe - $87,608,352; $87,608,352 - same
Kentucky - $85,632,716; $88,373,452 - $2,740,736
Okla St - $84,125,525; $87,270,598 - $3,145,073
Minn - $83,619,456; $83,619,526 - same
Wash - $82,594,783; $82,594,783 - same
Neb - $81,631,252; $81,631,252 - same
FSU - $81,444,039; $100,049,444 -$18,605,405
UVa - $81,321,219; $80,835,566 - $485,653
WVU - $80,019,885; $80,064,869 -$45,014
Kansas - $79,160,569; $70,228,913 - $8,931,656
TA&M - $79,026,849; $119,702,222 - $40,675,373
MSU - $79,019,535; $93,946,707 - $14,927,172
UNC - $78,830,350; $82,424,430 - $3,594,080
Ariz - $75,999,619; $78,024,219 - $2,024,600
Oregon - $73,911,738; $94,635,829 - $20,724,091

13 of these institutions reported basically the same number to each while 5 more had a discrepancy of less than 1 million dollars, which is chicken feed for these type of numbers.

6 institutions reported a discrepancy between 2 and 4 million dollars.

1 institution reported a discrepancy of just under 9 million dollars

While the remaining 5 institutions had a discrepancy of over 10 million dollars with the three most eye-popping ones being FSU with just over a 18.5 million dollar discrepancy, Oregon with over a 20 million dollar discrepancy and Texas A&M with a whopping 40 million dollar discrepancy.

If I were a federal auditor, those are the three institutions whose books I would most like to review.

Cheers,
Neil

Since there is no common basis of accounting, we are left to guess which schools are showing revenue before having to pay conference fees. As mentioned above, the ACC takes it cut first so that money should never be shown as revenue.

While these numbers are not worthless, they are very nearly worthless and can very nearly be replaced with the number of seats available for sale in football and basketball.

Not sure I agree with anything you say above. If 24 of the Top 30 public institutions give numbers within $4 million of reported revenue then I think that information is pretty solid.

The accounting differences can account for the differences in terms of monies earned on a particular sport or not (as reported in the EADA site), but revenue is revenue is revenue.

And again, with 24 of the 30 reasonably close, one needs to look at the 6 outliers, particularly the 3 biggest ones to determine what they specifically are doing that the others are not doing to come up with such big differences in terms of what constitutes revenue for the EADA versus whatever survey they filled out that USA Today used.

Cheers,
Neil

I hope to God you are neither an accountant or work with statistics because you show no understanding of either discipline. Earlier in these posts you claimed that the size of the stadium had nothing to do with the revenue as if you can sell the same number of tickets in a 50K stadium as you can in a 100K stadium. And if you think revenue is revenue, you are headed to bankruptcy.

I've found on these boards over the years that most who argue vigorously that the numbers are unusable or worthless normally have an axe to grind or simply don't like where their favorite school came out.

We know there are differences in reporting, but to call them worthless is taking it to an incorrect extreme.

(12-26-2013 07:42 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(12-26-2013 07:37 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(12-26-2013 07:29 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(12-26-2013 04:16 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(12-26-2013 11:17 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  According to this, FSU already made the $100 million club.

USA Today Link

Yes. There is a similar discussion over on the Lounge's College Sports and Realignment Board.

Here are some of the comparisons of the top 30 public institutions between Sandman's EADA numbers from 11-12 and the ones the USA Today reported:

Texas - $163,295,114; $163,295,115 - same
OSU - $142,043,056; $142,043,057 - same
Mich - $128,750,370; $140,131,187 - $11,380,817
Alab - $124,129,127; $124,899,945 - $770,818
Florida - $120,267,106; $120,772,106 - same
LSU - $113,964,540; $114,787,786 - $823,246
PSU - $108,252,284; $108,252,281 - same
Okla - $106,456,616; $106,456,616 - same
Aub - $105,951,256; $105,951,251 - same
Tenn - $105,869,282; $102,884,286 - $2,984,996
Wisc - $101,490,339; $103,803,040 - $2,312,701
Ark - $99,757,483; $99,757,482 - same
Iowa - $97,415,941; $97,902,974 - $487,033
Georgia - $91,670,613; $91,670,613 - same
L'Ville - $87,840,504; $87,840,501 - same
USCe - $87,608,352; $87,608,352 - same
Kentucky - $85,632,716; $88,373,452 - $2,740,736
Okla St - $84,125,525; $87,270,598 - $3,145,073
Minn - $83,619,456; $83,619,526 - same
Wash - $82,594,783; $82,594,783 - same
Neb - $81,631,252; $81,631,252 - same
FSU - $81,444,039; $100,049,444 -$18,605,405
UVa - $81,321,219; $80,835,566 - $485,653
WVU - $80,019,885; $80,064,869 -$45,014
Kansas - $79,160,569; $70,228,913 - $8,931,656
TA&M - $79,026,849; $119,702,222 - $40,675,373
MSU - $79,019,535; $93,946,707 - $14,927,172
UNC - $78,830,350; $82,424,430 - $3,594,080
Ariz - $75,999,619; $78,024,219 - $2,024,600
Oregon - $73,911,738; $94,635,829 - $20,724,091

13 of these institutions reported basically the same number to each while 5 more had a discrepancy of less than 1 million dollars, which is chicken feed for these type of numbers.

