(12-21-2013 02:34 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(12-21-2013 02:08 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(12-21-2013 02:01 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  ECU played a tough game, but home court advantage, which in basketball is considerable, was the difference today.

That certainly didn't help, but having 2 big men be quitting punks hurts way more.

When a coach runs a player off of a team, we don't call that kid a punk; we just say that he was not good enough to play for that coach. So it is not fair to call a kid a punk who decides to leave to pursue what he wants to do.

We didn't call "6'11" 250 Kolo a punk when Lebo didn't want him at ECU; so why should Armstrong and Sampson be considered punks when they no longer wanted to be at ECU. That is a serious double standard and totally unfair.

Agree 100%. It's ridiculous when we have fans make stupid comments like that. Nothing they did was intentional to harm ECU basketball so there's no point in taking things personally or name calling.

State has looked pretty good. Refs didn't look like much of a factor.

(12-21-2013 02:37 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(12-21-2013 02:34 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(12-21-2013 02:08 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(12-21-2013 02:01 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  ECU played a tough game, but home court advantage, which in basketball is considerable, was the difference today.

That certainly didn't help, but having 2 big men be quitting punks hurts way more.

When a coach runs a player off of a team, we don't call that kid a punk; we just say that he was not good enough to play for that coach. So it is not fair to call a kid a punk who decides to leave to pursue what he wants to do.

We didn't call "6'11" 250 Kolo a punk when Lebo didn't want him at ECU; so why should Armstrong and Sampson be considered punks when they no longer wanted to be at ECU. That is a serious double standard and totally unfair.

Armstrong quit to chase a girl and work at Toys R Us, he's a punk. Sampson quit because his mom and uncle convinced him he was too good for ECU and should be playing the 3, he's a punk as well. I have nothing nice to say about those 2.

Those guys made grown men decisions. If they are happy then I am happy for them. I can't figure out how you can not see the Kolo decision by Lebo in the same light as you see the Sampson and Armstrong decisions. Lebo, Sampson and Armstrong all made grown men decisions and now everyone will live with them.

(12-21-2013 02:39 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(12-21-2013 02:37 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(12-21-2013 02:34 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(12-21-2013 02:08 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(12-21-2013 02:01 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  ECU played a tough game, but home court advantage, which in basketball is considerable, was the difference today.

That certainly didn't help, but having 2 big men be quitting punks hurts way more.

When a coach runs a player off of a team, we don't call that kid a punk; we just say that he was not good enough to play for that coach. So it is not fair to call a kid a punk who decides to leave to pursue what he wants to do.

We didn't call "6'11" 250 Kolo a punk when Lebo didn't want him at ECU; so why should Armstrong and Sampson be considered punks when they no longer wanted to be at ECU. That is a serious double standard and totally unfair.

Armstrong quit to chase a girl and work at Toys R Us, he's a punk. Sampson quit because his mom and uncle convinced him he was too good for ECU and should be playing the 3, he's a punk as well. I have nothing nice to say about those 2.

Those guys made grown men decisions. If they are happy then I am happy for them. I can't figure out how you can not see the Kolo decision by Lebo in the same light as you see the Sampson and Armstrong decisions. Lebo, Sampson and Armstrong all made grown men decisions and now everyone will live with them.

Armstrong made an emotional decision because his girl broke up with him, that's not a grown man decision. Sampson let his mom and uncle talk him into something that both his dad and Terry Holland thought was a bad idea, that's not a grown man decision. I have nothing nice to say about either of them. Lebo now made what looks like a bad decision on Kolo based on things he couldn't see coming, but that will still work out in the long run. His scholarship will be filled by a better player next year, but this year we could use him.

So, they made bad decisions.... Why do you feel the need to run them into the ground b/c of it? Ultimately they're the one's that pay the price. Sampson will soon find out he's not as good as mama thought he was and I'm sure Armstrong will regret his decision (most likely). Big deal.

(12-21-2013 02:53 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  So, they made bad decisions.... Why do you feel the need to run them into the ground b/c of it? Ultimately they're the one's that pay the price. Sampson will soon find out he's not as good as mama thought he was and I'm sure Armstrong will regret his decision (most likely). Big deal.

Because ECU's season is going to pay the price for their bad decisions. This team could be special with those 2, and won't be because in the end you can't have this few big men and win at a high level. So it's a very big deal and I hope both end up regretting it.

