(12-24-2013 12:09 PM)Usajags Wrote:  We aren't the ones that were beating our chest, it was you guys that said you were the "vastly superior" team. We just pointed out that that was horribly wrong evaluation of our two teams. We did beat both of the teams that were in that bowl, it is a moral victory, but we know what that is worth. We will get our chances to prove our worth, this year was just a wake up call to everyone that we have arrived and can't be taken lightly. We aren't behind like everyone thought we would be.

If anyone truly felt USA were way behind they were crazy last year anyone with football knowledge could see that the Jags wouldn't be GaSt this year. There are no elite football programs in this conference and on any given Saturday anyone can be beaten. Just watch GaSt next year they will have 2-4 victories. From top to bottom the conference is getting better. I do hope your program continues to improve it only helps the perception of the conference. This year was our year to show what we could do. Next year we will be stacked but that doesn't guarantee anything. I understand moral victories because we were there but I'm going to enjoy this championship and will go on record as saying the road to the championship goes through Lafayette and Jonesboro next year. If any of our fans truly believe some of the crap they post then they are on some good stuff.

(12-24-2013 12:20 PM)CAJUNCOUNTRY Wrote:  

(12-24-2013 12:09 PM)Usajags Wrote:  We aren't the ones that were beating our chest, it was you guys that said you were the "vastly superior" team. We just pointed out that that was horribly wrong evaluation of our two teams. We did beat both of the teams that were in that bowl, it is a moral victory, but we know what that is worth. We will get our chances to prove our worth, this year was just a wake up call to everyone that we have arrived and can't be taken lightly. We aren't behind like everyone thought we would be.

If anyone truly felt USA were way behind they were crazy last year anyone with football knowledge could see that the Jags wouldn't be GaSt this year. There are no elite football programs in this conference and on any given Saturday anyone can be beaten. Just watch GaSt next year they will have 2-4 victories. From top to bottom the conference is getting better. I do hope your program continues to improve it only helps the perception of the conference. This year was our year to show what we could do. Next year we will be stacked but that doesn't guarantee anything. I understand moral victories because we were there but I'm going to enjoy this championship and will go on record as saying the road to the championship goes through Lafayette and Jonesboro next year. If any of our fans truly believe some of the crap they post then they are on some good stuff.

With the way GaSt finished the season, it wouldn't surprise me if they also compete for the conference championship next year. Our league is the definition of parity. For our league to jump to MWC status, we do need that one team to go on a multi year run of winning everything, conference, OOC, bowls. That way they can climb into the top 10 for a couple of years are bring some attention. The bad thing is, when Boise was on their run, how many of there games did you really see on TV, not many because the MWC isn't on a lot of TV's.

(12-24-2013 12:31 PM)Usajags Wrote:  

(12-24-2013 12:20 PM)CAJUNCOUNTRY Wrote:  

(12-24-2013 12:09 PM)Usajags Wrote:  We aren't the ones that were beating our chest, it was you guys that said you were the "vastly superior" team. We just pointed out that that was horribly wrong evaluation of our two teams. We did beat both of the teams that were in that bowl, it is a moral victory, but we know what that is worth. We will get our chances to prove our worth, this year was just a wake up call to everyone that we have arrived and can't be taken lightly. We aren't behind like everyone thought we would be.

If anyone truly felt USA were way behind they were crazy last year anyone with football knowledge could see that the Jags wouldn't be GaSt this year. There are no elite football programs in this conference and on any given Saturday anyone can be beaten. Just watch GaSt next year they will have 2-4 victories. From top to bottom the conference is getting better. I do hope your program continues to improve it only helps the perception of the conference. This year was our year to show what we could do. Next year we will be stacked but that doesn't guarantee anything. I understand moral victories because we were there but I'm going to enjoy this championship and will go on record as saying the road to the championship goes through Lafayette and Jonesboro next year. If any of our fans truly believe some of the crap they post then they are on some good stuff.