6 institutions reported a discrepancy between 2 and 4 million dollars.

1 institution reported a discrepancy of just under 9 million dollars

While the remaining 5 institutions had a discrepancy of over 10 million dollars with the three most eye-popping ones being FSU with just over a 18.5 million dollar discrepancy, Oregon with over a 20 million dollar discrepancy and Texas A&M with a whopping 40 million dollar discrepancy.

If I were a federal auditor, those are the three institutions whose books I would most like to review.

Cheers,
Neil

Since there is no common basis of accounting, we are left to guess which schools are showing revenue before having to pay conference fees. As mentioned above, the ACC takes it cut first so that money should never be shown as revenue.

While these numbers are not worthless, they are very nearly worthless and can very nearly be replaced with the number of seats available for sale in football and basketball.

Not sure I agree with anything you say above. If 24 of the Top 30 public institutions give numbers within $4 million of reported revenue then I think that information is pretty solid.

The accounting differences can account for the differences in terms of monies earned on a particular sport or not (as reported in the EADA site), but revenue is revenue is revenue.

And again, with 24 of the 30 reasonably close, one needs to look at the 6 outliers, particularly the 3 biggest ones to determine what they specifically are doing that the others are not doing to come up with such big differences in terms of what constitutes revenue for the EADA versus whatever survey they filled out that USA Today used.

Cheers,
Neil

I hope to God you are neither an accountant or work with statistics because you show no understanding of either discipline. Earlier in these posts you claimed that the size of the stadium had nothing to do with the revenue as if you can sell the same number of tickets in a 50K stadium as you can in a 100K stadium. And if you think revenue is revenue, you are headed to bankruptcy.

You're confusing posters since I never said any such thing. And I believe you missed the point that poster was making. Example, SU can sell 20K season tickets for 27 home games while Duke can only sell 9.9K for the same number of games. But Duke can make just as much or more than SU can if they are attaching higher required donations to those season tickets than SU is requiring. And that is precisely what used to happen and why Duke at one point was making more $$$ on basketball than SU though being way behind in terms of actual tickets sold.

But ultimately, revenue is revenue is revenue. Example, some schools have a policy whereby anywhere from 5-12% of donations, even athletic ones, go into the general university pot, but the remaining 88-95% of those donations have to still be part of the revenue.

There is nothing that I am aware of that would allow for a discrepancy as high as the three outliers reported.

Cheers,
Neil

(12-26-2013 08:06 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  I've found on these boards over the years that most who argue vigorously that the numbers are unusable or worthless normally have an axe to grind or simply don't like where their favorite school came out.

We know there are differences in reporting, but to call them worthless is taking it to an incorrect extreme.

A tree ten feet above sea level is 150 feet above sea level. A tree on the top of North Carolina's Mount Mitchel is 6500 feet above sea level. Which tree is tallest? Use the information posted as "revenue" and tell me which tree is tallest - the information is low quality.

Don't attempt to use data this crappy in a Master's Thesis, let alone a Dissertation or you will lose your assistantship.

Without knowing is the basis of accounting is accrual, modified accrual, or cash, we can't make good comparisons. Not all revenue is revenue depending on your basis of accounting - some of this revenue may be income that is being realized years after the fact or through some type of annuity function. If we don't have a note that tells us if the conference takes it's share first versus the school paying the conference after the fact we can't make good comparisons.

At the end of the day all we can really say is that schools with large venues and large alumni bases tend to make more money. That's all you can really say. Now if you want to earn an A, run a regression on the revenue against the number of tickets each school has to sell.

(12-26-2013 07:37 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(12-26-2013 07:29 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(12-26-2013 04:16 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(12-26-2013 11:17 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  According to this, FSU already made the $100 million club.

USA Today Link

Yes. There is a similar discussion over on the Lounge's College Sports and Realignment Board.

