He is a great LB coach and well-respected by HS coaches in PA and Maryland. He also has Midwestern connections (he was DC at NW back in the day and coached at PSU in the B1G for forever).

If HCSS plays a large role in the defense, his play calling won't matter that much (not that I think that it would be bed if it did), but his training/coaching/player development would be HUGE. He would also add a TON of credibility with HS coaches. IMO, he would be great for recruiting. HCSS and our OC have the passion to sell to kids, and RV has the experience to sell to their parents and HS coaches, and that is a perfect combination.

**For anyone that doesn't know, I think O'Brien fired him last week due to artistic differences (PSU is transitioning to a 5-2-4)**

It's worth noting that he is ELITE at developing LB's.

He was one of the 2 hold overs from the old staff.
Not sure why he was told to move on now.

(12-15-2013 09:23 PM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  He was one of the 2 hold overs from the old staff.
Not sure why he was told to move on now.

He's been at PSU since 2001, so he was there during the incident McQueary viewed, all the subsequent coverup and rumors and innuendo flowing around creepy valley the last decade, and Sandusky having access to practices (with his 2nd mile kids, no less), let along all the other things you'll probably never hear about. He's toxic, and the trials for their administrators are coming up soon, as well as more civil suits and the Clery violations report, so it could have something to do with it. Frankly, it is unconscionable that he and Larry Johnson were ever retained.

(12-15-2013 09:46 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(12-15-2013 09:23 PM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  He was one of the 2 hold overs from the old staff.
Not sure why he was told to move on now.

He's been at PSU since 2001, so he was there during the incident McQueary viewed, all the subsequent coverup and rumors and innuendo flowing around creepy valley the last decade, and Sandusky having access to practices (with his 2nd mile kids, no less), let along all the other things you'll probably never hear about. He's toxic, and the trials for their administrators are coming up soon, as well as more civil suits and the Clery violations report, so it could have something to do with it. Frankly, it is unconscionable that he and Larry Johnson were ever retained.

many you are a hater

i would like to see SU invest a lot of those basketball $$$ into ways that football can gain better recruits however.......

traditionally player development has been one of our strong points and its a good alternative considering that we usually get the last pickings recruiting wise.

(12-15-2013 09:23 PM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  He was one of the 2 hold overs from the old staff.
Not sure why he was told to move on now.

I think that it's a combination of 3 reasons:
1. Personality differences between him and O'Brien
2. Apparently he was starting to have trouble relating to recruits (this might be a big deal at PSU, but it's not much of a problem for SU, given our other coaches)
3. The move from a 4-3 to a 5-2-4 defense (He is a 4-3 guy)

None of those are problems for SU, though.

(12-15-2013 10:35 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(12-15-2013 09:46 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(12-15-2013 09:23 PM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  He was one of the 2 hold overs from the old staff.
Not sure why he was told to move on now.

He's been at PSU since 2001, so he was there during the incident McQueary viewed, all the subsequent coverup and rumors and innuendo flowing around creepy valley the last decade, and Sandusky having access to practices (with his 2nd mile kids, no less), let along all the other things you'll probably never hear about. He's toxic, and the trials for their administrators are coming up soon, as well as more civil suits and the Clery violations report, so it could have something to do with it. Frankly, it is unconscionable that he and Larry Johnson were ever retained.

many you are a hater

If that means delivering the truth, so be it.

(12-15-2013 08:45 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  He is a great LB coach and well-respected by HS coaches in PA and Maryland. He also has Midwestern connections (he was DC at NW back in the day and coached at PSU in the B1G for forever).

If HCSS plays a large role in the defense, his play calling won't matter that much (not that I think that it would be bed if it did), but his training/coaching/player development would be HUGE. He would also add a TON of credibility with HS coaches. IMO, he would be great for recruiting. HCSS and our OC have the passion to sell to kids, and RV has the experience to sell to their parents and HS coaches, and that is a perfect combination.