With the way GaSt finished the season, it wouldn't surprise me if they also compete for the conference championship next year. Our league is the definition of parity. For our league to jump to MWC status, we do need that one team to go on a multi year run of winning everything, conference, OOC, bowls. That way they can climb into the top 10 for a couple of years are bring some attention. The bad thing is, when Boise was on their run, how many of there games did you really see on TV, not many because the MWC isn't on a lot of TV's.

The problem is there is a lot of parity in the conference that's evident by the way the Cajuns ended the regular season to blame it on our quarterback is crazy good schools should have depth and no one player makes a team. So even if someone gets a good OC run they may stumble in the conference look at WKU this year but it may happen and if it does I pray that its the Cajuns just like everyone else pray that its them. Our schedule sets up pretty good next year if we can take care of OC games. Southern, Boise State, La Tech and Ole Miss to start the season. Hopefully we will be 4-0 or 3-1 and not 1-3 or 2-2.

(12-24-2013 12:31 PM)Usajags Wrote:  

(12-24-2013 12:20 PM)CAJUNCOUNTRY Wrote:  

(12-24-2013 12:09 PM)Usajags Wrote:  We aren't the ones that were beating our chest, it was you guys that said you were the "vastly superior" team. We just pointed out that that was horribly wrong evaluation of our two teams. We did beat both of the teams that were in that bowl, it is a moral victory, but we know what that is worth. We will get our chances to prove our worth, this year was just a wake up call to everyone that we have arrived and can't be taken lightly. We aren't behind like everyone thought we would be.

If anyone truly felt USA were way behind they were crazy last year anyone with football knowledge could see that the Jags wouldn't be GaSt this year. There are no elite football programs in this conference and on any given Saturday anyone can be beaten. Just watch GaSt next year they will have 2-4 victories. From top to bottom the conference is getting better. I do hope your program continues to improve it only helps the perception of the conference. This year was our year to show what we could do. Next year we will be stacked but that doesn't guarantee anything. I understand moral victories because we were there but I'm going to enjoy this championship and will go on record as saying the road to the championship goes through Lafayette and Jonesboro next year. If any of our fans truly believe some of the crap they post then they are on some good stuff.

With the way GaSt finished the season, it wouldn't surprise me if they also compete for the conference championship next year. Our league is the definition of parity. For our league to jump to MWC status, we do need that one team to go on a multi year run of winning everything, conference, OOC, bowls. That way they can climb into the top 10 for a couple of years are bring some attention. The bad thing is, when Boise was on their run, how many of there games did you really see on TV, not many because the MWC isn't on a lot of TV's.

Boise state was in the WAC when theyade their string of runs. You saw them on tv a lot... It was just on Thursday nights.

(12-24-2013 11:52 AM)Usajags Wrote:  Funny you call us a junior college, because until 1962, that is exactly where you competed..

Know your history!!!

UL was not a junior college in 1962. And it took 50 years for your program to discover football?

(12-24-2013 12:09 PM)Usajags Wrote:  We aren't the ones that were beating our chest, it was you guys that said you were the "vastly superior" team. We just pointed out that that was horribly wrong evaluation of our two teams. We did beat both of the teams that were in that bowl, it is a moral victory, but we know what that is worth. We will get our chances to prove our worth, this year was just a wake up call to everyone that we have arrived and can't be taken lightly. We aren't behind like everyone thought we would be.

I love pulling your chain..... Merry Christmas and looking forward to next year....

(12-24-2013 12:09 PM)Usajags Wrote:  We aren't the ones that were beating our chest, it was you guys that said you were the "vastly superior" team. We just pointed out that that was horribly wrong evaluation of our two teams. We did beat both of the teams that were in that bowl, it is a moral victory, but we know what that is worth. We will get our chances to prove our worth, this year was just a wake up call to everyone that we have arrived and can't be taken lightly. We aren't behind like everyone thought we would be.

Very few Cajun fans discounted USA as a potential contender for the Conference title. Many of us have long predicted the Jags to be a major player, given their location and the love for football in Alabama.