Kolo and Lebo made his decision based on the information he had at the time when Armstrong was still there with that starting spot locked up. I'd imagine had Lebo and Kolo both knew, and Armstrong let us know in the spring rather than after school started that he would not play his choice might have been much different.You can't blame but one of those parties there.

I'm also kind of over the size being used for as much of an excuses as it is. Obviously it is an issue but I think you need to look deeper at how we play by choice. NC State was huge yet we played Zangari 21 minutes and Stith 22 minutes and they had 4 fouls combined. That means they played the entire game together for 3 minutes and the other 37 we had PRC and White at the Power Forward spot by choice. I'm all for getting your best players out there but that's what Lebo is doing by choice creating match up problems on offense for other teams but he needs to drop the size issue as much of an excuse if he's going to chose to play like that in a game like this. If he wanted better interior defense you play Stith and Zangari more.

Both Zangari and Stith have been solid and neither had much foul trouble and could have both played another 10 minutes each had Lebo made that choice today. He's not been willing to take White or PRC out or others players down the line up though and play bigger at the 4, so that excuse is starting to run thin. A lot of it is in his hands and how he is choosing to play, which I'm fine with but I'm starting to get sick of using it as an excuse and the fans running with it all the time. It's fine if you want to play small but you need to own it in games like this too because I do believe we are better with White and PRC on the court than Zangari regardless if out of position.

Bonds is a purple shade wearing purple koolaid drinking will ***** about anything fan.

(12-21-2013 02:47 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(12-21-2013 02:39 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(12-21-2013 02:37 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(12-21-2013 02:34 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(12-21-2013 02:08 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  That certainly didn't help, but having 2 big men be quitting punks hurts way more.

When a coach runs a player off of a team, we don't call that kid a punk; we just say that he was not good enough to play for that coach. So it is not fair to call a kid a punk who decides to leave to pursue what he wants to do.

We didn't call "6'11" 250 Kolo a punk when Lebo didn't want him at ECU; so why should Armstrong and Sampson be considered punks when they no longer wanted to be at ECU. That is a serious double standard and totally unfair.

Armstrong quit to chase a girl and work at Toys R Us, he's a punk. Sampson quit because his mom and uncle convinced him he was too good for ECU and should be playing the 3, he's a punk as well. I have nothing nice to say about those 2.

Those guys made grown men decisions. If they are happy then I am happy for them. I can't figure out how you can not see the Kolo decision by Lebo in the same light as you see the Sampson and Armstrong decisions. Lebo, Sampson and Armstrong all made grown men decisions and now everyone will live with them.

Armstrong made an emotional decision because his girl broke up with him, that's not a grown man decision. Sampson let his mom and uncle talk him into something that both his dad and Terry Holland thought was a bad idea, that's not a grown man decision. I have nothing nice to say about either of them. Lebo now made what looks like a bad decision on Kolo based on things he couldn't see coming, but that will still work out in the long run. His scholarship will be filled by a better player next year, but this year we could use him.

I am not trying to drag this out, but as a fan of the school's basketball team I just think that it is NOT o.k. to rip these guys for making decisions that benefit them, just like no one ripped Lebo for making a decision to let Kolo go that benefitted Lebo.

No facts that I am aware of have ever been released about the reason that Armstrong actually left the team. So we don't even know if Armstrong actually left because his girlfriend was pregnant? For all we know he could have left the team to the team to go and get a job to support an unborn kid. So I don't see any reason to criticize him or Sampson, because we don't know all of the facts. We do know that Armstrong was at ECU for 2 seasons (a redshirt year and last year) and that Sampson was on the team for 3 seasons; and that they both were on one of the best teams in ECU terrible basketball history. And for that I wish them both well in their future life.

Now if you want to look at something for what it is; then in addition to Kolo leaving, there was also another kid on the team named Darius Morales who transferred out. I am not sure, but I think that if Morales would have hung around then he would probably be a senior this year. Morales was not very good but he was an athletic "6'9" post player that blocked shots and rebounded. No one is calling him out for Lebo letting him go; so I just don't think that it is good form to call out Sampson and Armstrong for making their own decisions. So my final point is that coaches make decisions all the time to get ride of guys like Kolo and Morales, but keep guys like Torlak. I don't know the coaches reasons for decisions like that; just like I don't know the players reasons for leaving programs, but I have grown to respect the decisions of people.

(12-21-2013 03:47 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Kolo and Lebo made his decision based on the information he had at the time when Armstrong was still there with that starting spot locked up. I'd imagine had Lebo and Kolo both knew, and Armstrong let us know in the spring rather than after school started that he would not play his choice might have been much different.You can't blame but one of those parties there.