**For anyone that doesn't know, I think O'Brien fired him last week due to artistic differences (PSU is transitioning to a 5-2-4)**

I think it's more than "artistic differences". I think O'Brien wants a more aggressive defense rather than a reactive one. And I think the tension between O'Brien and Vandy would be no different than between Shafer and Vandy.

I'd love to have Vandy for recruiting purposes, but just don't see it happening.

Cheers,
Neil

(12-16-2013 12:28 AM)omniorange Wrote:  

(12-15-2013 08:45 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  He is a great LB coach and well-respected by HS coaches in PA and Maryland. He also has Midwestern connections (he was DC at NW back in the day and coached at PSU in the B1G for forever).

If HCSS plays a large role in the defense, his play calling won't matter that much (not that I think that it would be bed if it did), but his training/coaching/player development would be HUGE. He would also add a TON of credibility with HS coaches. IMO, he would be great for recruiting. HCSS and our OC have the passion to sell to kids, and RV has the experience to sell to their parents and HS coaches, and that is a perfect combination.

**For anyone that doesn't know, I think O'Brien fired him last week due to artistic differences (PSU is transitioning to a 5-2-4)**

I think it's more than "artistic differences". I think O'Brien wants a more aggressive defense rather than a reactive one. And I think the tension between O'Brien and Vandy would be no different than between Shafer and Vandy.

I'd love to have Vandy for recruiting purposes, but just don't see it happening.

Cheers,
Neil

O'Brien may not even be there next year. Reworked his contract in June for easier NFL out. He does not appear to be in it for the long haul.

Syracuse isn't changing staff this year, they all did a great job to get this team to 6-6

(12-16-2013 02:25 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  Syracuse isn't changing staff this year, they all did a great job to get this team to 6-6

I'd say it was competent job overall, rather than a great one.

Cheers,
Neil

It might be a good idea for Syracuse to hire a respected, experienced coach like Vanderlinden. From his childish sideline antics and lack of discipline of his team it's obvious Shafer needs adult supervision.

(12-16-2013 09:18 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  It might be a good idea for Syracuse to hire a respected, experienced coach like Vanderlinden. From his childish sideline antics and lack of discipline of his team it's obvious Shafer needs adult supervision.

Yes, you are so right. It is a terrible thing that a fb coach in the heat of the moment says a couple of swear words off camera, or so he thinks. Yes he needs adult supervision alright.

I take it that you think that's a lot worse than Dabo Swinney driving 63 miles per hour in a 35 mile per hour zone and endangering the lives of other drivers as well as pedestrians, all because he was late for an radio interview. Then after being pulled over and being issued a speeding ticket causes the officer to get fired for having the nerve to give the GREAT AND ALL POWERFUL DABO SWINNEY a speeding ticket. Obviously, Dabo exaggerated the situation as the chief viewed video of the traffic stop and said the officer acted professionally. Clearly, Dabo Swinney is the very representation of class and respect and honor and dignity:

“Chief Gregory informed me that Mr. Dabo Swinney called him at his residence about 9 p.m. the night of the traffic stop,” McClatchy said. “He also informed me that Mr. Dabo Swinney stated he was displeased with the way I handled the traffic stop and that I acted unprofessionally.”

Dabo Swinney Gets Officer Fired

(12-16-2013 02:25 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  Syracuse isn't changing staff this year, they all did a great job to get this team to 6-6

I vehemently disagree. I think that there were obvious signs of nepotism/late hires. Furthermore, I think that our DC is a shining example. I'm pretty sure that the season panned out because HCSS took a more active role in the defense in the second half of the season because our DC clearly wasn't getting it done. Don't get me wrong, there were others. He's just the first that jumps to mind.

(12-16-2013 11:02 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(12-16-2013 09:18 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  It might be a good idea for Syracuse to hire a respected, experienced coach like Vanderlinden. From his childish sideline antics and lack of discipline of his team it's obvious Shafer needs adult supervision.

Yes, you are so right. It is a terrible thing that a fb coach in the heat of the moment says a couple of swear words off camera, or so he thinks. Yes he needs adult supervision alright.