Louisiana has never been a junior college in academics or in sports.

UL has been playing competitive football on a continuous basis since 1901 long before your college ever existed Usajags. UL has never been in division 1AA unlike LTU@RusTon, like stAte, like MoanRow, or associate member Troy in the old Southland, and South as a newbie.

No doubt UL, in part due to state law regarding funding, has been a laggard in progressing their program, but I think this very impressive recent growth is simply the tip of the iceberg. There is plenty of money in Acadiana that was simply waiting to be asked to the party in the proper way.

Time will tell if USA rises or falls but so far you doing pretty good for a newbie.

(12-25-2013 11:09 AM)CajunExpress Wrote:  Louisiana has never been a junior college in academics or in sports.

UL has been playing competitive football on a continuous basis since 1901 long before your college ever existed Usajags. UL has never been in division 1AA unlike LTU@RusTon, like stAte, like MoanRow, or associate member Troy in the old Southland, and South as a newbie.

No doubt UL, in part due to state law regarding funding, has been a laggard in progressing their program, but I think this very impressive recent growth is simply the tip of the iceberg. There is plenty of money in Acadiana that was simply waiting to be asked to the party in the proper way.

Time will tell if USA rises or falls but so far you doing pretty good for a newbie.

Why does the College Football Database list the following for ULL?

1937-1962 NJCAA

1963-1972 NCAA College Division (Small College)

1973-1973 NCAA Division II

1974-1977 NCAA Division I

1978-20XX NCAA Division I-A

(12-25-2013 01:14 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  [quote='CajunExpress' pid='10210669' dateline='1387987778']
Louisiana has never been a junior college in academics or in sports.

UL has been playing competitive football on a continuous basis since 1901 long before your college ever existed Usajags. UL has never been in division 1AA unlike LTU@RusTon, like stAte, like MoanRow, or associate member Troy in the old Southland, and South as a newbie.

No doubt UL, in part due to state law regarding funding, has been a laggard in progressing their program, but I think this very impressive recent growth is simply the tip of the iceberg. There is plenty of money in Acadiana that was simply waiting to be asked to the party in the proper way.

Time will tell if USA rises or falls but so far you doing pretty good for a newbie.

He is right about UL never being Division 1-AA. In 1978, when the NCAA decided to divide Division 1, which UL was a member of, into subdivisions 1-A and 1-AA, UL chose Division 1-A which came with requirements, such the number of men and womens sports sponsored, number of scholarships, 10 full time coaches and 2 grad assistants. 5 home games in football, avg. 15,000 anually, and I think the stadium had to seat 30,000 because I remember we had to add a few seats.
I think he might be wrong about LaTech. When this came down we were all in the Southland conference. Those that chose 1-A became Independent and the ones that went 1-AA, such as McNeese, Lamar, ULM remained in the Southland. UL, Ark St, and LaTech eventually moved to the Big West. So like he said, UL was NEVER 1-AA.

(12-25-2013 06:30 PM)IdahoCajun Wrote:  

(12-25-2013 01:14 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  [quote='CajunExpress' pid='10210669' dateline='1387987778']
Louisiana has never been a junior college in academics or in sports.

UL has been playing competitive football on a continuous basis since 1901 long before your college ever existed Usajags. UL has never been in division 1AA unlike LTU@RusTon, like stAte, like MoanRow, or associate member Troy in the old Southland, and South as a newbie.

No doubt UL, in part due to state law regarding funding, has been a laggard in progressing their program, but I think this very impressive recent growth is simply the tip of the iceberg. There is plenty of money in Acadiana that was simply waiting to be asked to the party in the proper way.

Time will tell if USA rises or falls but so far you doing pretty good for a newbie.