Armstrong had a right to make a decision just like Lebo and Kolo did. Lebo chose not to keep big man insurance like Kolo (or for that matter Morales from a few years ago), but he chose to keep little man insurance like Torlak. Hindsight decisions are always 50/50, so we as fans should just accept it and move on.

(12-21-2013 04:39 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  Bonds is a purple shade wearing purple koolaid drinking will ***** about anything fan.

Damn so now I'm purple shade wearing? I thought I was the most negative trash ECU fan ever and now you are saying I'm the exact opposite?

(12-21-2013 04:51 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(12-21-2013 03:47 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Kolo and Lebo made his decision based on the information he had at the time when Armstrong was still there with that starting spot locked up. I'd imagine had Lebo and Kolo both knew, and Armstrong let us know in the spring rather than after school started that he would not play his choice might have been much different.You can't blame but one of those parties there.

Armstrong had a right to make a decision just like Lebo and Kolo did. Lebo chose not to keep big man insurance like Kolo (or for that matter Morales from a few years ago), but he chose to keep little man insurance like Torlak. Hindsight decisions are always 50/50, so we as fans should just accept it and move on.

He has a right to make a decision just like I have a right to call him out for it. We are both just exercising our rights. Also I didn't know you could have 50/50 vision that's pretty impressive.

Lebo is choosing to play PRC and White at the PF more instead of Zangari and Stith because we are better with them on the court even if they are out of position. I really don't think having guys like Kolo or Morales while they would be nice insurance but they wouldn't necessarily be getting big minutes over them regardless. I don't even know that the bigs we have waiting to come in next year that will put them on the bench as well as they are playing together. I do however think Armstrong would have been playing as minutes a game as he could stay out of foul trouble probably 30+ many games and taking some of those minutes and some of Zangari's as well. He was legitimately that good.

(12-21-2013 04:54 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(12-21-2013 04:51 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(12-21-2013 03:47 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Kolo and Lebo made his decision based on the information he had at the time when Armstrong was still there with that starting spot locked up. I'd imagine had Lebo and Kolo both knew, and Armstrong let us know in the spring rather than after school started that he would not play his choice might have been much different.You can't blame but one of those parties there.

Armstrong had a right to make a decision just like Lebo and Kolo did. Lebo chose not to keep big man insurance like Kolo (or for that matter Morales from a few years ago), but he chose to keep little man insurance like Torlak. Hindsight decisions are always 50/50, so we as fans should just accept it and move on.

He has a right to make a decision just like I have a right to call him out for it. We are both just exercising our rights. Also I didn't know you could have 50/50 vision that's pretty impressive.

From hindsight purposes you could. BTW, I think I heard Pat Dye say that once.

State's inside size hurt us a lot today.... but we kept it pretty close and had moments looking like a comeback was possible. I liked how well we started.

(12-21-2013 02:59 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(12-21-2013 02:53 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  So, they made bad decisions.... Why do you feel the need to run them into the ground b/c of it? Ultimately they're the one's that pay the price. Sampson will soon find out he's not as good as mama thought he was and I'm sure Armstrong will regret his decision (most likely). Big deal.

Because ECU's season is going to pay the price for their bad decisions. This team could be special with those 2, and won't be because in the end you can't have this few big men and win at a high level. So it's a very big deal and I hope both end up regretting it.

I think you take these things way too seriously.

(12-22-2013 12:10 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(12-21-2013 02:59 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(12-21-2013 02:53 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  So, they made bad decisions.... Why do you feel the need to run them into the ground b/c of it? Ultimately they're the one's that pay the price. Sampson will soon find out he's not as good as mama thought he was and I'm sure Armstrong will regret his decision (most likely). Big deal.

Because ECU's season is going to pay the price for their bad decisions. This team could be special with those 2, and won't be because in the end you can't have this few big men and win at a high level. So it's a very big deal and I hope both end up regretting it.

I think you take these things way too seriously.

For this poster Dr Phil's quote best applies - "The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior "

His lack of self control keeps him from "calling out" players every time something doesn't go well.

(12-21-2013 09:05 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  State's inside size hurt us a lot today.... but we kept it pretty close and had moments looking like a comeback was possible. I liked how well we started.

Yep.

I was at the game and have to say that Lebo is doing a fine job even though State had a considerably bigger team. They played hard and scrapped. If we can get some size in the post next year, then we will get solid. Vandenberg had about 10 dunks, several of which were alley oops.