I take it that you think that's a lot worse than Dabo Swinney driving 63 miles per hour in a 35 mile per hour zone and endangering the lives of other drivers as well as pedestrians, all because he was late for an radio interview. Then after being pulled over and being issued a speeding ticket causes the officer to get fired for having the nerve to give the GREAT AND ALL POWERFUL DABO SWINNEY a speeding ticket. Obviously, Dabo exaggerated the situation as the chief viewed video of the traffic stop and said the officer acted professionally. Clearly, Dabo Swinney is the very representation of class and respect and honor and dignity:

“Chief Gregory informed me that Mr. Dabo Swinney called him at his residence about 9 p.m. the night of the traffic stop,” McClatchy said. “He also informed me that Mr. Dabo Swinney stated he was displeased with the way I handled the traffic stop and that I acted unprofessionally.”

Dabo Swinney Gets Officer Fired

Oh, you mean the South Carolina fan who later dropped the wrongful termination lawsuit after his South Carolina fan lawyer determined they had got all the publicity they could out of a case they had no chance in hell of winning?

As for the "putting other drivers and pedestrians at risk" BS, it's a four lane highway at the very edge of a town of 3100. About the only reason the speed limit drops there (and drops quickly I might add) is for Pickens PD to write tickets.

http://www.speedtrap.org/city/28718/Pickens

It's about the only way a city of 3100 can afford a police dept with a full time staff of 15.

(12-17-2013 09:10 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-16-2013 11:02 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(12-16-2013 09:18 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  It might be a good idea for Syracuse to hire a respected, experienced coach like Vanderlinden. From his childish sideline antics and lack of discipline of his team it's obvious Shafer needs adult supervision.

Yes, you are so right. It is a terrible thing that a fb coach in the heat of the moment says a couple of swear words off camera, or so he thinks. Yes he needs adult supervision alright.

I take it that you think that's a lot worse than Dabo Swinney driving 63 miles per hour in a 35 mile per hour zone and endangering the lives of other drivers as well as pedestrians, all because he was late for an radio interview. Then after being pulled over and being issued a speeding ticket causes the officer to get fired for having the nerve to give the GREAT AND ALL POWERFUL DABO SWINNEY a speeding ticket. Obviously, Dabo exaggerated the situation as the chief viewed video of the traffic stop and said the officer acted professionally. Clearly, Dabo Swinney is the very representation of class and respect and honor and dignity:

“Chief Gregory informed me that Mr. Dabo Swinney called him at his residence about 9 p.m. the night of the traffic stop,” McClatchy said. “He also informed me that Mr. Dabo Swinney stated he was displeased with the way I handled the traffic stop and that I acted unprofessionally.”

Dabo Swinney Gets Officer Fired

Oh, you mean the South Carolina fan who later dropped the wrongful termination lawsuit after his South Carolina fan lawyer determined they had got all the publicity they could out of a case they had no chance in hell of winning?

As for the "putting other drivers and pedestrians at risk" BS, it's a four lane highway at the very edge of a town of 3100. About the only reason the speed limit drops there (and drops quickly I might add) is for Pickens PD to write tickets.

http://www.speedtrap.org/city/28718/Pickens

It's about the only way a city of 3100 can afford a police dept with a full time staff of 15.

Just because the guy dropped the case doesn't mean that these things didn't happen. The lesson here is, don't question other coaches character when your coach has major character issues of his own.

(12-16-2013 11:05 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(12-16-2013 02:25 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  Syracuse isn't changing staff this year, they all did a great job to get this team to 6-6

I vehemently disagree. I think that there were obvious signs of nepotism/late hires. Furthermore, I think that our DC is a shining example. I'm pretty sure that the season panned out because HCSS took a more active role in the defense in the second half of the season because our DC clearly wasn't getting it done. Don't get me wrong, there were others. He's just the first that jumps to mind.

this may be true but if they win there bowl game and finish 7-6 I doubt anyone leaves unless its there choice