He is right about UL never being Division 1-AA. In 1978, when the NCAA decided to divide Division 1, which UL was a member of, into subdivisions 1-A and 1-AA, UL chose Division 1-A which came with requirements, such the number of men and womens sports sponsored, number of scholarships, 10 full time coaches and 2 grad assistants. 5 home games in football, avg. 15,000 anually, and I think the stadium had to seat 30,000 because I remember we had to add a few seats.
I think he might be wrong about LaTech. When this came down we were all in the Southland conference. Those that chose 1-A became Independent and the ones that went 1-AA, such as McNeese, Lamar, ULM remained in the Southland. UL, Ark St, and LaTech eventually moved to the Big West. So like he said, UL was NEVER 1-AA.

Technically, that's correct. When ULL moved up to Division i in 1974 from Division II (which was like being IAA), they did not move back down in 1978 when the NCAA divided Division 1 into 1A and 1AA. There were some schools that moved up to Division 1 in 1974 when ULL did from Division II who later, after the 1A / 1AA split, did move back down for a few years. Arkansas State moved down to 1AA for 9 years and LaTech did for 6 years. Most of them have since moved to 1A or later FBS. To say ULL was never IAA is a bit misleading in that Division II and the earlier designation of College Division were basically the same thing with a different name.

(12-25-2013 07:00 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(12-25-2013 06:30 PM)IdahoCajun Wrote:  

(12-25-2013 01:14 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  [quote='CajunExpress' pid='10210669' dateline='1387987778']
Louisiana has never been a junior college in academics or in sports.

UL has been playing competitive football on a continuous basis since 1901 long before your college ever existed Usajags. UL has never been in division 1AA unlike LTU@RusTon, like stAte, like MoanRow, or associate member Troy in the old Southland, and South as a newbie.

No doubt UL, in part due to state law regarding funding, has been a laggard in progressing their program, but I think this very impressive recent growth is simply the tip of the iceberg. There is plenty of money in Acadiana that was simply waiting to be asked to the party in the proper way.

Time will tell if USA rises or falls but so far you doing pretty good for a newbie.

He is right about UL never being Division 1-AA. In 1978, when the NCAA decided to divide Division 1, which UL was a member of, into subdivisions 1-A and 1-AA, UL chose Division 1-A which came with requirements, such the number of men and womens sports sponsored, number of scholarships, 10 full time coaches and 2 grad assistants. 5 home games in football, avg. 15,000 anually, and I think the stadium had to seat 30,000 because I remember we had to add a few seats.
I think he might be wrong about LaTech. When this came down we were all in the Southland conference. Those that chose 1-A became Independent and the ones that went 1-AA, such as McNeese, Lamar, ULM remained in the Southland. UL, Ark St, and LaTech eventually moved to the Big West. So like he said, UL was NEVER 1-AA.

Technically, that's correct. When ULL moved up to Division i in 1974 from Division II (which was like being IAA), they did not move back down in 1978 when the NCAA divided Division 1 into 1A and 1AA. There were some schools that moved up to Division 1 in 1974 when ULL did from Division II who later, after the 1A / 1AA split, did move back down for a few years. Arkansas State moved down to 1AA for 9 years and LaTech did for 6 years. Most of them have since moved to 1A or later FBS. To say ULL was never IAA is a bit misleading in that Division II and the earlier designation of College Division were basically the same thing with a different name.

No its not. There was no such designation at the time. Its confusing to you because you where ignorant of the history.

(12-25-2013 08:53 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(12-25-2013 07:00 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(12-25-2013 06:30 PM)IdahoCajun Wrote:  

(12-25-2013 01:14 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  [quote='CajunExpress' pid='10210669' dateline='1387987778']
Louisiana has never been a junior college in academics or in sports.

UL has been playing competitive football on a continuous basis since 1901 long before your college ever existed Usajags. UL has never been in division 1AA unlike LTU@RusTon, like stAte, like MoanRow, or associate member Troy in the old Southland, and South as a newbie.

No doubt UL, in part due to state law regarding funding, has been a laggard in progressing their program, but I think this very impressive recent growth is simply the tip of the iceberg. There is plenty of money in Acadiana that was simply waiting to be asked to the party in the proper way.

Time will tell if USA rises or falls but so far you doing pretty good for a newbie.

