1. I recall when Texas hired Mack from UNC, I thought "Boy couldn't they do better?" I certainly was wrong.

2. In general, IMO Brown did a very good coaching job and was good for Texas. However, there does seem to be a point that any long term successful coach can come under heavy pressure from the fan (ie. donor) base and they want change. Same thing happened to Bobby Bowden. Who's next? Frank Beamer?

3. I predict that whoever Texas hires, the donor base won't be happy because they wanted Saban.

I'd be curious to hear from Terry/other ND fans on how this compares to ND. Both cases Brown/Holtz- the coach was 1 year away from breaking the schools all time wins record held by an iconic coach. Can't really remember the circumstances when Holtz left ND.

(12-19-2013 03:38 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  1. I recall when Texas hired Mack from UNC, I thought "Boy couldn't they do better?" I certainly was wrong.

2. In general, IMO Brown did a very good coaching job and was good for Texas. However, there does seem to be a point that any long term successful coach can come under heavy pressure from the fan (ie. donor) base and they want change. Same thing happened to Bobby Bowden. Who's next? Frank Beamer?

3. I predict that whoever Texas hires, the donor base won't be happy because they wanted Saban.

Given the lofty expectations, a Harbaugh, Mike Tomlin, Pete Carroll, Chip Kelly, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, or Aaron Rodgers are about the only people that would not disappoint Texas at some level if Saban is truly out of the running.

I'd like to get opinions on whether Mack Brown has any gas left in the tank to coach somewhere else. I would love to see Brown come to SMU with a young staff that recruits well. Brown is the figurehead, maybe with a HCIW (much like Larry Brown's staff in basketball).

I am quite sure, however, that Brown will make twice as much money by shaking hands and kissing babies in Austin as he would coaching elsewhere.

(12-19-2013 04:24 PM)Carolina Stang Wrote:  I'd like to get opinions on whether Mack Brown has any gas left in the tank to coach somewhere else. I would love to see Brown come to SMU with a young staff that recruits well. Brown is the figurehead, maybe with a HCIW (much like Larry Brown's staff in basketball).

I am quite sure, however, that Brown will make twice as much money by shaking hands and kissing babies in Austin as he would coaching elsewhere.

Perhaps he'd be a good analyst/color guy on some network?

(12-19-2013 04:24 PM)Carolina Stang Wrote:  I'd like to get opinions on whether Mack Brown has any gas left in the tank to coach somewhere else. I would love to see Brown come to SMU with a young staff that recruits well. Brown is the figurehead, maybe with a HCIW (much like Larry Brown's staff in basketball).

I am quite sure, however, that Brown will make twice as much money by shaking hands and kissing babies in Austin as he would coaching elsewhere.

I would have thought the same thing with Phil Fulmer, but it didn't turn out that way.

I met Mack when he was head coach at APP State. Really good man.

This is getting even better as Texas has now appointed a committee to find a new coach. On the committee, several present and former corporate CEOs and an Ambassador to Lichtenstein.

Yep, that should do it.

(12-19-2013 05:31 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  This is getting even better as Texas has now appointed a committee to find a new coach. On the committee, several present and former corporate CEOs and an Ambassador to Lichtenstein.

Yep, that should do it.

Did the Lichtensteinian ambassador realize what form of football they're dealing with?

(12-19-2013 04:24 PM)Carolina Stang Wrote:  I'd like to get opinions on whether Mack Brown has any gas left in the tank to coach somewhere else. I would love to see Brown come to SMU with a young staff that recruits well. Brown is the figurehead, maybe with a HCIW (much like Larry Brown's staff in basketball).

I am quite sure, however, that Brown will make twice as much money by shaking hands and kissing babies in Austin as he would coaching elsewhere.

He does, but he won't. He's 62 and in good health. But he loves Austin. I think he would have liked a couple more years at Texas, but could see it wouldn't work.

(12-19-2013 03:38 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  1. I recall when Texas hired Mack from UNC, I thought "Boy couldn't they do better?" I certainly was wrong.

2. In general, IMO Brown did a very good coaching job and was good for Texas. However, there does seem to be a point that any long term successful coach can come under heavy pressure from the fan (ie. donor) base and they want change. Same thing happened to Bobby Bowden. Who's next? Frank Beamer?