Here are some of the comparisons of the top 30 public institutions between Sandman's EADA numbers from 11-12 and the ones the USA Today reported:

Texas - $163,295,114; $163,295,115 - same
OSU - $142,043,056; $142,043,057 - same
Mich - $128,750,370; $140,131,187 - $11,380,817
Alab - $124,129,127; $124,899,945 - $770,818
Florida - $120,267,106; $120,772,106 - same
LSU - $113,964,540; $114,787,786 - $823,246
PSU - $108,252,284; $108,252,281 - same
Okla - $106,456,616; $106,456,616 - same
Aub - $105,951,256; $105,951,251 - same
Tenn - $105,869,282; $102,884,286 - $2,984,996
Wisc - $101,490,339; $103,803,040 - $2,312,701
Ark - $99,757,483; $99,757,482 - same
Iowa - $97,415,941; $97,902,974 - $487,033
Georgia - $91,670,613; $91,670,613 - same
L'Ville - $87,840,504; $87,840,501 - same
USCe - $87,608,352; $87,608,352 - same
Kentucky - $85,632,716; $88,373,452 - $2,740,736
Okla St - $84,125,525; $87,270,598 - $3,145,073
Minn - $83,619,456; $83,619,526 - same
Wash - $82,594,783; $82,594,783 - same
Neb - $81,631,252; $81,631,252 - same
FSU - $81,444,039; $100,049,444 -$18,605,405
UVa - $81,321,219; $80,835,566 - $485,653
WVU - $80,019,885; $80,064,869 -$45,014
Kansas - $79,160,569; $70,228,913 - $8,931,656
TA&M - $79,026,849; $119,702,222 - $40,675,373
MSU - $79,019,535; $93,946,707 - $14,927,172
UNC - $78,830,350; $82,424,430 - $3,594,080
Ariz - $75,999,619; $78,024,219 - $2,024,600
Oregon - $73,911,738; $94,635,829 - $20,724,091

13 of these institutions reported basically the same number to each while 5 more had a discrepancy of less than 1 million dollars, which is chicken feed for these type of numbers.

6 institutions reported a discrepancy between 2 and 4 million dollars.

1 institution reported a discrepancy of just under 9 million dollars

While the remaining 5 institutions had a discrepancy of over 10 million dollars with the three most eye-popping ones being FSU with just over a 18.5 million dollar discrepancy, Oregon with over a 20 million dollar discrepancy and Texas A&M with a whopping 40 million dollar discrepancy.

If I were a federal auditor, those are the three institutions whose books I would most like to review.

Cheers,
Neil

Since there is no common basis of accounting, we are left to guess which schools are showing revenue before having to pay conference fees. As mentioned above, the ACC takes it cut first so that money should never be shown as revenue.

While these numbers are not worthless, they are very nearly worthless and can very nearly be replaced with the number of seats available for sale in football and basketball.

Not sure I agree with anything you say above. If 24 of the Top 30 public institutions give numbers within $4 million of reported revenue then I think that information is pretty solid.

The accounting differences can account for the differences in terms of monies earned on a particular sport or not (as reported in the EADA site), but revenue is revenue is revenue.

And again, with 24 of the 30 reasonably close, one needs to look at the 6 outliers, particularly the 3 biggest ones to determine what they specifically are doing that the others are not doing to come up with such big differences in terms of what constitutes revenue for the EADA versus whatever survey they filled out that USA Today used.

Cheers,
Neil

I agree. As a percentage, they're pretty close. A mil or two difference in a 80-165 million budget is pretty close.

(12-26-2013 08:34 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(12-26-2013 08:06 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  I've found on these boards over the years that most who argue vigorously that the numbers are unusable or worthless normally have an axe to grind or simply don't like where their favorite school came out.

We know there are differences in reporting, but to call them worthless is taking it to an incorrect extreme.

A tree ten feet above sea level is 150 feet above sea level. A tree on the top of North Carolina's Mount Mitchel is 6500 feet above sea level. Which tree is tallest? Use the information posted as "revenue" and tell me which tree is tallest - the information is low quality.

Don't attempt to use data this crappy in a Master's Thesis, let alone a Dissertation or you will lose your assistantship.

Without knowing is the basis of accounting is accrual, modified accrual, or cash, we can't make good comparisons. Not all revenue is revenue depending on your basis of accounting - some of this revenue may be income that is being realized years after the fact or through some type of annuity function. If we don't have a note that tells us if the conference takes it's share first versus the school paying the conference after the fact we can't make good comparisons.

At the end of the day all we can really say is that schools with large venues and large alumni bases tend to make more money. That's all you can really say. Now if you want to earn an A, run a regression on the revenue against the number of tickets each school has to sell.

Cash v accrual results in timing differences. They balance in the long run. Yes, there is a difference when there's constant growth, but the difference is unlikely to be that big. A couple million one way or the other isn't a huge swing in a 100 million budget.

(12-26-2013 07:42 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(12-26-2013 07:37 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(12-26-2013 07:29 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(12-26-2013 04:16 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(12-26-2013 11:17 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  According to this, FSU already made the $100 million club.

USA Today Link

Yes. There is a similar discussion over on the Lounge's College Sports and Realignment Board.