He is right about UL never being Division 1-AA. In 1978, when the NCAA decided to divide Division 1, which UL was a member of, into subdivisions 1-A and 1-AA, UL chose Division 1-A which came with requirements, such the number of men and womens sports sponsored, number of scholarships, 10 full time coaches and 2 grad assistants. 5 home games in football, avg. 15,000 anually, and I think the stadium had to seat 30,000 because I remember we had to add a few seats.
I think he might be wrong about LaTech. When this came down we were all in the Southland conference. Those that chose 1-A became Independent and the ones that went 1-AA, such as McNeese, Lamar, ULM remained in the Southland. UL, Ark St, and LaTech eventually moved to the Big West. So like he said, UL was NEVER 1-AA.

Technically, that's correct. When ULL moved up to Division i in 1974 from Division II (which was like being IAA), they did not move back down in 1978 when the NCAA divided Division 1 into 1A and 1AA. There were some schools that moved up to Division 1 in 1974 when ULL did from Division II who later, after the 1A / 1AA split, did move back down for a few years. Arkansas State moved down to 1AA for 9 years and LaTech did for 6 years. Most of them have since moved to 1A or later FBS. To say ULL was never IAA is a bit misleading in that Division II and the earlier designation of College Division were basically the same thing with a different name.

No its not. There was no such designation at the time. Its confusing to you because you where ignorant of the history.

Please be a little more specific about my ignorance? Do you deny that ULL was at one time in the College Division (which was a step below the University Division) and also at one time at the Division II level (which was a step below the Division 1 level)? As i mentioned above, technically you were never 1AA but realistically you were at that level (one level below the top level) until you moved to Division 1 in 1974.

Why does the College Football Database list the following for ULL?

1937-1962 NJCAA

1963-1972 NCAA College Division (Small College)

1973-1973 NCAA Division II

1974-1977 NCAA Division I

1978-20XX NCAA Division I-A
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http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_I_(NCAA)

I don't see in the list where UL went to Division 1AA after moving to Division 1A, seems it would be there. In 1973, the NCAA tried to replace University and College Divisions with numerical classifications, I, II, III. UL or would you rather me use USL?.In 1973 only, is ULclassified as Division II, which is different from the Div.II. classification of today. Once they subdivided Div.I into 1A and 1AA, UL has always been 1A. I've been around the program along time. I remember those times well because it broke up a good conference with many long rivalries. I could be wrong, but I was so glad that we didn't go 1AA like McNeese, Lamar, ULM, etc.

(12-25-2013 09:41 PM)IdahoCajun Wrote:  Why does the College Football Database list the following for ULL?

1937-1962 NJCAA

1963-1972 NCAA College Division (Small College)

1973-1973 NCAA Division II

1974-1977 NCAA Division I

1978-20XX NCAA Division I-A

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_I_(NCAA)

I don't see in the list where UL went to Division 1AA after moving to Division 1A, seems it would be there. In 1973, the NCAA tried to replace University and College Divisions with numerical classifications, I, II, III. UL or would you rather me use USL?.In 1973 only, is ULclassified as Division II, which is different from the Div.II. classification of today. Once they subdivided Div.I into 1A and 1AA, UL has always been 1A. I've been around the program along time. I remember those times well because it broke up a good conference with many long rivalries. I could be wrong, but I was so glad that we didn't go 1AA like McNeese, Lamar, ULM, etc.

That's exactly what I've been saying. ULL never went to IAA. However, you can't deny that the major football programs were once College and University Divisions, later to be called Division 1 and Division II, and later to be called IA and IAA and now called FBS and FCS. Granted, when Division 1 was subdivided into IA and IAA, most DII schools became IAA and most Div1 schools became IA.

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That's exactly what I've been saying. ULL never went to IAA. However, you can't deny that the major football programs were once College and University Divisions, later to be called Division 1 and Division II, and later to be called IA and IAA and now called FBS and FCS. Granted, when Division 1 was subdivided into IA and IAA, most DII schools became IAA and most Div1 schools became IA.
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The only problem I have with that is that all Division 1 schools could goto a Bowl if invited, but after the division, the teams that dropped to 1AA because of lack of finances or not willing to put the finances toward athletics to meet the 1A requirements could no longer goto a bowl.