3. I predict that whoever Texas hires, the donor base won't be happy because they wanted Saban.

If the fan base's idea of a long term hire is a 62 year old man who longs to be an analyst on ESPN then they are stupid. The committee they put together is a microcosm of what is wrong with our country. A couple of local folks intimidated by CEO's and government officials to find a PC hire who will perpetuate the status quo in business and politics, lovely. The committee in and of itself is why nobody will succeed wildly at Texas. There are too many chiefs to please, too many hands to shake, too many egos to stroke, and too many microphones not to eventually slip up. Saban could never have handled it. He is uni-focused. When he wakes up its football, at lunch its football, when he goes to bed its football. There is no room in the Saban day for anything other than obligatory office interviews before the LSU game with an ESPN representative and even then it is short to the point and luke warm terse. The Texas position and the Saban way are oil and vinegar. He'll stay at Alabama until he can retire with another national championship and then he will spend time with his new grandbaby, embrace the role of a talking head, and spend time with Miss Terry. And as much as I hate Alabama if he does that even Auburn folks will tell you what a great coach he is, and finally we will appreciate him for being a more fully rounded human being.

Mack Brown was a nice guy who was overly concerned with PR. Maybe Dabo Swinney is not such a bad idea after all.

(12-19-2013 03:38 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  2. In general, IMO Brown did a very good coaching job and was good for Texas. However, there does seem to be a point that any long term successful coach can come under heavy pressure from the fan (ie. donor) base and they want change. Same thing happened to Bobby Bowden. Who's next? Frank Beamer?

I would suggest Bob Stoops since he has been at Okie about as long as Mack. But Stoops was failrly young when hired, since it was his first head coaching job. I actually am amazed Stoops has done so consistently well, considering it was first job, but I gues he learned under Hayden Fry, Bill Synder, and Steve Spurrier, which helps.

Speaking of Synder and Spurrier, it is amazing neither one has lost his edge yet. both will be able to name the retirement date with no pressure, I assume. Same with Kirk Ferentz.

SI has come up with a rather unique way of picking the UT coach: A bracket.
http://college-football.si.com/2013/12/1...h-bracket/

Note: Bracket has no known influence over the committee's choice.

(12-19-2013 03:41 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I'd be curious to hear from Terry/other ND fans on how this compares to ND. Both cases Brown/Holtz- the coach was 1 year away from breaking the schools all time wins record held by an iconic coach. Can't really remember the circumstances when Holtz left ND.

Lou Holtz was forced out by then AD Mike Wadsworth and by ND president Father Edmund "Monk" Malloy.

Holtz did not have the same relationship he had with people like former ADs Moose Krause, Dick Rosenthall and Gene Corrigan (who had become ACC commissioner).

"Under the Tarnished Dome" (mostly full of crap) had just come out.

Holtz had gone 64-9 from 1988 through 1993. He had taken ND to a national championship and nine straight bowls.

The Holy Cross fathers had thought that football was overshadowing academics at ND.

Randy Moss was denied admission after he had committed to ND. Academic restrictions on recruiting were tightened.

So, Holtz was forced out, as periodically happens at ND. See Frank Leahy in 1953.

There is a constant battle between academics and football success at ND. The pendulum swings back and forth.

Right now, it is swinging in the direction of football success. If Brian Kelly is too successful, it will eventually swing in the other direction.

(12-19-2013 07:34 PM)mnjayhawk Wrote:  SI has come up with a rather unique way of picking the UT coach: A bracket.
http://college-football.si.com/2013/12/1...h-bracket/

Note: Bracket has no known influence over the committee's choice.

Bill O'Brien jumps out on this list. I didn't think of him but that would be a great hire.

(12-19-2013 08:37 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  

(12-19-2013 07:34 PM)mnjayhawk Wrote:  SI has come up with a rather unique way of picking the UT coach: A bracket.
http://college-football.si.com/2013/12/1...h-bracket/

Note: Bracket has no known influence over the committee's choice.

Bill O'Brien jumps out on this list. I didn't think of him but that would be a great hire.

Reportedly the Vikings and Texans have expressed interest, so the line forms to the left.

Mack Brown's success at North Carolina mirrored the success Jimmy Johnson had at Dallas. After going through a tough few years where UNC won a game each year, the fruits of Brown's work started working.

NC State may have been the first ACC team to defeat Florida State but Brown's UNC teams, at the end, were national championship level teams. He had unbelievable good recruiting and just couldn't win the big games.

Brown was the perfect hire for Texas.

(12-19-2013 08:37 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  

(12-19-2013 07:34 PM)mnjayhawk Wrote:  SI has come up with a rather unique way of picking the UT coach: A bracket.
http://college-football.si.com/2013/12/1...h-bracket/

Note: Bracket has no known influence over the committee's choice.

Bill O'Brien jumps out on this list. I didn't think of him but that would be a great hire.

O'Brien is amazing and would be a great hire for Texas.