Here are some of the comparisons of the top 30 public institutions between Sandman's EADA numbers from 11-12 and the ones the USA Today reported:

Texas - $163,295,114; $163,295,115 - same
OSU - $142,043,056; $142,043,057 - same
Mich - $128,750,370; $140,131,187 - $11,380,817
Alab - $124,129,127; $124,899,945 - $770,818
Florida - $120,267,106; $120,772,106 - same
LSU - $113,964,540; $114,787,786 - $823,246
PSU - $108,252,284; $108,252,281 - same
Okla - $106,456,616; $106,456,616 - same
Aub - $105,951,256; $105,951,251 - same
Tenn - $105,869,282; $102,884,286 - $2,984,996
Wisc - $101,490,339; $103,803,040 - $2,312,701
Ark - $99,757,483; $99,757,482 - same
Iowa - $97,415,941; $97,902,974 - $487,033
Georgia - $91,670,613; $91,670,613 - same
L'Ville - $87,840,504; $87,840,501 - same
USCe - $87,608,352; $87,608,352 - same
Kentucky - $85,632,716; $88,373,452 - $2,740,736
Okla St - $84,125,525; $87,270,598 - $3,145,073
Minn - $83,619,456; $83,619,526 - same
Wash - $82,594,783; $82,594,783 - same
Neb - $81,631,252; $81,631,252 - same
FSU - $81,444,039; $100,049,444 -$18,605,405
UVa - $81,321,219; $80,835,566 - $485,653
WVU - $80,019,885; $80,064,869 -$45,014
Kansas - $79,160,569; $70,228,913 - $8,931,656
TA&M - $79,026,849; $119,702,222 - $40,675,373
MSU - $79,019,535; $93,946,707 - $14,927,172
UNC - $78,830,350; $82,424,430 - $3,594,080
Ariz - $75,999,619; $78,024,219 - $2,024,600
Oregon - $73,911,738; $94,635,829 - $20,724,091

13 of these institutions reported basically the same number to each while 5 more had a discrepancy of less than 1 million dollars, which is chicken feed for these type of numbers.

6 institutions reported a discrepancy between 2 and 4 million dollars.

1 institution reported a discrepancy of just under 9 million dollars

While the remaining 5 institutions had a discrepancy of over 10 million dollars with the three most eye-popping ones being FSU with just over a 18.5 million dollar discrepancy, Oregon with over a 20 million dollar discrepancy and Texas A&M with a whopping 40 million dollar discrepancy.

If I were a federal auditor, those are the three institutions whose books I would most like to review.

Cheers,
Neil

Since there is no common basis of accounting, we are left to guess which schools are showing revenue before having to pay conference fees. As mentioned above, the ACC takes it cut first so that money should never be shown as revenue.

While these numbers are not worthless, they are very nearly worthless and can very nearly be replaced with the number of seats available for sale in football and basketball.

Not sure I agree with anything you say above. If 24 of the Top 30 public institutions give numbers within $4 million of reported revenue then I think that information is pretty solid.

The accounting differences can account for the differences in terms of monies earned on a particular sport or not (as reported in the EADA site), but revenue is revenue is revenue.

And again, with 24 of the 30 reasonably close, one needs to look at the 6 outliers, particularly the 3 biggest ones to determine what they specifically are doing that the others are not doing to come up with such big differences in terms of what constitutes revenue for the EADA versus whatever survey they filled out that USA Today used.

Cheers,
Neil

I hope to God you are neither an accountant or work with statistics because you show no understanding of either discipline. Earlier in these posts you claimed that the size of the stadium had nothing to do with the revenue as if you can sell the same number of tickets in a 50K stadium as you can in a 100K stadium. And if you think revenue is revenue, you are headed to bankruptcy.

Actually, he is right. Price is dictated by supply and demand. If there is only a demand for 40k tickets at the most profitable price, a 50k stadium will make exactly as much as a 100k stadium. The expenses and thus profitability will be different, but the revenue will be the same.

But beyond that, demand being equal, if the most efficient price level for the 100k stadium results in +50k tickets sold, the smaller venue will either expand (in the long tun) or charge higher prices in the short run (see UL/TAMU football for planned expansion with increased demand and Duke basketball for higher ticket prices in small venues). Sure there is the whole aspect of price elasticities, but that needlessly complicates things and still doesn't change the fact that schools don't magically get paid for having bigger stadiums. Schools make money by having a lot of fans who are passionate.

(12-26-2013 08:34 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Don't attempt to use data this crappy in a Master's Thesis, let alone a Dissertation or you will lose your assistantship.

Talk about a straw man argument. Myself and others have openly admitted you shouldn't take these numbers as gospel or bet your life on it, we've simply said there is some value in this for comparison.

With that said you start holding the data up to a PhD level of research. Can you share who tried to hold the data up to that level? My suspicion is no one.