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That's exactly what I've been saying. ULL never went to IAA. However, you can't deny that the major football programs were once College and University Divisions, later to be called Division 1 and Division II, and later to be called IA and IAA and now called FBS and FCS. Granted, when Division 1 was subdivided into IA and IAA, most DII schools became IAA and most Div1 schools became IA.
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The only problem I have with that is that all Division 1 schools could goto a Bowl if invited before the division, but after the division, the teams that dropped to 1AA because of lack of finances or not willing to put the finances toward athletics to meet the 1A requirements could no longer goto a bowl.

(12-25-2013 09:24 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(12-25-2013 08:53 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(12-25-2013 07:00 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(12-25-2013 06:30 PM)IdahoCajun Wrote:  

(12-25-2013 01:14 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  [quote='CajunExpress' pid='10210669' dateline='1387987778']
Louisiana has never been a junior college in academics or in sports.

UL has been playing competitive football on a continuous basis since 1901 long before your college ever existed Usajags. UL has never been in division 1AA unlike LTU@RusTon, like stAte, like MoanRow, or associate member Troy in the old Southland, and South as a newbie.

No doubt UL, in part due to state law regarding funding, has been a laggard in progressing their program, but I think this very impressive recent growth is simply the tip of the iceberg. There is plenty of money in Acadiana that was simply waiting to be asked to the party in the proper way.

Time will tell if USA rises or falls but so far you doing pretty good for a newbie.

He is right about UL never being Division 1-AA. In 1978, when the NCAA decided to divide Division 1, which UL was a member of, into subdivisions 1-A and 1-AA, UL chose Division 1-A which came with requirements, such the number of men and womens sports sponsored, number of scholarships, 10 full time coaches and 2 grad assistants. 5 home games in football, avg. 15,000 anually, and I think the stadium had to seat 30,000 because I remember we had to add a few seats.
I think he might be wrong about LaTech. When this came down we were all in the Southland conference. Those that chose 1-A became Independent and the ones that went 1-AA, such as McNeese, Lamar, ULM remained in the Southland. UL, Ark St, and LaTech eventually moved to the Big West. So like he said, UL was NEVER 1-AA.

Technically, that's correct. When ULL moved up to Division i in 1974 from Division II (which was like being IAA), they did not move back down in 1978 when the NCAA divided Division 1 into 1A and 1AA. There were some schools that moved up to Division 1 in 1974 when ULL did from Division II who later, after the 1A / 1AA split, did move back down for a few years. Arkansas State moved down to 1AA for 9 years and LaTech did for 6 years. Most of them have since moved to 1A or later FBS. To say ULL was never IAA is a bit misleading in that Division II and the earlier designation of College Division were basically the same thing with a different name.

No its not. There was no such designation at the time. Its confusing to you because you where ignorant of the history.

Please be a little more specific about my ignorance? Do you deny that ULL was at one time in the College Division (which was a step below the University Division) and also at one time at the Division II level (which was a step below the Division 1 level)? As i mentioned above, technically you were never 1AA but realistically you were at that level (one level below the top level) until you moved to Division 1 in 1974.

The fact that you had to look it up to get clarification on the designations, means you where ignorant on the subject. For those of us that are fans of this program and probably older then you, knew there was no D1AA designation at the time. Yes, there was a lower division and the fact remains UL was never 1AA.

If the stAtes and the ULs of the time were college division what was the delta state's of the world classified as? That would be Division 2 today.

(12-26-2013 11:09 AM)OsageJ Wrote:  If the stAtes and the ULs of the time were college division what was the delta state's of the world classified as? That would be Division 2 today.

Cajuns and Delta State were in the same conference for a few years (Southern Intercollegiate Athletic Association), from 1938-'41. Obviously, that was a long time ago.